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mikeveal

4,584 posts

251 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
and do the work to the ordinary standard.
Or get it in writing that they have asked you to cut corners and are doing so against your advice.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Yup.

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Vaud said:
The head is always a member of the board of governors. Copy in the chair of the board.
Normally and usually yes they are, but the head teacher can decline to be a member of the GB.

Let's have accuracy please.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Or pedantry. In thirty years of working with schools I have never encountered one, state or private, that does not have the head teacher on its governing body.

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

136 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
In thirty years of working with schools I have never encountered one, state or private, that does not have the head teacher on its governing body.
Anecdotes are not data.

wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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FPWM, but I have a hunch that my experience might be repeatable, and at least my sample size is more than one.

Pica-Pica

13,852 posts

85 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Vaud said:
Pica-Pica said:
wjwren said:
Ive looked on their website and she is on the board of Governors, though their is a main principle Governor, so will copy him in.
But she would only be elected as a staff governor by other staff.
Staff members of the Governors are elected by staff.

The headteacher is a member of the governing body by virtue of their office, though they can resign.
But the teacher has no over-riding special powers by being on the governing body.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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That is true, but the Governors may give various negotiating powers to the head. The head is often in effect CEO and CFO at once. It would be unusual, however for a head to be authorised to enter bag of fag packet deals with somebody's mate's pal's girlfriend's neighbour. Not that the head teacher being off on a frolic will likely aid the OP much. It might have some embarrassment value for negotiating a settlement.

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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In a secondary school there is usually aBursar who manages the financial transactions.

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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The Chair of the Governing body is usually in daily contact with the head teacher.

essayer

9,085 posts

195 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
In a secondary school there is usually aBursar who manages the financial transactions.
SantaBarbara said:
The Chair of the Governing body is usually in daily contact with the head teacher.
Good to know, thanks!
Is this directly cribbed from Google Books, typos and all? Plenty of hits on there for “aBursar”

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Private schools usually have Bursars (often retired military or naval officers with MBAs, for some reason), state schools often don't. In my experience, contact between head and governors varies from school to school. I am currently dealing with a school where the governing body is weak and does not monitor the head teacher much at all. This is causing various shenanigans.

KevinCamaroSS

11,651 posts

281 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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santabarbarabot said:
Usual bot stuff
The Governor's Handbook states that for a State Maintained School (not an academy) the Headteacher may elect not to be a member of the governing board. This is not mentioned for academies or multi-academy trusts.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

The Chair of Governors will have as much contact with the headteacher as they deem necessary. Every day is extremely unlikely, most governors have everyday jobs, in my experience (as a governor) most chairs will meet with the head on average once a week.

Edited to add the school must have a finance manager who may be known as a bursar, but likely not.

wjwren

Original Poster:

4,484 posts

136 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Thanks Breadvan for your kind offer, I will draft something up this week and PM it over to you. Much appreciated.


Foliage

3,861 posts

123 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Just send a letter back saying "you advised that the cables should be protected, but didn't the school didn't want the additional so decided against that course of action and subsequently you aren't liable."

I cant see how you are liable for something you never did and wasn't paid for. Your remit was to install CCTV, cable protection was never fitted and never paid for, it wasn't part of the job.

Vaud

50,644 posts

156 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Pica-Pica said:
But the teacher has no over-riding special powers by being on the governing body.
I know. I was just highlighting that they were a member by default.

wjwren

Original Poster:

4,484 posts

136 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Just writing this now. writers block. Bit stumped on how brief to be or not to be.

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Vaud said:
I know. I was just highlighting that they were a member by default.
Teacher governor or perhaps they call them Staff governor now are usually elected by the staff of the school. They are separate to the head teacher eligibility to be on the GB.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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wjwren said:
Just writing this now. writers block. Bit stumped on how brief to be or not to be.
Short is almost always best. Send me your draft. Or send me a stream of consciousness spiel (not of Molly Bloom length, please) and I will bang you out a short letter. My work diary has gone dead, so why not?

Vaud

50,644 posts

156 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
Vaud said:
I know. I was just highlighting that they were a member by default.
Teacher governor or perhaps they call them Staff governor now are usually elected by the staff of the school. They are separate to the head teacher eligibility to be on the GB.
I know. That was not my point.