Ask a Highways England Traffic Officer anything

Ask a Highways England Traffic Officer anything

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PorkInsider

5,889 posts

142 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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dmsims said:
Except you DO NOT have that information - if you read what I wrote the only information you have is Jxx xxmin where xx is a number
This ^^

I see it every time I’m on the M1 heading south from Leeds.

“J32 for M18, 12 mins” or similar.

In what parallel universe is that useful to anyone who doesn’t already know how far they are from J32?

I travel up and down the M1 regularly and still wouldn’t have a clue whether “12 mins” is good or bad.

Why not just put the miles on there too and give us half a chance?

It’s pissboiling actually. I’d rather not be told anything than crap info like that.


Register1

2,143 posts

95 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Lune Gorge gets a thumbs up from me,

Nice

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BossHogg

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6,021 posts

179 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Yep, welcome to my office. wink

CABC

5,589 posts

102 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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PorkInsider said:
This ^^

I see it every time I’m on the M1 heading south from Leeds.

“J32 for M18, 12 mins” or similar.

In what parallel universe is that useful to anyone who doesn’t already know how far they are from J32?

I travel up and down the M1 regularly and still wouldn’t have a clue whether “12 mins” is good or bad.

Why not just put the miles on there too and give us half a chance?

It’s pissboiling actually. I’d rather not be told anything than crap info like that.
assuming info is correct, then it's an affirmation to those who know the road that traffic is flowing.
a bit like getting an invoice for £0.00 which has its validity and use but seems to annoy some people.
carry on.


Edited by CABC on Monday 8th January 22:52

dmsims

6,538 posts

268 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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CABC said:
assuming info is correct, then it's an affirmation to those who know the road that traffic is flowing.
How (exactly) ?

mcdjl

5,451 posts

196 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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PorkInsider said:
This ^^

I see it every time I’m on the M1 heading south from Leeds.

“J32 for M18, 12 mins” or similar.

In what parallel universe is that useful to anyone who doesn’t already know how far they are from J32?

I travel up and down the M1 regularly and still wouldn’t have a clue whether “12 mins” is good or bad.

Why not just put the miles on there too and give us half a chance?

It’s pissboiling actually. I’d rather not be told anything than crap info like that.
Sorry Pork, I've only seen ones that give both. What I do see that's annoying is 'M1 delays after A426' give me the junction number!

Dibble

12,938 posts

241 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Do you have radio (as in stereo/CD players) fitted in your patrol vehicles or have they been removed? I think I'm right in saying you have access to Tetra/Airwave?

Also, Lune Gorge is very pretty but crap for FM reception (especially R4).

BossHogg

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6,021 posts

179 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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The Discos and newer Shoguns have DAB radios fitted. Reception is completely none existent in the gorge. We do have airwave, both personal sets and vehicle sets.

CABC

5,589 posts

102 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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mcdjl said:
What I do see that's annoying is 'M1 delays after A426' give me the junction number!
Yes, that's not good for those from somewhere else. clearly these signs are geared towards those with local knowledge.

Dibble

12,938 posts

241 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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BossHogg said:
The Discos and newer Shoguns have DAB radios fitted. Reception is completely none existent in the gorge. We do have airwave, both personal sets and vehicle sets.
Cheers thumbup

I'm now definitely not going to start a thread called "Ask a detective Constable anything"!

BossHogg

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6,021 posts

179 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Are you local, or just pass through regularly?

skip_1

3,460 posts

191 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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CABC said:
PorkInsider said:
This ^^

I see it every time I’m on the M1 heading south from Leeds.

“J32 for M18, 12 mins” or similar.

In what parallel universe is that useful to anyone who doesn’t already know how far they are from J32?

I travel up and down the M1 regularly and still wouldn’t have a clue whether “12 mins” is good or bad.

Why not just put the miles on there too and give us half a chance?

It’s pissboiling actually. I’d rather not be told anything than crap info like that.
assuming info is correct, then it's an affirmation to those who know the road that traffic is flowing.
a bit like getting an invoice for £0.00 which has it's validity and use but seems to annoy some people.
carry on.
I agree, I pass one of these signs on the M62 each day going home and it allows me to pick my route at one of two junctions based on assumption of traffic flow.

Dibble

12,938 posts

241 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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BossHogg said:
Are you local, or just pass through regularly?
Bit of both. Travelled the M6 once or twice (family and friends in Scotland and trips to north Cumbria). I’m a bit further south and I’ve been to the RCC at Haydock quite a few times for work related stuff.

Register1

2,143 posts

95 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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BossHogg said:
Yep, welcome to my office. wink
SWAP for a day ?


BossHogg

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6,021 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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Nope! wink

Arif110

794 posts

215 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Landshark said:
...It would normally be a crane rather than an HGV that sets off the false MIDAS speeds (especially late at night) due to the number of wheels passing over the sensors, the computer things it’s lots of vehicles close together
Oh wow - I always thought that the system reads traffic behaviour & volume via those relatively closely-spaced single cameras, on curved grey poles (reading number plates to get an idea of average speed/impending bungs)! So they've gone to the trouble of burying pressure sensors throughout?

HappyMidget

6,788 posts

116 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Arif110 said:
Oh wow - I always thought that the system reads traffic behaviour & volume via those relatively closely-spaced single cameras, on curved grey poles (reading number plates to get an idea of average speed/impending bungs)! So they've gone to the trouble of burying pressure sensors throughout?
Not pressure sensors, the wire induction loops.

For OP:
How long does it take the police to report accidents to HE? Only reason I ask is that this morning there was a crash on the M4 W/B at the exit to J8/9. It had happened long enough before I went past E/B for a large queue to form both sides (bloody rubberneckers), yet there was a HE patrol parked up only half a mile before the accident. Seemed odd he hadn't mobilised.

BossHogg

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6,021 posts

179 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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There have been a few incidents we have come across on patrol where the police have been in attendance and we haven't been informed. However, those incidents are rare, we normally get informed pretty promptly.

Flibbertygibbet

29 posts

166 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Arif110 said:
Oh wow - I always thought that the system reads traffic behaviour & volume via those relatively closely-spaced single cameras, on curved grey poles (reading number plates to get an idea of average speed/impending bungs)! So they've gone to the trouble of burying pressure sensors throughout?
Inductive loops in every lane approx every 500m where the system is installed - look for resin lines about 2x1 metre where the tarmac has been cut.. Or if it’s new all lane running zones they are installing RADAR MIDAS - look for a white rectangular box on a street lighting pole, again every 500m or so but only one detector is needed for both carriageways.

In hard shoulder running smart motorways the cameras mounted every 100m are for monitoring the hard shoulder for breakdowns/obstructions for when it is open to traffic.

There is also a relatively new technology called stopped vehicle detection in place on parts of the m25 that uses radar to detect carriageway obstructions and flag up alarms in the RCCs but is still very much in its infancy.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

110 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Three cheers for all this crap technology.
What a shame that so much time and money can be devoted to that bullst, yet the state of the roads is worse than many Third World countries.
They can't even manage to lay a new section of Motorway flat in this dump, the A1 near Wetherby is a case in point. Who signed that off?