Tractor pushes parked cars out of the way

[anonymous-user]

James TiT said:

What do you imagine the police control room would have said to the farmer if he had been able to get through?

They may have said, we will get there tomorrow.

Irrelevant - police response time doesn't make his actions legally or morally correct.

[InitialDave]

Didn't someone point out earlier in the thread that damage that happens as a result of taking the only available course of action is not necessarily illegal? So it's a question of how necessary it was to get through?

Depends whether people are right about the animal movement/welfare stuff I suppose. Not really my field.

[Who_Goes_Blue]

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

And if the cars hadn't parked illegally....

That just makes it worse - we don't know that all cars were parked illegally anyway - was the first car there parked illegally? Probably not, as at that point the road would not have been obstructed even for his tractor. Maybe one of the cars damaged was the first one there? Did that person therefore deserve that?

Either way the cars got what they deserved, maybe next time they wont park like muppets

[anonymous-user]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

And if the cars hadn't parked illegally....

That just makes it worse - we don't know that all cars were parked illegally anyway - was the first car there parked illegally? Probably not, as at that point the road would not have been obstructed even for his tractor. Maybe one of the cars damaged was the first one there? Did that person therefore deserve that?

Either way the cars got what they deserved, maybe next time they wont park like muppets

And there's the real reason behind the people applauding the farmer , nasty
Do you think the first person there got what they deserved for parking to the side of an empty road?

[TooMany2cvs]

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

It's certainly "less illegal" (where "less" = "not at all") than blocking the road in the first place - and the legislation proving it has been posted here.

[Who_Goes_Blue]

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

And if the cars hadn't parked illegally....

That just makes it worse - we don't know that all cars were parked illegally anyway - was the first car there parked illegally? Probably not, as at that point the road would not have been obstructed even for his tractor. Maybe one of the cars damaged was the first one there? Did that person therefore deserve that?

Either way the cars got what they deserved, maybe next time they wont park like muppets

And there's the real reason behind the people applauding the farmer , nasty
Do you think the first person there got what they deserved for parking to the side of an empty road?

Instead of the car park nearby? Yes, penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes the lot of them

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

It's certainly "less illegal" (where "less" = "not at all") than blocking the road in the first place - and the legislation proving it has been posted here.

Unfortunately it doesn't prove it - it would depend entirely upon the complete circumstances, which you and I don't know.

[anonymous-user]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

And if the cars hadn't parked illegally....

That just makes it worse - we don't know that all cars were parked illegally anyway - was the first car there parked illegally? Probably not, as at that point the road would not have been obstructed even for his tractor. Maybe one of the cars damaged was the first one there? Did that person therefore deserve that?

Either way the cars got what they deserved, maybe next time they wont park like muppets

And there's the real reason behind the people applauding the farmer , nasty
Do you think the first person there got what they deserved for parking to the side of an empty road?

Instead of the car park nearby? Yes, penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes the lot of them

Ah well, at least you are honest in your vindictiveness

[James TiT]

JimSuperSix said:

Irrelevant - police response time doesn't make his actions legally or morally correct.

Not so

It is very relevant that the police would not have done much if they had been able to get there in quick time.

[Who_Goes_Blue]

JimSuperSix said:

Ah well, at least you are honest in your vindictiveness

Better than being on the 'side' of penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes

[TooMany2cvs]

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

It's certainly "less illegal" (where "less" = "not at all") than blocking the road in the first place - and the legislation proving it has been posted here.

Unfortunately it doesn't prove it - it would depend entirely upon the complete circumstances, which you and I don't know.

You're right that the ultimate decision would be in the hands of a judge, in the massively unlikely event that the CPS thought it worth prosecuting.

But we can certainly take a good guess.

[Who_Goes_Blue]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

It's certainly "less illegal" (where "less" = "not at all") than blocking the road in the first place - and the legislation proving it has been posted here.

Unfortunately it doesn't prove it - it would depend entirely upon the complete circumstances, which you and I don't know.

You're right that the ultimate decision would be in the hands of a judge, in the massively unlikely event that the CPS thought it worth prosecuting.

But we can certainly take a good guess.

Mr CVs thats very out of character, whats with the new found pragmatism?

[anonymous-user]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

It's certainly "less illegal" (where "less" = "not at all") than blocking the road in the first place - and the legislation proving it has been posted here.

Unfortunately it doesn't prove it - it would depend entirely upon the complete circumstances, which you and I don't know.

You're right that the ultimate decision would be in the hands of a judge, in the massively unlikely event that the CPS thought it worth prosecuting.

But we can certainly take a good guess.

Mr CVs thats very out of character, whats with the new found pragmatism?

I don't think i would call your guesses good, you usually talk utter bks

[anonymous-user]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Ah well, at least you are honest in your vindictiveness

Better than being on the 'side' of penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes

If you say so chap. Some of us aren't as silly as you and can see the broader picture.

[mcdjl]

JimSuperSix said:

mcdjl said:

1 is illegal (causing obstruction)
2 is illegal and impractical (police will be blocked by obstruction and the nearest station is 40 mins away, if the cops aren't all at a service.
3 will result in the same as driving forward
4 illegal
5 helicopter? Airlander is broken right now.
6 Down a road to the farm? It was only as he came round the last corner (beyond which there are parked cars ) that he will have seen the doubled cars and that he wouldn't fit through.
So none of those options are any use.

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

My point is that driving through opens up teh debate (did he have a lawful excuse to damage the cars...possibly). It also allowed him to get on with what he needed to do- which no other option did.

[Efbe]

mcdjl said:

JimSuperSix said:

mcdjl said:

1 is illegal (causing obstruction)
2 is illegal and impractical (police will be blocked by obstruction and the nearest station is 40 mins away, if the cops aren't all at a service.
3 will result in the same as driving forward
4 illegal
5 helicopter? Airlander is broken right now.
6 Down a road to the farm? It was only as he came round the last corner (beyond which there are parked cars ) that he will have seen the doubled cars and that he wouldn't fit through.
So none of those options are any use.

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

My point is that driving through opens up teh debate (did he have a lawful excuse to damage the cars...possibly). It also allowed him to get on with what he needed to do- which no other option did.

Jim

I already posted links to the mobile phone coverage checkers for that area. There is no coverage there. I don't think calling the police was an option.

[anonymous-user]

Efbe said:

mcdjl said:

JimSuperSix said:

mcdjl said:

1 is illegal (causing obstruction)
2 is illegal and impractical (police will be blocked by obstruction and the nearest station is 40 mins away, if the cops aren't all at a service.
3 will result in the same as driving forward
4 illegal
5 helicopter? Airlander is broken right now.
6 Down a road to the farm? It was only as he came round the last corner (beyond which there are parked cars ) that he will have seen the doubled cars and that he wouldn't fit through.
So none of those options are any use.

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

My point is that driving through opens up teh debate (did he have a lawful excuse to damage the cars...possibly). It also allowed him to get on with what he needed to do- which no other option did.

Jim

I already posted links to the mobile phone coverage checkers for that area. There is no coverage there. I don't think calling the police was an option.

[James TiT]

In the USA, car bumpers need to be at a standard height to enable other vehicles to push broken down vehicles off the carriage way.

[_dobbo_]

James TiT said:

In the USA, car bumpers need to be at a standard height to enable other vehicles to push broken down vehicles off the carriage way.

Wrong.

[heebeegeetee]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5103495/Po...

Just down the road from us. The parking fees aren't £10, they're £2.50 a day by us, but nearer that business they're £2.00 a day as it's just a little bit further from the city centre.

But people would sooner screw someone's business up to save £2.00.