Wife stopped for illegal number plate...
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Red Devil said:
...I think I do the Green Wrangler one: SOILENT GREEN, an American heavy sludge metal/grindcore band. 
It's misspelled. Soylent Green >>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
gareth_r said:
Red Devil said:
...I think I do the Green Wrangler one: SOILENT GREEN, an American heavy sludge metal/grindcore band.
It's misspelled. Soylent Green >>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
Sad that anyone would think of the band first.
InitialDave said:
Red Devil said:
Is the GT3RS meant to be GRUNHALLE? Don't really get the connection to a long defunct English (despite the German sounding name) lager.
I think I do the Green Wrangler one: SOILENT GREEN, an American heavy sludge metal/grindcore band.
Try "grün hölle" and a certain well known race track.I think I do the Green Wrangler one: SOILENT GREEN, an American heavy sludge metal/grindcore band.
gareth_r said:
Red Devil said:
...I think I do the Green Wrangler one: SOILENT GREEN, an American heavy sludge metal/grindcore band.
It's misspelled. Soylent Green >>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
What has a Jeep 4x4 got to do with people being euthanased and use for food production?American heavy metal seems more apt to me, but given the one above what do I know?
surveyor_101 said:
When I was at balfour beatty they bought a load of merc 4 ton 4x4 tippers with a plough attachment like this>
They came with a reflective standard number sticker on the front of the bonnet. VOSA cared not but a Wiltshire roads policing officer stopped one. Decided the plate wasn't compliant and that the snow plough attachment was dangerous.
Everyone balfours had was taken off the road until a front plate was fitted in the normal place (ie were it can't be seen with the plough on)
Also they had a special plastic cover made for the metal front mount for the plough.
Did one policeman's opinion override the VCA type approval your supplier should have obtained, or did some "fly-by-night" just bolt a plough on the front of a Transit and stick a few sticky letters on the bonnet?They came with a reflective standard number sticker on the front of the bonnet. VOSA cared not but a Wiltshire roads policing officer stopped one. Decided the plate wasn't compliant and that the snow plough attachment was dangerous.
Everyone balfours had was taken off the road until a front plate was fitted in the normal place (ie were it can't be seen with the plough on)
Also they had a special plastic cover made for the metal front mount for the plough.
surveyor_101 said:
When I was at balfour beatty they bought a load of merc 4 ton 4x4 tippers with a plough attachment like this>
They came with a reflective standard number sticker on the front of the bonnet. VOSA cared not but a Wiltshire roads policing officer stopped one. Decided the plate wasn't compliant and that the snow plough attachment was dangerous.
Everyone balfours had was taken off the road until a front plate was fitted in the normal place (ie were it can't be seen with the plough on)
Also they had a special plastic cover made for the metal front mount for the plough.
Crazy. It’s quite remarkable that VOSA were ok with it but a single copper could make that much grief. They came with a reflective standard number sticker on the front of the bonnet. VOSA cared not but a Wiltshire roads policing officer stopped one. Decided the plate wasn't compliant and that the snow plough attachment was dangerous.
Everyone balfours had was taken off the road until a front plate was fitted in the normal place (ie were it can't be seen with the plough on)
Also they had a special plastic cover made for the metal front mount for the plough.
Dave Hedgehog said:
my BiL lives in CAL and although required to have a front plate does not have them fitted (very low fine like $20), he informs this is common because if both plates are stolen the private plate is removed from the system to stop cloning, if one plate is stolen you can order a replacement, all plates are manufactured by the state
Well, then. Report only one plate stolen...pingu393 said:
surveyor_101 said:
When I was at balfour beatty they bought a load of merc 4 ton 4x4 tippers with a plough attachment like this>
Did one policeman's opinion override the VCA type approval your supplier should have obtained, or did some "fly-by-night" just bolt a plough on the front of a Transit and stick a few sticky letters on the bonnet?yonex said:
Crazy. It’s quite remarkable that VOSA were ok with it but a single copper could make that much grief.
To be fair one policeman's misunderstanding of the regulations is the very reason for this thread - complete with threat of financial penalty for non-compliance of his special version of the law.Strudul said:
5 is the minimum you can get away with, and only if it doesn't leave a huge empty recess.
Friend of mine has registration 80OB and uses pink coloured retaining screw covers in the middle of the 0O. He got stopped by a female copper once who was not amused, she was even less amused when it was pointed out it was a legit number plate.
jsf said:
Friend of mine has registration 80OB and uses pink coloured retaining screw covers in the middle of the 0O.
He got stopped by a female copper once who was not amused, she was even less amused when it was pointed out it was a legit number plate.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...He got stopped by a female copper once who was not amused, she was even less amused when it was pointed out it was a legit number plate.
jsf said:
Strudul said:
5 is the minimum you can get away with, and only if it doesn't leave a huge empty recess.
Friend of mine has registration 80OB and uses pink coloured retaining screw covers in the middle of the 0O. He got stopped by a female copper once who was not amused, she was even less amused when it was pointed out it was a legit number plate.
vonhosen said:
Not with pink retaining screws.
Cite the rule saying that.If you are about to cite the road vehicles display of registration marks regulations, section 11:
If the screws are in the blank area at the centre of the "0" or "O", then I say they do not have "the effect of changing the appearance or legibility" of those characters.
Nor do they "render the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device."
InitialDave said:
vonhosen said:
Not with pink retaining screws.
Cite the rule saying that.If you are about to cite the road vehicles display of registration marks regulations, section 11:
If the screws are in the blank area at the centre of the "0" or "O", then I say they do not have "the effect of changing the appearance or legibility" of those characters.
Nor do they "render the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device."
The colour within should be white or yellow. I'd argue it does make it less distinguishable to the eye because it distracts & when viewed quickly that could mean the difference between you distinguishing whether the characters are "0" or 'O"s.
I realise we disagree & I'd have been happy to report the driver & let a magistrate have a look at it.
I'd also have taken a photo & sent it to DVLA for them to decide what they think about it.
I'd be happy to go with whatever both of them say about it
That's what they are there for, to make a decision in such cases.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 25th January 20:55
vonhosen said:
I realise we disagree & I'd have been happy to report the driver & let a magistrate have a look at it.
I'd also have taken a photo & sent it to DVLA for them to decide what they think about it.
I'd be happy to go with whatever both of them say about it
I'm happy to go with what your magistrate or the DVLA say provided they can back it up with something more than "because I said so".I'd also have taken a photo & sent it to DVLA for them to decide what they think about it.
I'd be happy to go with whatever both of them say about it
If the law were that bothered about the colour of the screws, they should explicitly define the colour of screws to be used, to wit "a screw entirely on the background colour of the plate should match that colour. A screw entirely positioned on the stroke of a character should be the colour of that character. Where a screw is positioned partially over both the background colour and the stroke of a character, it may use either colour".
Outside of that, it's open to interpretation, and my opinion is that it is preferable for society as a whole that we do not adopt a position where the basic assumption is that anything not explicitly permitted should be assumed to be proscribed. Can you read the plate? Have they definitely used an "80" and "OB" in the relevant positions, not two "O"s and two "B"s (or, God help us, a black or screw deliberately used to turn one into the other)? Then leave them be.
This entire thread is based on some copper in "I don't like it" mode causing a disproportionate amount of hassle about something that simply does not matter.
InitialDave said:
vonhosen said:
I realise we disagree & I'd have been happy to report the driver & let a magistrate have a look at it.
I'd also have taken a photo & sent it to DVLA for them to decide what they think about it.
I'd be happy to go with whatever both of them say about it
I'm happy to go with what your magistrate or the DVLA say provided they can back it up with something more than "because I said so".I'd also have taken a photo & sent it to DVLA for them to decide what they think about it.
I'd be happy to go with whatever both of them say about it
If the law were that bothered about the colour of the screws, they should explicitly define the colour of screws to be used, to wit "a screw entirely on the background colour of the plate should match that colour. A screw entirely positioned on the stroke of a character should be the colour of that character. Where a screw is positioned partially over both the background colour and the stroke of a character, it may use either colour".
Outside of that, it's open to interpretation, and my opinion is that it is preferable for society as a whole that we do not adopt a position where the basic assumption is that anything not explicitly permitted should be assumed to be proscribed. Can you read the plate? Have they definitely used an "80" and "OB" in the relevant positions, not two "O"s and two "B"s (or, God help us, a black or screw deliberately used to turn one into the other)? Then leave them be.
This entire thread is based on some copper in "I don't like it" mode causing a disproportionate amount of hassle about something that simply does not matter.
As I said, I've outlined what action I would have taken because I take the view it could lead to a misreading of "0" & "O".
As I've also said I'd be happy to leave it to them, that's what they are there for.
It is essentially a case of 'because they say so' either way, because it's how they read the legislation & apply it having listened to the evidence/arguments.
Of course if it went against the driver & they disagreed with that they can look at the appeal process.
I wouldn't have reported the OP in this thread because I viewed those as legal & they demonstrably are, there is no question for a court to answer in relation to it, which is not the case with what we are talking about now.
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