Lorry drivers who think the are the Police
Discussion
As per the original title I saw the outcome of this lane blocking by a lorry.
D.C. down to one lane because of road works.
Car on fire. Poor woman in hysterics. Traffic was built up then one lane was empty ??
Hero lorry driver blocking the outside lane.
Further back two fire engines sat there with their lights flashing being stopped from getting to the car on fire.
D.C. down to one lane because of road works.
Car on fire. Poor woman in hysterics. Traffic was built up then one lane was empty ??
Hero lorry driver blocking the outside lane.
Further back two fire engines sat there with their lights flashing being stopped from getting to the car on fire.
Unfortunately truck drivers are like ex-cons. They spend so long in their own company they forget how stupid they are compared to normal people, and delude themselves that they know best about everything.
There is a reason truck drivers have a terrible reputation. They earn every inch of it.
There is a reason truck drivers have a terrible reputation. They earn every inch of it.
OpulentBob said:
Merging in the middle a bad idea because:
All existing markings would need to be obliterated to such an extend it would damage the road, temp markings added, studs etc. This would then need removing and permanent markings reinstated. This would involve closing the road, would be incredibly expensive and extend the works.
A central lane gives insufficient working space either side for trucks putting signs in, cones down etc.
Practise is to merge fast in to slow, so should go from 2 lanes to lane 1, then switch once single lane running is in. The faster traffic has better visibility as they are approaching in the L1 blind spot. To ask L1 to make a manoeuvre at the same time as L2 with the speed differential disadvantage adds another risk. Much safer to just have one manoeuvre and put the onus on one driver, not have a confused split risk situation.
Layouts are pretty much all the same across the industry and works can be easily planned, with safe works accesses etc. Central merging would mean much longer approach lengths, in practice, to be able to then fit in the relevant accesses that can take trucks delivering machines etc.
There are other reasons but the rugby is on - those will have to do for now. I'll update later if I haven't lost the will to live reading this thread.
That's what I thought you would say about middle lane. I fully understand the reasons but it would help the slow witted drivers let people in. They use the single centre lane a lot on the continent and it seems to work. All existing markings would need to be obliterated to such an extend it would damage the road, temp markings added, studs etc. This would then need removing and permanent markings reinstated. This would involve closing the road, would be incredibly expensive and extend the works.
A central lane gives insufficient working space either side for trucks putting signs in, cones down etc.
Practise is to merge fast in to slow, so should go from 2 lanes to lane 1, then switch once single lane running is in. The faster traffic has better visibility as they are approaching in the L1 blind spot. To ask L1 to make a manoeuvre at the same time as L2 with the speed differential disadvantage adds another risk. Much safer to just have one manoeuvre and put the onus on one driver, not have a confused split risk situation.
Layouts are pretty much all the same across the industry and works can be easily planned, with safe works accesses etc. Central merging would mean much longer approach lengths, in practice, to be able to then fit in the relevant accesses that can take trucks delivering machines etc.
There are other reasons but the rugby is on - those will have to do for now. I'll update later if I haven't lost the will to live reading this thread.
mickmcpaddy said:
Centurion07 said:
Okay, if you're right and EVERYONE else is wrong, give me one piece of evidence, actual evidence, of any motoring organisation, any government department or individual, or anyone else even vaguely connected with roads/traffic management, that say you should merge well in advance of the physical merge point.
Just one.
a load of bobbins...Just one.
mickmcpaddy said:
I don't need to get it, I don't believe merge in turn has any benefits and neither do most of the driving population so it would seem,that will never change, how about commenting on my other points.
You DID see the pics I posted earlier in the thread with an explanation of exactly WHY merge in turn is necessary, right?Do you need some sort of more detailed diagram, will that help?
mickmcpaddy said:
Has no-one ever tried to get out of a car park after a big sporting event or concert, you have multiple lines of cars all trying to get out of a single exit, its chaos, you can be stuck in there for hours. If they released one row of cars at a time the car park would empty much quicker.
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A car can only exit once the car in front has moved out of it's way, that will be the same speed regardless of how they are organised and anyway, your example is completely irrelevant as exiting a car park the primary purpose is speed of exiting traffic compared with queue length at a merge point on the open road..
Anyway, about this evidence I asked for...
Edited by Centurion07 on Sunday 26th November 15:23
blueg33 said:
OpulentBob said:
Merging in the middle a bad idea because:
All existing markings would need to be obliterated to such an extend it would damage the road, temp markings added, studs etc. This would then need removing and permanent markings reinstated. This would involve closing the road, would be incredibly expensive and extend the works.
A central lane gives insufficient working space either side for trucks putting signs in, cones down etc.
Practise is to merge fast in to slow, so should go from 2 lanes to lane 1, then switch once single lane running is in. The faster traffic has better visibility as they are approaching in the L1 blind spot. To ask L1 to make a manoeuvre at the same time as L2 with the speed differential disadvantage adds another risk. Much safer to just have one manoeuvre and put the onus on one driver, not have a confused split risk situation.
Layouts are pretty much all the same across the industry and works can be easily planned, with safe works accesses etc. Central merging would mean much longer approach lengths, in practice, to be able to then fit in the relevant accesses that can take trucks delivering machines etc.
There are other reasons but the rugby is on - those will have to do for now. I'll update later if I haven't lost the will to live reading this thread.
That's what I thought you would say about middle lane. I fully understand the reasons but it would help the slow witted drivers let people in. They use the single centre lane a lot on the continent and it seems to work. All existing markings would need to be obliterated to such an extend it would damage the road, temp markings added, studs etc. This would then need removing and permanent markings reinstated. This would involve closing the road, would be incredibly expensive and extend the works.
A central lane gives insufficient working space either side for trucks putting signs in, cones down etc.
Practise is to merge fast in to slow, so should go from 2 lanes to lane 1, then switch once single lane running is in. The faster traffic has better visibility as they are approaching in the L1 blind spot. To ask L1 to make a manoeuvre at the same time as L2 with the speed differential disadvantage adds another risk. Much safer to just have one manoeuvre and put the onus on one driver, not have a confused split risk situation.
Layouts are pretty much all the same across the industry and works can be easily planned, with safe works accesses etc. Central merging would mean much longer approach lengths, in practice, to be able to then fit in the relevant accesses that can take trucks delivering machines etc.
There are other reasons but the rugby is on - those will have to do for now. I'll update later if I haven't lost the will to live reading this thread.
nonsequitur said:
The Highway Code.
134 / 288.
Tells us all we need to know.
....and, of course, we all religiously adhere diligently to the letter of every section of the highway code without exception.....134 / 288.
Tells us all we need to know.
Ironically, as far as I can tell (and I go through around a dozen two into one merges EVERY DAY - thats about 2,500 each year), it ONLY works when traffic is travelling at speed. It doesn't work once traffic is slow (by which I mean people don't 'buy it' not that it isn't possible)
Edited by OddCat on Sunday 26th November 16:56
13 pages in, using all the words and diagrams available on the internet and you still can’t educate a few people on what to do.
What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to s
t drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!
Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. fking idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car!
I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter st at it 
how these people wipe their arses I don’t know.
What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to s
t drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. f
king idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car! I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter s
t at it how these people wipe their arses I don’t know. OddCat said:
....and, of course, we all religiously adhere diligently to the letter of every section of the highway code without exception.....
Ironically, as far as I can tell (and I go through around a dozen two into one merges EVERY DAY - thats about 2,500 each year), it ONLY works when traffic is travelling at speed. It doesn't work once traffic is slow (by which I mean people don't 'buy it' not that it isn't possible)
So drive as far as you can in your lane if it's closing, slow to match speed of adjoining lane (usually stationary), merge. Ironically, as far as I can tell (and I go through around a dozen two into one merges EVERY DAY - thats about 2,500 each year), it ONLY works when traffic is travelling at speed. It doesn't work once traffic is slow (by which I mean people don't 'buy it' not that it isn't possible)
Not difficult really.
Seems odd that The highway code keeps getting quoted, it states do not break the speed limit, yet I'll wager everyone demanding we follow the highway code - which incidentally says get in the correct lane in good time and don't switch lanes to overtake queuing traffic - breaks the speed limit every time they go out.
If it was just you and another car on the road at 3AM would you pull out into the outside lane and sit just behind them so you could merge back in? of course not, you would follow them through the roadworks with no slow down in speed whatsoever, same if there were 10 cars travelling along, they could get through the pinch point no problems at the same speed. The problems start to occur when one decides to pull out and overtake, when merging back in they cause the vehicles behind to slow down, its impossible not to if you want to leave a safe space in front again. Its this that creates the queues and nothing else. If people got in the correct lane before the traffic starts to slow too much then any slow down in the queue will speed up again.
If it was just you and another car on the road at 3AM would you pull out into the outside lane and sit just behind them so you could merge back in? of course not, you would follow them through the roadworks with no slow down in speed whatsoever, same if there were 10 cars travelling along, they could get through the pinch point no problems at the same speed. The problems start to occur when one decides to pull out and overtake, when merging back in they cause the vehicles behind to slow down, its impossible not to if you want to leave a safe space in front again. Its this that creates the queues and nothing else. If people got in the correct lane before the traffic starts to slow too much then any slow down in the queue will speed up again.
danspec said:
13 pages in, using all the words and diagrams available on the internet and you still can’t educate a few people on what to do.
What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to st drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!
Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. fking idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car!
I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter st at it how these people wipe their arses I don’t know.
I'm betting that the last time you went out in a car you did more than 30 in a 30. Despite the big sign saying 30. Not a diagram - a simple sign. What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to s
t drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. f
king idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car! I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter s
t at it how these people wipe their arses I don’t know. But thats OK because you are clearly a driving god and a much better than average driver. And you drive some kind of really high value high performance car, are a very powerfully built company director, have a stunningly beautiful wife a beautiful home and an amazing life. Bravo !!
danspec said:
13 pages in, using all the words and diagrams available on the internet and you still can’t educate a few people on what to do.
What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to st drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!
Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. fking idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car!
I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter st at it how these people wipe their arses I don’t know.
Finish.What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to s
t drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. f
king idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car! I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter s
t at it how these people wipe their arses I don’t know. Carefully remove three or four sheets of toilet tissue required to complete the task.
Crinkle them gently, for better adhesion.
Begin the job in hand.
Conclude the job in hand.
Attend to hand cleansing duties.
After a suitable time lapse.
Enter motor vehicle.
Proceed to drive at 40mph for as long as you can keep the smile on your face.
mickmcpaddy said:
Seems odd that The highway code keeps getting quoted, it states do not break the speed limit, yet I'll wager everyone demanding we follow the highway code - which incidentally says get in the correct lane in good time and don't switch lanes to overtake queuing traffic - breaks the speed limit every time they go out.
.
Something was required as a starting point so that fellow PHers could tear it to pieces and make excuses not to follow the HC. This also applies to speeding and the use of hand held telephones while at the wheel..
Centurion07 said:
mickmcpaddy said:
Seems odd that The highway code keeps getting quoted....
It's not just the HC that states it though, as I've pointed out.I'm still waiting for you to provide any sources that back your POV...
So why don't you explain how a queue that has half as many cars joining it but moves twice as slow becomes any shorter than a queue with twice as many cars joining it but moving twice as quick.
danspec said:
13 pages in, using all the words and diagrams available on the internet and you still can’t educate a few people on what to do.
What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to st drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!
Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. fking idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car!
I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter st at it how these people wipe their arses I don’t know.
This What chance have you got? I’ve sat next to s
t drivers and asked them and discussed it and they just think your wrong!Give up, its pointless. In the 90’s and early 2000 we had the space to drive around these people only encounter and engage them on occasions.
Now it’s everytime you leave the house. f
king idiots everywhere either doing 40 in a 60 with some sort of pathetic excuse or blocking the road lacking the skill to manoeuvre their car! I can’t believe people get into a car and drive everyday for years and are still utter utter s
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