Tractor pushes parked cars out of the way
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popeyewhite said:
JimSuperSix said:
I pointed out where popeyewhite was totally wrong, its not my fault he misread the quote, twice.
JimSuperSix said:
the first witness statement said that he drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars.
No witness statement said that. Feel free to link any source you like...
Heres the link so you can (attempt) to read it yourself:
http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/Cumbria-Police-...
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 24th November 17:04
JimSuperSix said:
popeyewhite said:
JimSuperSix said:
the first witness statement said that he drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars.
No witness statement said that. Feel free to link any source you like...JimSuperSix said:
Heres the link so you can (attempt) to read it yourself:
http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/Cumbria-Police-...
...and that doesn't say what you claim it says. You are adding bits in to it to suit your preconceptions.http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/Cumbria-Police-...
JimSuperSix said:
popeyewhite said:
JimSuperSix said:
I pointed out where popeyewhite was totally wrong, its not my fault he misread the quote, twice.
JimSuperSix said:
the first witness statement said that he drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars.
No witness statement said that. Feel free to link any source you like...Heres the link so you can (attempt) to read it yourself:
http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/Cumbria-Police-...
Clearly it is picky for anyone to question his complete misquote of the original witness statement. Back to school for you Jim.........Edited by Crackie on Friday 24th November 17:29
So, to be clear, you're claiming there is significant semantic difference between these 2 statements to be worthy of argument?
"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing, I'm not sure why you are so determined to prove otherwise? Perhaps because it takes attention away from the various other points you were clearly proved wrong about, such as there being no mention of the tractor stopping or a crash?
"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing, I'm not sure why you are so determined to prove otherwise? Perhaps because it takes attention away from the various other points you were clearly proved wrong about, such as there being no mention of the tractor stopping or a crash?
JimSuperSix said:
So, to be clear, you're claiming there is significant semantic difference between these 2 statements to be worthy of argument?
"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing, I'm not sure why you are so determined to prove otherwise? Perhaps because it takes attention away from the various other points you were clearly proved wrong about, such as there being no mention of the tractor stopping or a crash?
If you don't see the implied differences between "went through" and "crashed through" we're done. "Paused for a second" implies the farmer did not have time to consider any alternative options. "stop" implies a longer time stationary. "drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing, I'm not sure why you are so determined to prove otherwise? Perhaps because it takes attention away from the various other points you were clearly proved wrong about, such as there being no mention of the tractor stopping or a crash?
Edited by Crackie on Friday 24th November 17:43
Crackie said:
JimSuperSix said:
So, to be clear, you're claiming there is significant semantic difference between these 2 statements to be worthy of argument?
"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing, I'm not sure why you are so determined to prove otherwise? Perhaps because it takes attention away from the various other points you were clearly proved wrong about, such as there being no mention of the tractor stopping or a crash?
If you don't see the implied differences between went and crashed we are at an impasse. "Paused for a second" implies the farmer did not have time to consider many alternative options. "stop along the road" means he stopped not paused for a second. "drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing, I'm not sure why you are so determined to prove otherwise? Perhaps because it takes attention away from the various other points you were clearly proved wrong about, such as there being no mention of the tractor stopping or a crash?
JimSuperSix said:
So, to be clear, you're claiming there is significant semantic difference between these 2 statements to be worthy of argument?
"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing
Except they aren't, are they?"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing
The actual quote makes no mention of how long the tractor was stopped, nor what the driver did during that time. You are fabricating that part, as well as adding the hyperbole of "crashed".
Let's put it another way - if you think they aren't different, why are you so insist on focussing on your version of the wording?
TooMany2cvs said:
JimSuperSix said:
So, to be clear, you're claiming there is significant semantic difference between these 2 statements to be worthy of argument?
"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing
Except they aren't, are they?"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
and:
"....left the farm .....stop along the road......went through damaging at least four cars"
I think even Popeye's 6 year old could see that those 2 are saying the same thing
The actual quote makes no mention of how long the tractor was stopped, nor what the driver did during that time. You are fabricating that part, as well as adding the hyperbole of "crashed".
To say you are being picky is understating it, but please carry on.
Still no word from Popeye about being totally wrong about the tractor not stopping and there being no "crash" I see.....
JimSuperSix said:
I made no mention of those things either. I said paused - could be for 3 seconds, could be 10 minutes. Crashed is an alternative word. If it makes you stop w******g off I'll change it to "impacted" or "collided", the meaning is the same.
Go back and read what you posted Jim..........You said paused, specifically paused for a second.
The witness quote said "went through". In your head the verbs crash, Impact and collide are synonyms for the verb to go. They are not........
Crackie said:
JimSuperSix said:
I made no mention of those things either. I said paused - could be for 3 seconds, could be 10 minutes. Crashed is an alternative word. If it makes you stop w******g off I'll change it to "impacted" or "collided", the meaning is the same.
Go back and read what you posted Jim..........You said paused, specifically paused for a second.
The witness quote said "went through". In your head the verbs crash, Impact and collide are synonyms for the verb to go. They are not........
Paused for a second is a phrase, as in "pause for a second and think about what b
ks you are talking Crackie". It doesn't necessarily mean a literal 1 second pause.JimSuperSix said:
"drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. "
JimSuperSix said:
I made no mention of those things either. I said paused - could be for 3 seconds, could be 10 minutes.
Rowing back harder than the boat race...JimSuperSix said:
Paused for a second is a phrase, as in "pause for a second and think about what bks you are talking Crackie". It doesn't necessarily mean a literal 1 second pause.
<wipes tear of laughter>ks you are talking Crackie". It doesn't necessarily mean a literal 1 second pause.Crackie said:
The witness quote said "went through". In your head the verbs crash, Impact and collide are synonyms for the verb to go. They are not........
You've got your own argument wrong there - you were arguing about my use of "crash" being different the witness saying collision , not that crash means go. crash, Impact and collide are all perfectly interchangeable.JimSuperSix said:
Crackie said:
JimSuperSix said:
I made no mention of those things either. I said paused - could be for 3 seconds, could be 10 minutes. Crashed is an alternative word. If it makes you stop w******g off I'll change it to "impacted" or "collided", the meaning is the same.
Go back and read what you posted Jim..........You said paused, specifically paused for a second.
The witness quote said "went through". In your head the verbs crash, Impact and collide are synonyms for the verb to go. They are not........
Paused for a second is a phrase, as in "pause for a second and think about what b
ks you are talking Crackie". It doesn't necessarily mean a literal 1 second pause.You said " the first witness statement said that he drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. just smashed through, left no contact details, then ran off into his farm to hide."
Bye Jim, enjoy your evening.............I'm now going out for a beer or two. Might even drive down to the pub and abandon my car on the pavement so people can't get past.
Crackie said:
Wrong Jim, you didn't say drove through and crashed did you ?
You said " the first witness statement said that he drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. just smashed through, left no contact details, then ran off into his farm to hide."
Yeah you're right, my statement was actually more accurate than just saying "drove through and crashed" as it describes all the events rather than just the first half.You said " the first witness statement said that he drove up , paused for a second, then crashed through the cars. just smashed through, left no contact details, then ran off into his farm to hide."
Have a good evening though, I've just got an enormous pizza so I'll be set for a bit.
Pooh said:
Efbe said:
Mind you, moving from West Yorkshire to Perthshire next week and I hear it's worse
Where in Perthshire are you moving to? I live in Perthshire and do around 25k miles per year mostly on A and B roads and have very few problems other than the amount of mud that sometimes covers the minor roads. My family is from Perth, so not a completely random move. Not exactly sure how well a broad Yorkshire accent will fit in though!
I find this thread semi interesting and at the same time unsuprising.
Last year I was walking across the local field when some farm hand or farmer took the latest super scale tractor a mere few feet behind me walking the dogs across a public footpath. It looked like the cab sat faorward of the front wheels. It was huge.
I held my position and he crawled literally feet from me, rather than letting me clear the right of way. He could have waited at the other side of the field. The noise from it was immense.
At the end of the footpath I asked him what he was doing and to shut down his engines.
As I went slightly ape st and told him to get out of the funking cab and discuss his driving face to face, he had some odd breakdown with tears and told me he grows the country's food. Which at the time I couldn't give a fk.
This behaviour makes me wonder if these people are becoming slightly unstable due to the working environment in this country and the op post is merely a demonstration of this.
Last year I was walking across the local field when some farm hand or farmer took the latest super scale tractor a mere few feet behind me walking the dogs across a public footpath. It looked like the cab sat faorward of the front wheels. It was huge.
I held my position and he crawled literally feet from me, rather than letting me clear the right of way. He could have waited at the other side of the field. The noise from it was immense.
At the end of the footpath I asked him what he was doing and to shut down his engines.
As I went slightly ape s
t and told him to get out of the funking cab and discuss his driving face to face, he had some odd breakdown with tears and told me he grows the country's food. Which at the time I couldn't give a fk. This behaviour makes me wonder if these people are becoming slightly unstable due to the working environment in this country and the op post is merely a demonstration of this.
Edited by m4tti on Friday 24th November 23:46
Edited by m4tti on Friday 24th November 23:48
m4tti said:
I find this thread semi interesting and at the same time unsuprising.
Last year I was walking across the local field when some farm hand or farmer took the latest super scale tractor a mere few feet behind me walking the dogs across a public footpath.
I held my position and he crawled literally feet from me, rather than letting me clear the right of way. He could have waited at the other side of the field. The noise from it was immense.
At the end of the footpath I asked him what he was doing and to shut down his engines.
As I went slightly ape st and told him to get out of the funking cab and discuss his driving face to face, he had some odd breakdown with tears and told me he grows the country's food. Which at the time I couldn't give a fk.
This behaviour makes me wonder if these people are becoming slightly unstable due to the working environment in this country.
When I'm out walking on the pavement, buses pass me so close that if I held my arm out they would hit it!Last year I was walking across the local field when some farm hand or farmer took the latest super scale tractor a mere few feet behind me walking the dogs across a public footpath.
I held my position and he crawled literally feet from me, rather than letting me clear the right of way. He could have waited at the other side of the field. The noise from it was immense.
At the end of the footpath I asked him what he was doing and to shut down his engines.
As I went slightly ape s
t and told him to get out of the funking cab and discuss his driving face to face, he had some odd breakdown with tears and told me he grows the country's food. Which at the time I couldn't give a fk. This behaviour makes me wonder if these people are becoming slightly unstable due to the working environment in this country.
I just stand my ground on the pavement and give the a stern look because I know my rights.
oakdale said:
When I'm out walking on the pavement, buses pass me so close that if I held my arm out they would hit it!
I just stand my ground on the pavement and give the a stern look because I know my rights.
I guess you could but when your in hectares of open countryside and using a public right of way with the nearest pavement a couple of miles away, you don't expect to be intimidated as the correct course of action would be to let the right of way clear. I just stand my ground on the pavement and give the a stern look because I know my rights.
Oh and a bus sounds like a sparrow compared to one of these things.
Any other top tips, or are your reading skills that of an undiscovered Amazonian Indian.
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