What would you do if falsely accused of speeding @ 110mph?
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Gavia said:
WinstonWolf said:
That awkward moment when you realise you're wrong 
I may well be wrong and happy to admit it but the idea that from a red dot someone can say that it’s a cop car let alone an X5 is seriously impressive cmaguire said:
On the other hand, the manner of the OP's driving for the duration of the clip makes the chance of him ever doing 110 look pretty remote under any circumstances to me
Not if just before the point he’s selected to start his YouTube video from, he was thinking along, saw a cop and thought, oh crap and slowed down. Admittedly it’s unlikely but there are some questions to answer. Gavia said:
cmaguire said:
On the other hand, the manner of the OP's driving for the duration of the clip makes the chance of him ever doing 110 look pretty remote under any circumstances to me
Not if just before the point he’s selected to start his YouTube video from, he was thinking along, saw a cop and thought, oh crap and slowed down. Admittedly it’s unlikely but there are some questions to answer. Gavia said:
cmaguire said:
On the other hand, the manner of the OP's driving for the duration of the clip makes the chance of him ever doing 110 look pretty remote under any circumstances to me
Not if just before the point he’s selected to start his YouTube video from, he was thinking along, saw a cop and thought, oh crap and slowed down. Admittedly it’s unlikely but there are some questions to answer. WinstonWolf said:
Ten minutes in the future?
I don’t know if that’s where the cop car is. He says it is, you all seem capable of seeing a cop car from a red dot at the side of the road. That may well be the cop, it equally may not. andy_s said:
And the cop took 13 minutes to catch up with him @70mph and chose to do so where he did despite two opportunities to do so safely before that? I can't see that really.
I don’t know how they operate. Do they pull you straight away? Wait for a junction? Wait for the motorway to end for safety?All I know is that there is a single red dot on the left at one point and everyone is saying that’s the cop. There was a long journey prior to that, as he’s travelled up from Brighton and he could easily have triggered a different car, that’s followed him up.
If I’m honest his reaction is a bit millennial “it wasn’t me, I haven’t done it” with very little incredulity in his voice, but that could equally be because English is not his first language.
I remain cynical.
Gavia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Ten minutes in the future?
I don’t know if that’s where the cop car is. He says it is, you all seem capable of seeing a cop car from a red dot at the side of the road. That may well be the cop, it equally may not. andy_s said:
And the cop took 13 minutes to catch up with him @70mph and chose to do so where he did despite two opportunities to do so safely before that? I can't see that really.
I don’t know how they operate. Do they pull you straight away? Wait for a junction? Wait for the motorway to end for safety?All I know is that there is a single red dot on the left at one point and everyone is saying that’s the cop. There was a long journey prior to that, as he’s travelled up from Brighton and he could easily have triggered a different car, that’s followed him up.
If I’m honest his reaction is a bit millennial “it wasn’t me, I haven’t done it” with very little incredulity in his voice, but that could equally be because English is not his first language.
I remain cynical.
WinstonWolf said:
I know it’s trendy to be the first to doubt the OP but if you watch the (boring) video you’ll understand why you’re wrong.
It’s not about being trendy, I just think there’s more to this, if not then I’m wrong. I can live with that. FurtiveFreddy said:
It doesn't sound as though Gavia has much driving experience, or maybe just no experience of how the roads are Policed.
It’s seems to be trendier to have a pop at someone who holds a different view though. WinstonWolf said:
So where do you think the police were for the first fourteen minutes of the video where he’s completely below the limit?
No idea. Maybe radioing ahead for the next car to pull him after they clocked him doing a silly speed on the motorway, but decided not to pursue and he slowed right down after seeing them (as we all would).Like I said, I don’t know the full story. Taken at face value, though, then he’s clearly not thendriver they thought he was.
WinstonWolf said:
The policeman in the video says he saw him, targeted him and clocked him doing 110. The policeman got it wrong in this case.
We all make mistakes...
I must admit a REALLY hope this turns out to be the opportunity to really sock it to LIDAR. I don't believe it should ever have been approved as a capable principle for speed enforcement: We all make mistakes...
My view: cop used equipment as normal (I doubt he has video if hand held) got a ping (with errors not detected by dubious software corrections and checks), pursued and stopped the victim and in this case, we have finally captured evidence that these devices produce duff readings.
Most of the time I suspect the errors will only a few mph over actual speed of the targeted vehicle but in this case it's a biggie that the accused (victim) will be forced to defend himself. Hopefully he will not roll over and take a fine / points since the seriously grey area of the 'offer of a police waiver' (tea and biscuits plus patronising b
ks for a half day) will not be forthcoming.Could be good news
WinstonWolf said:
So where do you think the police were for the first fourteen minutes of the video where he’s completely below the limit?
Let's say it takes the police ~2 minutes to get going - copper's got to check the speed gun, go back to the car, stow the gun safely, get in, buckle up, then wait for a gap in traffic. They also need to get up to speed (another 20seconds).So they're +/- 2.5 miles behind the car before they start to close the gap. And they've traffic to negotiate. So they've <12 mins to close a gap of 2.5 miles, or over 0.2miles / minute. Which is an overtake of >12mph average (i.e. 80 vs the car's 68). It's dark and damp, they've got to safely negotiate traffic in all 3 lanes...an average of 80 isn't that unreasonable as that means bursts of over 90 followed by slowing down because some numpty doing 65mph hasn't seen them.
(Conversely, let's say they average 90 - that's bursts of >>100mph in the dark, on a busy (cold?) wet road - not so likely. And it'd still take them 7-8 minutes to catch up. Physics is a funny thing...)
(For reference, heading up the M40 the other night I passed a (distinctive) truck just before pulling in for a pit-stop at Beaconsfield, which took ~7 minutes total detour. Took me until well past Oxford to catch the truck up...)
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I just put up the site for people who come on here wanting advice about parking invoices
It is up to them what they then do
, as a reader of others problems
A lot of the advice on there is given freely and assists a lot of people who would otherwise be out of pocket to the underhand methods these firms operate by
If you want a good example check out the threads on Liverpool Airport and people getting invoices for 100.00 for stopping to turn around
Of course no doubt some of the upstanding PH would pay up without a murmur
Steve on here knows about the site as well
Ps My lad is doing up a Dolly Sprint Nice car
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