NIP 110mph+ in a 50mph zone - non disclosure
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The only speeding fine I've had in the last 12 years was on a 50 section of motorway, M606 heading towards the 62. The shysters had disguised the gatso with a big temporary sign in front of it. So persecuted for doing 64mph on a deserted motorway late at night. I was only getting away from that s
thole Bradford as quick as I could as well. I cant see any reason for it to be a 50 either, they are basically saying we have given you a sub standard motorway and we need to restrict the speed on it, or its a scam.
Just like a road not too far from me, single carriageway NSL 60mph, no street lighting, not much of anything really and then it was reduced to a 50 a couple of years ago, now its just been reduced to a 40, its the same road, same tarmac, same fields either side I just cant see how its become more dangerous yet if you were to drive at 60 on it just like 2 years ago you would be doing 50% over the limit, its just bizarre.
Actually I tell a lie, the road is more dangerous now, you can now crash into one of the many poles they have put up for the repeater signs that are now necessary, you couldn't make it up.
thole Bradford as quick as I could as well. I cant see any reason for it to be a 50 either, they are basically saying we have given you a sub standard motorway and we need to restrict the speed on it, or its a scam. Just like a road not too far from me, single carriageway NSL 60mph, no street lighting, not much of anything really and then it was reduced to a 50 a couple of years ago, now its just been reduced to a 40, its the same road, same tarmac, same fields either side I just cant see how its become more dangerous yet if you were to drive at 60 on it just like 2 years ago you would be doing 50% over the limit, its just bizarre.
Actually I tell a lie, the road is more dangerous now, you can now crash into one of the many poles they have put up for the repeater signs that are now necessary, you couldn't make it up.
cmaguire said:
What was a flat 70 limit now isn't.
If the limit is reduced to 50 it is in theory due to traffic volume (excepting a broken down vehicle etc) therefore if this is to be believed then how could it even be possible to do 122 in a van?
Ergo, if it is possible then the reduction to 50 is a pisstake and has effectively exaggerated the offence.
Anyway, maybe it was on a single carriageway road. No-one knows on here.
This is making my head hurt somewhat, but lets try to unpack it.If the limit is reduced to 50 it is in theory due to traffic volume (excepting a broken down vehicle etc) therefore if this is to be believed then how could it even be possible to do 122 in a van?
Ergo, if it is possible then the reduction to 50 is a pisstake and has effectively exaggerated the offence.
Anyway, maybe it was on a single carriageway road. No-one knows on here.
IF the van could do 122 THEN traffic volume must be too light for the theoretical broken down vehicle to exist.
Therefore the motorway operators deliberately reduced the limit to 50 not because of the broken down vehicle (which couldn't exist, as traffic was too light for it to be possible), but instead to exacerbate the offence which the speeding van driver was committing.
So in your new version, which isn't at all green-ink it's the van driver who is the clear victim.
Glad we've got that sorted out.
Dammit said:
This is making my head hurt somewhat, but lets try to unpack it.
IF the van could do 122 THEN traffic volume must be too light for the theoretical broken down vehicle to exist.
Therefore the motorway operators deliberately reduced the limit to 50 not because of the broken down vehicle (which couldn't exist, as traffic was too light for it to be possible), but instead to exacerbate the offence which the speeding van driver was committing.
So in your new version, which isn't at all green-ink it's the van driver who is the clear victim.
Glad we've got that sorted out.
I'm starting to think you may be a bit simple. Try not to think about broken down vehicles etc, the key word is EXCEPTING there. and try to focus on traffic volume as I implied.IF the van could do 122 THEN traffic volume must be too light for the theoretical broken down vehicle to exist.
Therefore the motorway operators deliberately reduced the limit to 50 not because of the broken down vehicle (which couldn't exist, as traffic was too light for it to be possible), but instead to exacerbate the offence which the speeding van driver was committing.
So in your new version, which isn't at all green-ink it's the van driver who is the clear victim.
Glad we've got that sorted out.
I think the point is, rather, that your conspiracy theory is unlikely - it's not logically coherent, and only serves to indicate your outlook on life rather than provide any insight into what might have happened.
You are looking at everything through your particular lens on life, trying to make it fit the narrative of entitlement and victimhood which you cling to so fiercely.
You are looking at everything through your particular lens on life, trying to make it fit the narrative of entitlement and victimhood which you cling to so fiercely.
Dammit said:
I think the point is, rather, that your conspiracy theory is unlikely - it's not logically coherent, and only serves to indicate your outlook on life rather than provide any insight into what might have happened.
You are looking at everything through your particular lens on life, trying to make it fit the narrative of entitlement and victimhood which you cling to so fiercely.
As someone unfortunate enough to be on the NW side of the M25 several times a month, it is not uncommon for there to be one lonely gantry at 50mph in the variable section for no reason whatsoever. Getting caught by that would be an utter pisstake.You are looking at everything through your particular lens on life, trying to make it fit the narrative of entitlement and victimhood which you cling to so fiercely.
cmaguire said:
As someone unfortunate enough to be on the NW side of the M25 several times a month, it is not uncommon for there to be one lonely gantry at 50mph in the variable section for no reason whatsoever. Getting caught by that would be an utter pisstake.
At 122, I'm sure that wouldn't be the only gantry to take interest.cmaguire said:
Some 50s are actually legitimate, others are a joke.
But how does that alter the fact he was caught / photographed at 122? Whether you agree with the speed limit is irrelevant, it’s still the speed limit. Even if it the 50 was a joke then the limit could be no more than 70 and he’d still be 52mph over that and in a spot of bother. Gavia said:
But how does that alter the fact he was caught / photographed at 122? Whether you agree with the speed limit is irrelevant, it’s still the speed limit. Even if it the 50 was a joke then the limit could be no more than 70 and he’d still be 52mph over that and in a spot of bother.
A basic 122mph on a Motorway offence is likely to be (and also is in reality) an entirely different offence to 122mph on a 50mph B-road between two villages.I'm not unduly bothered by either, but one is relatively trivial in practical terms in any event.
I'd be very surprised if the rural 122 wasn't subject to a higher level of punishment as well (within a predetermined scale no doubt).
cmaguire said:
A basic 122mph on a Motorway offence is likely to be (and also is in reality) an entirely different offence to 122mph on a 50mph B-road between two villages.
No, they're both "exceeding the speed limit", 122 in a 50, 72mph difference. The motorway would go on a licence as SP50, while the B road would be SP10 (given it's a van), though.cmaguire said:
I'm not unduly bothered by either, but one is relatively trivial in practical terms in any event.
Since the charge is simply "one number is bigger than another", rather than "Ooooh, look how (far) below the expected standard...", it's irrelevant.cmaguire said:
I'd be very surprised if the rural 122 wasn't subject to a higher level of punishment as well (within a predetermined scale no doubt).
I don't believe speeding sentencing takes account of the type of road as a mitigating/aggravating factor, only how the two numbers compare, but I might be wrong - the band of fine is based solely on the speed above the limit - and this is well into Band C.cmaguire said:
Gavia said:
But how does that alter the fact he was caught / photographed at 122? Whether you agree with the speed limit is irrelevant, it’s still the speed limit. Even if it the 50 was a joke then the limit could be no more than 70 and he’d still be 52mph over that and in a spot of bother.
A basic 122mph on a Motorway offence is likely to be (and also is in reality) an entirely different offence to 122mph on a 50mph B-road between two villages.I'm not unduly bothered by either, but one is relatively trivial in practical terms in any event.
I'd be very surprised if the rural 122 wasn't subject to a higher level of punishment as well (within a predetermined scale no doubt).
I actually did over 120 at the weekend in my new car to stretch its legs and it is bloody fast on U.K. roads amd not something I’d enjoy in a van. The Vito Sport X is a mental van 220bhp 3.0 tdi, with a no finial topmspeed of 124moh, getting there would take some serious effort. I know there are “vans” that are not more than an Estate with metal windows, but even they’re not built to do that speed.
Gavia said:
I actually did over 120 at the weekend in my new car to stretch its legs and it is bloody fast on U.K. roads amd not something I’d enjoy in a van. The Vito Sport X is a mental van 220bhp 3.0 tdi, with a no finial topmspeed of 124moh, getting there would take some serious effort. I know there are “vans” that are not more than an Estate with metal windows, but even they’re not built to do that speed.
I don't believe you. You're playing to the grandstand.You race bikes on track and are happy to hint at some of the speeds you do on rural roads for a start.
I also think the Sport X must be quicker than that, and my van that is not more than an estate with metal windows does 135 and doesn't feel particularly fast either and gets to 120+ easily.
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