M60 driver caught doing 136mph in Greater Manchester

[vonhosen]

housen said:

what u reckon 186mph on empty motorway would get you ?

Rather depends when & where (then after that if it's offence then & there you have to consider previous etc).

[Kawasicki]

vonhosen said:

Kawasicki said:

The police are following far too closely. Braking distance from 136mph, including reaction time, is 1.8 miles.

In what?
The space shuttle?

In a car. OK, I'll admit it... I just plucked a distance out of the air... don't hate the player. If it saves just one life.

[vonhosen]

Kawasicki said:

vonhosen said:

Kawasicki said:

The police are following far too closely. Braking distance from 136mph, including reaction time, is 1.8 miles.

In what?
The space shuttle?

In a car. OK, I'll admit it... I just plucked a distance out of the air... don't hate the player. If it saves just one life.

It's more like about 320 metres (give or take) using Highway Code formulas.

[Flibble]

A 1g stop is 200 metres from 136 mph. So about 240-260 metres in a decent car, with a full force braking application. The highway code is not that far out on actual distances, despite what people seem to think.

[RDMcG]

I drive in multiple countries in a year but never in the UK. I did live in the UK many years ago but I read so much on PH about overcrowded roads, worlds densest camera systems, people who think overtaking is a sin etc, all balanced by the apparent fact that there are empty country roads for a (slightly) faster run.

I do visit Germany often and have run 180-190 mph countless times. The rules are clear and evidently this is not something to do without perfect conditions. Certainly you keep out of the fast lane unless overtaking. There are wet speed limits and big fines for breaking them.

In general I just stick to the speed limit tolerance level in any place I drive. In the majority of the places I drive it’s about limit plus 10%. No desire to end up in a court in a foreign country

[AllyBassman]

That looks to be around the junction 24/25. It's all downhill and it is tempting to boot it... not 130mph boot it though!

At junction 25 there is a tight right hand bend that has to be taken at 50 with average speed camera in force.

[fatjon]

98elise said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

Everywhere in Germany...or do they have rules about when and where?

I've legally I fired machine guns in the UK . I can't do that in my street.

Not everywhere, on major motorways which are virtually all two lane roads not the huge wide ones we crawl down at 70MPH. There are sensible restrictions such as on the approach to slip roads and other hazards and they are VERY harsh on speeding through roadworks. I drive there a lot and find it all very civilised. People are much more inclined to use mirrors and are almost invariably sensible about speed and moderation according to traffic conditions. Contrary to bks spouted earlier the accident rate is rather better that ours. I would suggest that is because they are much less frustrated, more used to the speeds and the driving lessons include driving on the autobahn.

[vonhosen]

fatjon said:

98elise said:

fatjon said:

All day everyday in Germany and the world is still turning.

Everywhere in Germany...or do they have rules about when and where?

I've legally I fired machine guns in the UK . I can't do that in my street.

Not everywhere, on major motorways which are virtually all two lane roads not the huge wide ones we crawl down at 70MPH. There are sensible restrictions such as on the approach to slip roads and other hazards and they are VERY harsh on speeding through roadworks. I drive there a lot and find it all very civilised. People are much more inclined to use mirrors and are almost invariably sensible about speed and moderation according to traffic conditions. Contrary to bks spouted earlier the accident rate is rather better that ours. I would suggest that is because they are much less frustrated, more used to the speeds and the driving lessons include driving on the autobahn.

It's not bks that their roads aren't as safe as ours, it's the harsh facts.
Risk is a function of the likelihood of the adverse event happening & the severity of it should it happen.
There are arguments for and against the first part of that in relation to speed, but there isn't an argument against the second part of it for higher speeds because it's simple physics.
You are more likely to die in a collision on German roads than in the UK, that's a fact backed up by the data.

[anonymous-user]

fatjon said:

Not everywhere, on major motorways which are virtually all two lane roads not the huge wide ones we crawl down at 70MPH. There are sensible restrictions such as on the approach to slip roads and other hazards and they are VERY harsh on speeding through roadworks. I drive there a lot and find it all very civilised. People are much more inclined to use mirrors and are almost invariably sensible about speed and moderation according to traffic conditions. Contrary to bks spouted earlier the accident rate is rather better that ours. I would suggest that is because they are much less frustrated, more used to the speeds and the driving lessons include driving on the autobahn.

Is it?

What's your source for that?

I'm curious given the statistical / recording differences (outside of fatal collisions).

[Barchettaman]

Just under twice as many road fatalities in DE in 2016 (UK 1700, DE 3200).

Motorway network is 3500km in the UK, 13000km in DE, approx. 50% is derestricted.

82 million in DE, 65 million in UK.

Edited by Barchettaman on Tuesday 21st November 11:45

[vonhosen]

Barchettaman said:

Just under twice as many road fatalities in DE in 2016 (UK 1700, DE 3200).

Fairer to add other metrics into the equation such as (population size, vehicles, miles travelled).
Still more fatalities in Germany than UK though.

[Barchettaman]

vonhosen said:

Fairer to add other metrics into the equation such as (population size, vehicles, miles travelled).
Still more fatalities in Germany than UK though.

Feel free to add other stuff. I'm not trying to make a point.

[Flibble]

375 fatalities on the Autobahn at a rate of 1.6 per billion vehicle km.
89 fatalities on Motorways at a rate of 0.8 per billion vehicle km.

Roughly double on the Autobahns.

DE data from wikipedia.
UK data from: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... and https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

[vonhosen]

Yep
Where Germany does better than us is urban roads.

[Countdown]

98elise said:

Everywhere in Germany...or do they have rules about when and where?

I've legally I fired machine guns in the UK . I can't do that in my street.

Using the logic of some posters on here ....it's perfectly possible to fire a machine gun safely in the street without killing anyone. Therefore it should be legal for everybody to do so. .

[Countdown]

Flibble said:

375 fatalities on the Autobahn at a rate of 1.6 per billion vehicle km.
89 fatalities on Motorways at a rate of 0.8 per billion vehicle km.

Roughly double on the Autobahns.

DE data from wikipedia.
UK data from: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... and https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

So doubling the speed limit doubles the risk of fatalities? Whodathunkit...........

[Kawasicki]

Countdown said:

Flibble said:

375 fatalities on the Autobahn at a rate of 1.6 per billion vehicle km.
89 fatalities on Motorways at a rate of 0.8 per billion vehicle km.

Roughly double on the Autobahns.

DE data from wikipedia.
UK data from: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... and https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

So doubling the speed limit doubles the risk of fatalities? Whodathunkit...........

Sounds like the motorway speed limit should be reduced further. 45 lives could be saved with a 35 mph limit.

[JNW1]

Countdown said:

Flibble said:

375 fatalities on the Autobahn at a rate of 1.6 per billion vehicle km.
89 fatalities on Motorways at a rate of 0.8 per billion vehicle km.

Roughly double on the Autobahns.

DE data from wikipedia.
UK data from: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... and https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

So doubling the speed limit doubles the risk of fatalities? Whodathunkit...........

I don't doubt for a second that excess speed will have been a factor in at least some of those 375 fatalities on the Autobahn; however, I'm not sure you can deduce from that that the higher fatality rate compared to our motorways is purely a consequence of speed.

For example, what's the culture in terms of wearing seatbelts compared to the UK and what's the relative availability of things like air ambulances to get people to hospital quickly? I've no idea on the answer to either but unless everything else is on pretty much a like for like basis it's surely difficult to form a conclusion on the extent to which different speed limits are affecting the level of fatalities?

[rsbmw]

Kawasicki said:

Sounds like the motorway speed limit should be reduced further. 45 lives could be saved with a 35 mph limit.

But millions will be late!

[Kawasicki]

rsbmw said:

Kawasicki said:

Sounds like the motorway speed limit should be reduced further. 45 lives could be saved with a 35 mph limit.

But millions will be late!

Not if they leave earlier...duh! People rushing around at 70 mph are irresponsible tts.