Tractor pushes parked cars out of the way

[Never you mind]

The simple solution here and one that I think will probably happen in the not too distant future is that that road will be a NO PARKING at all times type of affair.

[TooMany2cvs]

Never you mind said:

The simple solution here and one that I think will probably happen in the not too distant future is that that road will be a NO PARKING at all times type of affair.

...and we're back to the enforcement question.

The parking in question was already illegal, just that nobody was enforcing it.

[James TiT]

There were no signs to clarify the parking regulations were there?

[MKnight702]

Red Devil said:

The result I would like to see is that the vehicle damage is dealt with through insurance. I don't believe a criminal prosecution will achieve anything long term.

I would love to see this go to court, however, I would like to see the ignorant parking moron (the one who parked second) in the dock not the tractor driver.

Just deserts were served IMO, although it was unfortunate for the driver who parked up first and presumably had left enough space for other road users before the second idiot arrived and decided that shortening their walk was more important than anyone else's livelihood. I would like for the insurance of the parking idiot to pay for all 3 parties damage, can sheep claim for whiplash?

[SonicShadow]

James TiT said:

There were no signs to clarify the parking regulations were there?

Signage isn't required.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

SpeckledJim said:

JimSuperSix said:

Just for clarity - here are the 2 sensible alternatives :
1. don't drive your tractor somewhere you can't get out of in the first place.

How does a farmer do any work at all, playing by that rule, given he can't know if there are morons around the corner

I think Jim's suggesting he walks all up and down any lane before driving down it. Obviously, that doesn't take into account anybody that parks badly the second after he's started the mile plus walk back, but...

I dunno, perhaps use his eyes before driving the tractor into a space that's too small for it?

[FiF]

Red Devil said:

JimSuperSix said:

Red Devil said:

too much stuff

I challenged you to come up with a pragmatic/practical solution to the problem which you have carefully avoided doing

It's not really my fault that you can't read - I've listed the options many times , I provided page numbers even so you don't have to search too far , Efbe also listed the options , they're on the previous page, and I added #5 which is the obvious one most people (with a brain and no axe to grind) would have done.

The problem for you is that I can read. You have said:

• Sit there until the car drivers return
• Call the police and wait for their attendance
• Reverse
• Walk away
• Float away on a balloon
• Don't drive your tractor somewhere you can't get out of in the first place.

Efbe listed options but, unlike you, commented on why they might not work.
[b]I'm not the only poster who has explained why your options have one (or more) of the following characteristics.

• Impractical
• Won't solve the actual problem on the ground
• Are a counsel of perfection which bears little relation to reality in this case[/b]

I have no axe to grind nor any dog in this fight. I don't get my car damaged when I visit the countryside because I don't park like a head.
If this incident makes those who do and obstruct narrow rural roads think about and modify their actions that will be a very positive result.

Seconded, doubled in spades.

Some people just don't think or perhaps don't care. To expand on my little earlier rant about forestry access blocked by little madams leaving horseboxes. If it's blocking the movement of such as harvesters or forwarders, frankly it's no big deal, that forestry kit is sufficiently manoeuvrable and capable off road that they can go most places even though well over 3m wide. But the logging trucks used for transport to the mill, well they are essentially big eff off trucks with off road tyres at best. There isn't room for this to turn round when blocked, the access wasn't blocked on arrival, now it is. Lost time from a driver's legally restricted hours, and even if he manages to reverse it to a junction where he won't get stuck and find another exit route .that's at least one return trip lost. But hey, taking your pet for a free ride in the woods, now that's important above all else, apparently. Even so don't get a skid to shift the box out of the way as that creates more trouble. Hope this incident gets people to think a little bit about where they dump their vehicles, this pretty bucolic countryside is essentially one very important and busy factory.

[anonymous-user]

Red Devil said:

JimSuperSix said:

Red Devil said:

too much stuff

I challenged you to come up with a pragmatic/practical solution to the problem which you have carefully avoided doing

It's not really my fault that you can't read - I've listed the options many times , I provided page numbers even so you don't have to search too far , Efbe also listed the options , they're on the previous page, and I added #5 which is the obvious one most people (with a brain and no axe to grind) would have done.

The problem for you is that I can read. You have said:

• Sit there until the car drivers return
• Call the police and wait for their attendance
• Reverse
• Walk away
• Float away on a balloon
• Don't drive your tractor somewhere you can't get out of in the first place.

Efbe listed options but, unlike you, commented on why they might not work.
I'm not the only poster who has explained why your options have one (or more) of the following characteristics.

• Impractical
• Won't solve the actual problem on the ground
• Are a counsel of perfection which bears little relation to reality in this case

I have no axe to grind nor any dog in this fight. I don't get my car damaged when I visit the countryside because I don't park like a head.
If this incident makes those who do and obstruct narrow rural roads think about and modify their actions that will be a very positive result.

I don't think being "impractical" has much impact on whether it's legal?

[TooMany2cvs]

JimSuperSix said:

I dunno, perhaps use his eyes before driving the tractor into a space that's too small for it?

And we're back to him sitting there for hours on end.

[Ayahuasca]

Riley Blue said:

The Great Gable Remembrance Walk has been held each year for quite some time.

The car parkers will definitely remember this one.

[Who_Goes_Blue]

I`ve not read the entire thread, but has anyone suggested that the farmer shouldn't have sheep in the first place. Especially if he knows the road gets blocked

[mcdjl]

JimSuperSix said:

Red Devil said:

The problem for you is that I can read. You have said:

• Sit there until the car drivers return
• Call the police and wait for their attendance
• Reverse
• Walk away
• Float away on a balloon
• Don't drive your tractor somewhere you can't get out of in the first place.

Efbe listed options but, unlike you, commented on why they might not work.
I'm not the only poster who has explained why your options have one (or more) of the following characteristics.

• Impractical
• Won't solve the actual problem on the ground
• Are a counsel of perfection which bears little relation to reality in this case

I have no axe to grind nor any dog in this fight. I don't get my car damaged when I visit the countryside because I don't park like a head.
If this incident makes those who do and obstruct narrow rural roads think about and modify their actions that will be a very positive result.

I don't think being "impractical" has much impact on whether it's legal?

Running through those options in order:
1 is illegal (causing obstruction)
2 is illegal and impractical (police will be blocked by obstruction and the nearest station is 40 mins away, if the cops aren't all at a service.
3 will result in the same as driving forward
4 illegal
5 helicopter? Airlander is broken right now.
6 Down a road to the farm? It was only as he came round the last corner (beyond which there are parked cars ) that he will have seen the doubled cars and that he wouldn't fit through.
So none of those options are any use.

[TooMany2cvs]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

I`ve not read the entire thread, but has anyone suggested that the farmer shouldn't have sheep in the first place. Especially if he knows the road gets blocked

Not yet, but we've got close a few times.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

I dunno, perhaps use his eyes before driving the tractor into a space that's too small for it?

And we're back to him sitting there for hours on end.

Well really that's the only sensible thing to do. Call the police and wait. Whether he likes it or not is irrelevant.

[Ayahuasca]

What I want to know is, where were those gimlet-eyed protectors who sleep with one ear open?

With their 4x4 skills, walkie-talkies and specialist winching equipment they could have cleared the road in no time.

And they would have killed their own mothers to be involved in something like this.

[Riley Blue]

Ayahuasca said:

Riley Blue said:

The Great Gable Remembrance Walk has been held each year for quite some time.

The car parkers will definitely remember this one.

As, I suspect, will the farmer.

[anonymous-user]

mcdjl said:

1 is illegal (causing obstruction)
2 is illegal and impractical (police will be blocked by obstruction and the nearest station is 40 mins away, if the cops aren't all at a service.
3 will result in the same as driving forward
4 illegal
5 helicopter? Airlander is broken right now.
6 Down a road to the farm? It was only as he came round the last corner (beyond which there are parked cars ) that he will have seen the doubled cars and that he wouldn't fit through.
So none of those options are any use.

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

[Who_Goes_Blue]

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

And if the cars hadn't parked illegally....

[James TiT]

What do you imagine the police control room would have said to the farmer if he had been able to get through?

They may have said, we will get there tomorrow.

[anonymous-user]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

And if the cars hadn't parked illegally....

That just makes it worse - we don't know that all cars were parked illegally anyway - was the first car there parked illegally? Probably not, as at that point the road would not have been obstructed even for his tractor. Maybe one of the cars damaged was the first one there? Did that person therefore deserve that?