Tractor pushes parked cars out of the way

[PF62]

mcdjl said:

did he have a lawful excuse to damage the cars...possibly

Of course he didn't.

[Crackie]

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Ah well, at least you are honest in your vindictiveness

Better than being on the 'side' of penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes

If you say so chap. Some of us aren't as silly as you and can see the broader picture.

You just have an opinion Jim, nothing more. It is supercilious, conceited and condescending to claim otherwise. Little different to the sanctimonious drivel from you on the thread so far though.......

[chow pan toon]

heebeegeetee said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5103495/Po...

Just down the road from us. The parking fees aren't £10, they're £2.50 a day by us, but nearer that business they're £2.00 a day as it's just a little bit further from the city centre.

But people would sooner screw someone's business up to save £2.00.

cue people moaning about exhaust and sill damage

[James TiT]

JimSuperSix said:

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

IT was accidental damage nothing more complicated than that.

[PF62]

James TiT said:

IT was accidental damage nothing more complicated than that.

The only way it was accidental is if they didn't know what would happen when they tried to drive past the parked cars.

[Efbe]

JimSuperSix said:

Efbe said:

mcdjl said:

JimSuperSix said:

mcdjl said:

1 is illegal (causing obstruction)
2 is illegal and impractical (police will be blocked by obstruction and the nearest station is 40 mins away, if the cops aren't all at a service.
3 will result in the same as driving forward
4 illegal
5 helicopter? Airlander is broken right now.
6 Down a road to the farm? It was only as he came round the last corner (beyond which there are parked cars ) that he will have seen the doubled cars and that he wouldn't fit through.
So none of those options are any use.

The option of smashing the cars up is illegal too , so whats your point? Do you think smashing cars is somehow "less illegal" or something than calling the police and waiting while blocking the road?

Apparently his farm was a maximum of 500m away. Get out, turn off tractor, walk to farm to call police from landline, wait for them to turn up.

There's only 1 real situation where smashing up cars would be the chosen solution - if this had happened before and the red mist descended, which is more than likely what happened. The first witness statement matches that - drove up, found cars blocking road, thought about it for a few seconds, smashed through cars, hid in farm.

My point is that driving through opens up teh debate (did he have a lawful excuse to damage the cars...possibly). It also allowed him to get on with what he needed to do- which no other option did.

Jim

I already posted links to the mobile phone coverage checkers for that area. There is no coverage there. I don't think calling the police was an option.

A few problems with this.

>Firstly, you can't leave the sheep in the trailer and disappear off. Breaks many rules/laws. Could lose his license to move animals, or look after animals and all kinds of stuff, before the welfare of the sheep are even looked after.

>Secondly, depending on how packed in the sheep are, when a trailer is moving the airflow keeps them cool. Stop the trailer for too long and they will overheat quickly. walking back to the farm, then calling the police then getting back to the trailer is going to take quite a while, then you have to wait for them to come out if they are going to come out, then they will need to get some kind of towing vehicle, that by the looks of the pictures wouldn't be able to extricate the vehicles anyhow.

>Thirdly, this would be blocking the road, doing exactly the thing he would be complaining to the police about.

>Fourthly, I don't know the rules for Arams very well, which is the movement of livestock, but iirc you need to fill in a new form for every movement you do, with times, distances, locations, numbers etc. It all went electronic a few years back, so one of these may need to be filled in again if plans changed. Not something you could do from a tractor.

[PF62]

Efbe said:

A few problems with this.

>Firstly, you can't leave the sheep in the trailer and disappear off. Breaks many rules/laws. Could lose his license to move animals, or look after animals and all kinds of stuff, before the welfare of the sheep are even looked after.

>Secondly, depending on how packed in the sheep are, when a trailer is moving the airflow keeps them cool. Stop the trailer for too long and they will overheat quickly. walking back to the farm, then calling the police then getting back to the trailer is going to take quite a while, then you have to wait for them to come out if they are going to come out, then they will need to get some kind of towing vehicle, that by the looks of the pictures wouldn't be able to extricate the vehicles anyhow.

>Thirdly, this would be blocking the road, doing exactly the thing he would be complaining to the police about.

>Fourthly, I don't know the rules for Arams very well, which is the movement of livestock, but iirc you need to fill in a new form for every movement you do, with times, distances, locations, numbers etc. It all went electronic a few years back, so one of these may need to be filled in again if plans changed. Not something you could do from a tractor.

If, as has been quoted, the farmer lived only a short distance from where the cars were parked, wouldn't they have know this would be a problem and shouldn't they have planned better?

[sunbeam alpine]

There is an amazing level of hypocrisy on PH.

I've lost count of the bad/illegal/untaxed/just plain ugly parking threads on here, where the majority of posters advocate everything from jacking up/towing/damaging the car in question, but when somebody has the balls to do what a lot only dare to suggest, a load of mealy-mouthed hand-wringers come out of the woodwork and whinge.

[Efbe]

PF62 said:

If, as has been quoted, the farmer lived only a short distance from where the cars were parked, wouldn't they have know this would be a problem and shouldn't they have planned better?

He has not done this before, yet has worked this farm for many years. Therefore people parking on both sides at this specific pinchpoint in the road has not been an issue before

There isn't an alternative road.

[Never you mind]

PF62 said:

Efbe said:

A few problems with this.

>Firstly, you can't leave the sheep in the trailer and disappear off. Breaks many rules/laws. Could lose his license to move animals, or look after animals and all kinds of stuff, before the welfare of the sheep are even looked after.

>Secondly, depending on how packed in the sheep are, when a trailer is moving the airflow keeps them cool. Stop the trailer for too long and they will overheat quickly. walking back to the farm, then calling the police then getting back to the trailer is going to take quite a while, then you have to wait for them to come out if they are going to come out, then they will need to get some kind of towing vehicle, that by the looks of the pictures wouldn't be able to extricate the vehicles anyhow.

>Thirdly, this would be blocking the road, doing exactly the thing he would be complaining to the police about.

>Fourthly, I don't know the rules for Arams very well, which is the movement of livestock, but iirc you need to fill in a new form for every movement you do, with times, distances, locations, numbers etc. It all went electronic a few years back, so one of these may need to be filled in again if plans changed. Not something you could do from a tractor.

If, as has been quoted, the farmer lived only a short distance from where the cars were parked, wouldn't they have know this would be a problem and shouldn't they have planned better?

One cannot Plan for the stupidity of other people. Let’s face it only a fkwit would have park like that on a road like that.

[anonymous-user]

Crackie said:

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Ah well, at least you are honest in your vindictiveness

Better than being on the 'side' of penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes

If you say so chap. Some of us aren't as silly as you and can see the broader picture.

You just have an opinion Jim, nothing more. It is supercilious, conceited and condescending to claim otherwise. Little different to the sanctimonious drivel from you on the thread so far though.......

In your opinion of course

[F1Timbo]

Efbe said:

Ok, definite troll.

This has been mentioned many many times, on almost every page of this thread.
I have also pointed out that not all of the walkers were at this event, many were up scafel pike too.

Sincere apologies Efbe - checking back again page 4 is where it first came up, but not mentioned in the last 10 pages, I am guilt of skipping 50 odd pages of debate (my bad! - but hey we are all busy people).

No troll here, just a concerned Petrolhead.
My point was let's leave it to those professionals whose job it is to debate the application of the law, this thread is only about peoples opinions without knowing all of the facts - at least last time I checked the justice system did not rely on social media :-)

Not sure I will continue to contribute to such threads given this newbie experience, feels like twitter on steroids Good job that Mr Trump is not on here, can you imagine....or dare I ask is there an equivalent???

[anonymous-user]

Efbe said:

PF62 said:

If, as has been quoted, the farmer lived only a short distance from where the cars were parked, wouldn't they have know this would be a problem and shouldn't they have planned better?

He has not done this before, yet has worked this farm for many years. Therefore people parking on both sides at this specific pinchpoint in the road has not been an issue before

There isn't an alternative road.

Somewhere it was said that he had been causing problems on that road for years, had blocked parking with boulders to force people to use his own paid car park, which was a swamp.

[Kuji]

JimSuperSix said:

Crackie said:

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Ah well, at least you are honest in your vindictiveness

Better than being on the 'side' of penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes

If you say so chap. Some of us aren't as silly as you and can see the broader picture.

You just have an opinion Jim, nothing more. It is supercilious, conceited and condescending to claim otherwise. Little different to the sanctimonious drivel from you on the thread so far though.......

In your opinion of course

It has substance.

Unlike the stuff you write, which reads as if someone has been sniffing a different substance altogether.

Edited by Kuji on Tuesday 21st November 20:43

[anonymous-user]

That's 2CVs isn't it?

[silentbrown]

JimSuperSix said:

Somewhere it was said that he had been causing problems on that road for years, had blocked parking with boulders to force people to use his own paid car park, which was a swamp.

You mean like this, a few 100 metres towards the farm?



That looks perfectly sensible to me. Without those "boulders" he'd be having the same problem every single day of the year. Also I'd be pretty sure that his land he's putting boulders on.

[anonymous-user]

Kuji said:

It has substance.

Unlike the stuff you write, which reads as if someone has been sniffing a different substance altogether.

Edited by Kuji on Tuesday 21st November 20:43

Why did you remove the picture?

[Wiccan of Darkness]

How has this got to 66 pages? I might open a sweepstake, see if it hits 100 pages (2000 posts).




(edited to add If this does hit 100 pages, I'll )

Edited by Wiccan of Darkness on Tuesday 21st November 21:22

[Crackie]

JimSuperSix said:

Crackie said:

JimSuperSix said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

JimSuperSix said:

Ah well, at least you are honest in your vindictiveness

Better than being on the 'side' of penny pinching, inconsiderate aholes

If you say so chap. Some of us aren't as silly as you and can see the broader picture.

You just have an opinion Jim, nothing more. It is supercilious, conceited and condescending to claim otherwise. Little different to the sanctimonious drivel from you on the thread so far though.......

In your opinion of course

Apologies.............yes.

[speedking31]

Efbe said:

PF62 said:

If, as has been quoted, the farmer lived only a short distance from where the cars were parked, wouldn't they have know this would be a problem and shouldn't they have planned better?

He has not done this before, yet has worked this farm for many years. Therefore people parking on both sides at this specific pinchpoint in the road has not been an issue before. There isn't an alternative road.

For the sake of debate (uh-oh), what if the cars had been parked slightly less considerately such that if the tractor tried to go through he would get jammed in between them, and that was obvious to the farmer. What would he do then?