Illegal for landlord to refuse on food preference?

[FredClogs]

I'll take the smell of roasted turmeric, cumin and coriander over the faint whiff boot polish and collar starch anyday, know what I mean?

[Stickyfinger]

FredClogs said:

I'll take the smell of roasted turmeric, cumin and coriander over the faint whiff boot polish and collar starch anyday, know what I mean?

Then you Sir can buy the house because you will not need to re-plaster, throw away anything, re-paint or lift floorboards......enjoy

[TooMany2cvs]

cmaguire said:

You do appreciate that I had no part in creating any stereotypes, they existed long before I came along. And merely referring to them does not a racist make.

Stereotypes which get ignored die out.

And there's a very big difference between referring to them, and perpetuating them by continually reinforcing them.

[cmaguire]

Perhaps you need to pay more attention to those actually doing the reinforcing rather than the reporting. You appear to confuse the two.

[ferrariF50lover]

cmaguire said:

I rented a property to some Pakistanis once...

I wouldn't rent to similar ethnic backgrounds again.

cmaguire said:

I'll judge everyone I deal with directly on their own merits.

Which is it?

[TooMany2cvs]

ferrariF50lover said:

cmaguire said:

I rented a property to some Pakistanis once...

I wouldn't rent to similar ethnic backgrounds again.

cmaguire said:

I'll judge everyone I deal with directly on their own merits.

Which is it?

Obviously, all he needs to know about their "merits" is that they're Pakistani.

[cmaguire]

ferrariF50lover said:

cmaguire said:

I rented a property to some Pakistanis once...

I wouldn't rent to similar ethnic backgrounds again.

cmaguire said:

I'll judge everyone I deal with directly on their own merits.

Which is it?

Both I expect.

I really don't understand what is hard to grasp here.
Until I deal directly with, and have experience of an individual, then their merits are unknown.

So unless I know personally a prospective tenant, which is highly unlikely, then I will consider any correspondence from the managing agents with consistency.
Thankfully, the location is such that the only property I rent out now hasn't given rise to any need as of yet.

[TooMany2cvs]

cmaguire said:

ferrariF50lover said:

cmaguire said:

I rented a property to some Pakistanis once...

I wouldn't rent to similar ethnic backgrounds again.

cmaguire said:

I'll judge everyone I deal with directly on their own merits.

Which is it?

Both I expect.

I really don't understand what is hard to grasp here.
Until I deal directly with, and have experience of an individual, then their merits are unknown.

So unless I know personally a prospective tenant, which is highly unlikely, then I will consider any correspondence from the managing agents with consistency.

Except you aren't, are you? You're changing the treatment based on one factor, and one factor alone - the prospective tenant's ethnicity.

And that's been explicitly illegal for over half a century.

[Stickyfinger]

TooMany2cvs said:

Except you aren't, are you? You're changing the treatment based on one factor, and one factor alone - the prospective tenant's ethnicity.

And that's been explicitly illegal for over half a century.

How would you settle the costs of the remedial works after 4 years of occupancy 2Cv ?

Do you accept that Young Male Drivers are a higher insurance risk than "other groups" ?
Do you accept that there is a higher insurance rate in certain post codes than others and this effects costs ?

We use these single calculations every day in business life, so why not in letting houses.
How do you regard : there is a higher chance that a person/family from particular ethnic group would have a higher % likelihood of cooking in a particular way/with particular products that would cause the "long term damage" that is being discussed ?

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 12th November 11:48

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 12th November 12:02

[cmaguire]

Stickyfinger said:

How would you settle the costs of the remedial works after 4 years of occupancy 2Cv ?

Without a ladder to get down from his pedestal he'd probably injure himself trying.

[TooMany2cvs]

Stickyfinger said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Except you aren't, are you? You're changing the treatment based on one factor, and one factor alone - the prospective tenant's ethnicity.

And that's been explicitly illegal for over half a century.

How would you settle the costs of the remedial works after 4 years of occupancy 2Cv ?

In the exact same way as any other remedial costs from any other tenant who'd caused damage above normal wear and tear.

Deposit, then a court claim. It's really not a hard concept.

It's also not a concept that's even remotely related to a tenant's ethnicity, no matter how much you try to blur the line to mask the reality.

[cmaguire]

TooMany2cvs said:

Except you aren't, are you? You're changing the treatment based on one factor, and one factor alone - the prospective tenant's ethnicity.

And that's been explicitly illegal for over half a century.

You read what you want to read.

If that makes you feel better about yourself then knock yourself out.

[TooMany2cvs]

cmaguire said:

You read what you want to read.

I'll stick with reading what you typed, ta.

You wouldn't ever rent to some people, solely because of their ethnicity.

cmaguire said:

I rented a property to some Pakistanis once...

I wouldn't rent to similar ethnic backgrounds again.

You directly contradicted yourself, by saying you treated everybody on their merits - and equally when those merits were as yet unknown - and are now trying to pretend you didn't.

[Stickyfinger]

TooMany2cvs said:

In the exact same way as any other remedial costs from any other tenant who'd caused damage above normal wear and tear.

Deposit, then a court claim. It's really not a hard concept.

It's also not a concept that's even remotely related to a tenant's ethnicity, no matter how much you try to blur the line to mask the reality.

So cooking/roasting raw spices is not remotely related to ethnicity.................lol, I had best tell that to all the specialist restaurants trading on their Ethnic Identity.

Answer the other questions please

[ferrariF50lover]

cmaguire said:

Both I expect.

I really don't understand what is hard to grasp here.

Nothing here is hard to grasp. You're a racist. You would discriminate against people based on their race. For the avoidance of doubt, refusing to rent your property to 'Pakistani' people is discriminatory. Pakistani is a race. The word for that type of behaviour is 'racism'. You aren't escaping this one, I'm afraid.

cmaguire said:

Until I deal directly with, and have experience of an individual, then their merits are unknown.

But you won't rent to 'Pakistanis'. Regardless of their merits being known or unknown, your prejudice against 'Pakistani' people means you won't rent to them. This is because you are a racist.

cmaguire said:

So unless I know personally a prospective tenant, which is highly unlikely, then I will consider any correspondence from the managing agents with consistency.

Except this is counter to your claim that, "I won't rent my home to Pakistanis". If the managing agents send you two identical sets of application documents for prospective tenants, you, by your own admission, will reject out of hand the one which belongs to the Pakistani people.

You had one bad experience with one Pakistani family. I absolutely guarantee you've had at leadt as much trouble from a white British family (and if you haven't, you know someone who has). Why aren't you refusing to deal with white British people based on the same 'logic'?

Don't bother, we all know why. The real question is why so many racists don't have the bottle to admit to being racists, despite being so bold in their racist actions.

[cmaguire]

TooMany2cvs said:

cmaguire said:

You read what you want to read.

I'll stick with reading what you typed, ta.

You wouldn't ever rent to some people, solely because of their ethnicity.

cmaguire said:

I rented a property to some Pakistanis once...

I wouldn't rent to similar ethnic backgrounds again.

You directly contradicted yourself, by saying you treated everybody on their merits - and equally when those merits were as yet unknown - and are now trying to pretend you didn't.

Usual story here then, petty analyzing to score points when the general meaning should be perfectly clear from this and my other posts.

The need to caveat everything to avoid this nonsense is tiresome.

I wouldn't rent to similar ethnic backgrounds again without prior knowledge of the applicants good character.
How's that?

Now how about you stop being pedantic to facilitate your own moralistic self-righteousness?
Pragmatism works for me.

[TooMany2cvs]

cmaguire said:

...when the general meaning should be perfectly clear from this and my other posts.

Oh, it is.

[cmaguire]

ferrariF50lover said:

cmaguire said:

Both I expect.

I really don't understand what is hard to grasp here.

Nothing here is hard to grasp. You're a racist. You would discriminate against people based on their race. For the avoidance of doubt, refusing to rent your property to 'Pakistani' people is discriminatory. Pakistani is a race. The word for that type of behaviour is 'racism'. You aren't escaping this one, I'm afraid.

cmaguire said:

Until I deal directly with, and have experience of an individual, then their merits are unknown.

But you won't rent to 'Pakistanis'. Regardless of their merits being known or unknown, your prejudice against 'Pakistani' people means you won't rent to them. This is because you are a racist.

cmaguire said:

So unless I know personally a prospective tenant, which is highly unlikely, then I will consider any correspondence from the managing agents with consistency.

Except this is counter to your claim that, "I won't rent my home to Pakistanis". If the managing agents send you two identical sets of application documents for prospective tenants, you, by your own admission, will reject out of hand the one which belongs to the Pakistani people.

You had one bad experience with one Pakistani family. I absolutely guarantee you've had at leadt as much trouble from a white British family (and if you haven't, you know someone who has). Why aren't you refusing to deal with white British people based on the same 'logic'?

Don't bother, we all know why. The real question is why so many racists don't have the bottle to admit to being racists, despite being so bold in their racist actions.

Hold on, Mr.Perfect has arrived.

You're wasting your time, I've nothing to escape from bar some wild inferences some seem to have drawn from my posts.
Your World, not mine.

You should try taking yourself less seriously.
Nobody really cares that much.

[cmaguire]

TooMany2cvs said:

cmaguire said:

...when the general meaning should be perfectly clear from this and my other posts.

Oh, it is.

You're still at it then.

[anonymous-user]

To answer a point above about insurance premiums, those are based on risk factors and not on characteristics protected by statute.
Discrimination is not unlawful unless based on a protected characteristic. National and ethnic origins are protected characteristics (grouped together under the term "racial grounds").

Views such as those expressed by cmaguire used to be commonplace, and Parliament legislated to prohibit certain forms of discrimination.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 12th November 15:34