Wife stopped for illegal number plate...
Discussion
Red 4 said:
OP - has your missus been stopped before re; the plates or did she fail the attitude test in spectacular fashion ?
I beg your pardon?A Cayenne driver with a super-duper plate failing the attitude test? If I was being horribly stereotypical and ranking drivers based on the chance of them failing the attitude test, this example would be the least likely!
Oh, wait...
MrBarry123 said:
Red 4 said:
OP - has your missus been stopped before re; the plates or did she fail the attitude test in spectacular fashion ?
I beg your pardon?A Cayenne driver with a super-duper plate failing the attitude test? If I was being horribly stereotypical and ranking drivers based on the chance of them failing the attitude test, this example would be the least likely!
Oh, wait...
eccles said:
Mandat said:
It looks like the OP has measured the stroke width incorrectly, based on these 2 photos.
By my reckoning it looks like the actual width is at least 14mm, therefore legal.
You do realise that half the blade of the digi verniers is in shadow?By my reckoning it looks like the actual width is at least 14mm, therefore legal.
(apologies if you've taken this into account)
This appears to me that the edge of the nib is in line with the edge of the letter rather than the edge of the vernier blade, meaning that the measurement is not correct.
Of course, this could all be a trick of the light / shadow, and it may all become clearer if the OP can provide some clearer daytime photos.
Well, I'm certainly glad such a dangerous individual is safely off the streets, I'll rest easy tonight knowing that a middle-class woman with a perfectly legible plate on her car has been shown the error of her ways.
At the very least, OP, I'd be after your money back from the plate company.
At the very least, OP, I'd be after your money back from the plate company.
MrBarry123 said:
Red 4 said:
OP - has your missus been stopped before re; the plates or did she fail the attitude test in spectacular fashion ?
I beg your pardon?A Cayenne driver with a super-duper plate failing the attitude test? If I was being horribly stereotypical and ranking drivers based on the chance of them failing the attitude test, this mixture would be the least likely!
Oh, wait...
Maybe it should have been an "and".
Not that I'm stereotyping or anything.
IME people will get a VDRS for a minor plate offence (no pun intended) - unless they talk themselves into a ticket/ TOR.
MrBarry123 said:
I beg your pardon?
A Cayenne driver with a super-duper plate failing the attitude test? If I was being horribly stereotypical and ranking drivers based on the chance of them failing the attitude test, this example would be the least likely!
Oh, wait...
I will admit to being pulled in a very obvious car with a plate that I knew was nowhere near legal. A Cayenne driver with a super-duper plate failing the attitude test? If I was being horribly stereotypical and ranking drivers based on the chance of them failing the attitude test, this example would be the least likely!
Oh, wait...
I was basically taking the piss.
Admission that I was taking the piss, producing a legal plate from the boot and fitting it there and then meant I got away with it.
paintman said:
Does your number plate comply with the dimensions given in this leaflet?
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
None of the dimensions given on page 9 of this document has a stated tolerance. Tony Hancock would have the case thrown out in 30 minuteshttps://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Nanook said:
Gavia said:
Agreed, but they’ve got lucky and the OP doesn’t really have a defence.
Go measure your own plates then come back and tell us nothing's more than 1mm out of alignment!You seem to think I’m having a go at the OP, I’m not. I’ve said that plod have got lucky, rather than anything else.
Why do so many people bang on about the attitude test? This woman has done f
k all wrong why should she be pleased to be harrased and lied to and falsely accused of a crime by some snivelly jealous wee prick who failed the life attitude test probably as a result of getting the st kicked out of him at school too many times. We pay these s to make the streets safer and to deter and detect people getting robbed or raped what public good does this waste of everybodies time achieve other than giving tts like bv a semi?
k all wrong why should she be pleased to be harrased and lied to and falsely accused of a crime by some snivelly jealous wee prick who failed the life attitude test probably as a result of getting the st kicked out of him at school too many times. We pay these s to make the streets safer and to deter and detect people getting robbed or raped what public good does this waste of everybodies time achieve other than giving tts like bv a semi?OldGermanHeaps said:
Why do so many people bang on about the attitude test? This woman has done fk all wrong why should she be pleased to be harrased and lied to and falsely accused of a crime by some snivelly jealous wee prick who failed the life attitude test probably as a result of getting the st kicked out of him at school too many times. We pay these s to make the streets safer and to deter and detect people getting robbed or raped what public good does this waste of everybodies time achieve other than giving tts like bv a semi?
Except using illegal plates...k all wrong why should she be pleased to be harrased and lied to and falsely accused of a crime by some snivelly jealous wee prick who failed the life attitude test probably as a result of getting the st kicked out of him at school too many times. We pay these s to make the streets safer and to deter and detect people getting robbed or raped what public good does this waste of everybodies time achieve other than giving tts like bv a semi?Helicopter123 said:
By the strict letter of the law, those plates are illegal, albeit only just.
OP needs to pay the fine and argue the toss with the plate company for compo. If they have guaranteed the plates to be legal, yet they are not, then they will surely need to pay up.
Nobody knows for sure if the plates are even technically illegal as there are only some photos to go by. With some verniers that may or may not be aligned correctly or zeroed correctly.OP needs to pay the fine and argue the toss with the plate company for compo. If they have guaranteed the plates to be legal, yet they are not, then they will surely need to pay up.
In any event, as I think maybe Red 4 or Red Devil said, the basis of the 'crime' as detailed on the FPN is what matters in as far as what the OP has to contest. I doubt the ticket mentions stroke widths.
cmaguire said:
Nobody knows for sure if the plates are even technically illegal as there are only some photos to go by. With some verniers that may or may not be aligned correctly or zeroed correctly.
In any event, as I think maybe Red 4 or Red Devil said, the basis of the 'crime' as detailed on the FPN is what matters in as far as what the OP has to contest. I doubt the ticket mentions stroke widths.
Mentioned that on the 2nd page, but apparently is irrelevant?In any event, as I think maybe Red 4 or Red Devil said, the basis of the 'crime' as detailed on the FPN is what matters in as far as what the OP has to contest. I doubt the ticket mentions stroke widths.
TooMany2cvs said:
Strudul said:
That being said, hypothetically, since the reason given for the fine was due to it being cut down and not character sizing, couldn't you appeal based on that?
No. "Cut down" is irrelevant Chinese Whispers. The things that are laid down in law (as described in that leaflet) are characters sizes, space between them, and margins.OldGermanHeaps said:
Why do so many people bang on about the attitude test? This woman has done fk all wrong why should she be pleased to be harrased and lied to and falsely accused of a crime by some snivelly jealous wee prick who failed the life attitude test probably as a result of getting the st kicked out of him at school too many times. We pay these s to make the streets safer and to deter and detect people getting robbed or raped what public good does this waste of everybodies time achieve other than giving tts like bv a semi?
She has done something wrong: driving with illegal platesk all wrong why should she be pleased to be harrased and lied to and falsely accused of a crime by some snivelly jealous wee prick who failed the life attitude test probably as a result of getting the st kicked out of him at school too many times. We pay these s to make the streets safer and to deter and detect people getting robbed or raped what public good does this waste of everybodies time achieve other than giving tts like bv a semi?HTH
Just read through this one. I have never understood the constant pissing around with number plates. To me they are just a serial number that spoils the design of a car. If anything, by making it a small, ttty number plate it's actually drawing more attention to itself than if you had just left it alone.
However, legality-wise, if the characters, spacing, font, reflectiveness and associated plate information are present, why should it matter how big the actual piece of plastic the characters are presented on are?
tty number plate it's actually drawing more attention to itself than if you had just left it alone.However, legality-wise, if the characters, spacing, font, reflectiveness and associated plate information are present, why should it matter how big the actual piece of plastic the characters are presented on are?
That has yet to be proved. I suspect the plates will transpire to be legal and in any event are unlikely to be in contravention of the FPN. I'd be fuming to be stopped by anyone other than the taste police for that plate. Perhaps we don't have the full story re. the stop but the Police are wasting a lot of time and resource on this that I'd rather was spent elsewhere. Disappointed in BV as I held him in quite high regard from his many other posts. I perceived him to be quite liberal but I must have been mistaken. Perhaps it was his 'friend' posting using his username?
Strudul said:
cmaguire said:
Nobody knows for sure if the plates are even technically illegal as there are only some photos to go by. With some verniers that may or may not be aligned correctly or zeroed correctly.
In any event, as I think maybe Red 4 or Red Devil said, the basis of the 'crime' as detailed on the FPN is what matters in as far as what the OP has to contest. I doubt the ticket mentions stroke widths.
Mentioned that on the 2nd page, but apparently is irrelevant?In any event, as I think maybe Red 4 or Red Devil said, the basis of the 'crime' as detailed on the FPN is what matters in as far as what the OP has to contest. I doubt the ticket mentions stroke widths.
TooMany2cvs said:
Strudul said:
That being said, hypothetically, since the reason given for the fine was due to it being cut down and not character sizing, couldn't you appeal based on that?
No. "Cut down" is irrelevant Chinese Whispers. The things that are laid down in law (as described in that leaflet) are characters sizes, space between them, and margins.Any defence needs to be tailored to the actual specified charge* rather than some speculative PH alternative. If the former doesn't gel with the legislation it should be thrown out.
* A pic of the FPN (redacted where necessary) would remove all doubt. How about it OP?
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