147mph on motorway
Discussion
RacerMike said:
1. You tried by attempting to imply I was showing off.... similar to when you made some comment about someone earlier in this thread and their job.
2. And the comments about others practicing on their XBox.
3. Anyway. Point made, and I think you’ve back down a little from your initial hubris so fair play.
1. That was the impression you gave.2. And the comments about others practicing on their XBox.
3. Anyway. Point made, and I think you’ve back down a little from your initial hubris so fair play.
Others thought the same.
I'm not sure what other comment (apparently made by me) you are refering to.
You may have me confused with someone else.
2. If you thought I was harsh on that individual, you should read what other people have said about him on here.
Nevertheless - if he wants to dish it out, he should be prepared to get some back.
3. My point was that the Police Officer in this clip is a Roads Policing Officer.
He is highly qualified in matters relating to, er, roads policing.
Plus the fact he was there. Which is quite a big point.
Edited by Red 4 on Thursday 25th January 19:01
I was taken out for instruction by a police driver a few years ago while living in Hants. It was something my father in law had arranged for his employees, and asked if I would be interested in doing it, which I was.
We used my car, and used roads I knew well. I drove initially, and was encouraged to drive at whatever speed I was comfortable with on those with the national speed limit. There was commentary and note taking from the instructor during this.
We got to the halfway point, swapped seats and he drove us back the way we had come, which was from Hamble, and on to the A31 through Meon for those who know the area. There is a part of that road where huge speeds are attainable on occasion, but the opportunity didn't arise for either of us on that day. Given his surprisingly liberal attitude to speed limits I wouldn't have shied away from it, had traffic conditions allowed.
What I wouldn't have done, which he did, was overtake across the ends of blind driveways. I still think about this several years later and wonder what the outcome would have been ( had we survived to witness it ) if someone had turned left from their driveway while looking for traffic from the right and been hit more or less head on by a car on the wrong side of the road travelling at 95mph in a 60.
We used my car, and used roads I knew well. I drove initially, and was encouraged to drive at whatever speed I was comfortable with on those with the national speed limit. There was commentary and note taking from the instructor during this.
We got to the halfway point, swapped seats and he drove us back the way we had come, which was from Hamble, and on to the A31 through Meon for those who know the area. There is a part of that road where huge speeds are attainable on occasion, but the opportunity didn't arise for either of us on that day. Given his surprisingly liberal attitude to speed limits I wouldn't have shied away from it, had traffic conditions allowed.
What I wouldn't have done, which he did, was overtake across the ends of blind driveways. I still think about this several years later and wonder what the outcome would have been ( had we survived to witness it ) if someone had turned left from their driveway while looking for traffic from the right and been hit more or less head on by a car on the wrong side of the road travelling at 95mph in a 60.
RacerMike said:
You have back pedalled quite a bit from your initial ‘anyone who says otherwise is BS’ opinion to be fair. Which is laudible, but you’ve not exactly held your hands up and admitted you were maybe being a little ‘holier than tho’ with that statement.
And to flip it on it’s head, I never once said that training means you can go as fast as you want. I’ve not once meant to imply that, and if it seems I have then apologies as that wasn’t my point. My original statement still stands that the training a police officer gets doesn’t instantly make them more qualified, which is what is often implied....and not just by you I hasten to add. It’s a very British thing.
The French police basically don’t care what you think. They’re the law, you broke it, you pay your money and you get your punishment. No one tries to make a point or teach anyone a lesson as they know that you know you broke the law and have to suffer the punishment. All in all it’s not a particularly entertaining experience, but ultimately it’s a fairly matter of fact conversation. One that thankfully I haven’t had to deal with....but I’d prefer this to the smart arsery you see on Police Camera action and the comments like the ones in this article.
And as for personal insults. You tried by attempting to imply I was showing off.... similar to when you made some comment about someone earlier in this thread and their job. And the comments about others practicing on their XBox. Hardly the comments of a humble police officer is it?
Anyway. Point made, and I think you’ve back down a little from your initial hubris so fair play.
Well stated RacerMike. And to flip it on it’s head, I never once said that training means you can go as fast as you want. I’ve not once meant to imply that, and if it seems I have then apologies as that wasn’t my point. My original statement still stands that the training a police officer gets doesn’t instantly make them more qualified, which is what is often implied....and not just by you I hasten to add. It’s a very British thing.
The French police basically don’t care what you think. They’re the law, you broke it, you pay your money and you get your punishment. No one tries to make a point or teach anyone a lesson as they know that you know you broke the law and have to suffer the punishment. All in all it’s not a particularly entertaining experience, but ultimately it’s a fairly matter of fact conversation. One that thankfully I haven’t had to deal with....but I’d prefer this to the smart arsery you see on Police Camera action and the comments like the ones in this article.
And as for personal insults. You tried by attempting to imply I was showing off.... similar to when you made some comment about someone earlier in this thread and their job. And the comments about others practicing on their XBox. Hardly the comments of a humble police officer is it?
Anyway. Point made, and I think you’ve back down a little from your initial hubris so fair play.
Hmmm - blasting past at 155mph with trucks in lane 1 and cars in lane 2? I don't think that would pass my risk assessment whether I was breaking or enforcing the law for exactly the same reasons.
No reason for the 'unlit up' copper to double the risk and then crow about the danger caused. Surely the video would be enough for a conviction without doubling of the risks caused by going incognito at more than twice the speed any other motorway driver would expect? This ain't Germany where its perfectly safe and expected
! Bad show all round - in fact hypocritical in my book...
No reason for the 'unlit up' copper to double the risk and then crow about the danger caused. Surely the video would be enough for a conviction without doubling of the risks caused by going incognito at more than twice the speed any other motorway driver would expect? This ain't Germany where its perfectly safe and expected
! Bad show all round - in fact hypocritical in my book...I like fast cars and driving fast. I really do. I used to drive plenty fast, mostly on the track and yes, in my youth drove too fast on the public highway on occasion. In this day and age, I cannot believe there is any tolerance for driving at such speeds on the public highway. To me, a nine-month ban and a few hundred pounds in fines, etc., is appalling. I think it should be more like ten-year bans for this kind of behaviour.
I saw a comment earlier about how people survive such speeds in Germany. They often don't. Despite a much more strict approach to driver education/licensing, there is some appalling driving there. To whit: tailgating en masse across multiple lanes through mountain tunnels. On occasion, the results are spectacularly painful.
You cannot cheat physics.
I saw a comment earlier about how people survive such speeds in Germany. They often don't. Despite a much more strict approach to driver education/licensing, there is some appalling driving there. To whit: tailgating en masse across multiple lanes through mountain tunnels. On occasion, the results are spectacularly painful.
You cannot cheat physics.
its funy how no one comments on how the police officer intentionally NOT used the blue lights straight away when the car drove past, instead went in pursuit in order to increase the recorded average speed.
I drive a celica GT4 myself everyday and its very common to be doing close to 70mph on the motorway and being tailgated by people wanting to race me. many in bmws (we all know most undercover police are on those) onse at night it even happened with a marked police car.
its funny to see how disapointed people are at my refusal to race, at the end of the day, i dont drive a sports car because its fast, but just because its a kid's dream come true. but the point is. i have seen police actively trying to frame me into a race, so i find the behaviour disgusting.
its blatant profiling and intend to increase the penalty by the police force, and nobody ever mentiones it.
dont get me wrong. the guy is at fault for speeding and (arguably) dangerous driving. but any decent police officer would use the lights straight away to make him stop and decrease the time the nutter was doing insane speeds.
I drive a celica GT4 myself everyday and its very common to be doing close to 70mph on the motorway and being tailgated by people wanting to race me. many in bmws (we all know most undercover police are on those) onse at night it even happened with a marked police car.
its funny to see how disapointed people are at my refusal to race, at the end of the day, i dont drive a sports car because its fast, but just because its a kid's dream come true. but the point is. i have seen police actively trying to frame me into a race, so i find the behaviour disgusting.
its blatant profiling and intend to increase the penalty by the police force, and nobody ever mentiones it.
dont get me wrong. the guy is at fault for speeding and (arguably) dangerous driving. but any decent police officer would use the lights straight away to make him stop and decrease the time the nutter was doing insane speeds.
tuga2112 said:
its funy how no one comments on how the police officer intentionally NOT used the blue lights straight away when the car drove past, instead went in pursuit in order to increase the recorded average speed.
I drive a celica GT4 myself everyday and its very common to be doing close to 70mph on the motorway and being tailgated by people wanting to race me. many in bmws (we all know most undercover police are on those) onse at night it even happened with a marked police car.
its funny to see how disapointed people are at my refusal to race, at the end of the day, i dont drive a sports car because its fast, but just because its a kid's dream come true. but the point is. i have seen police actively trying to frame me into a race, so i find the behaviour disgusting.
its blatant profiling and intend to increase the penalty by the police force, and nobody ever mentiones it.
dont get me wrong. the guy is at fault for speeding and (arguably) dangerous driving. but any decent police officer would use the lights straight away to make him stop and decrease the time the nutter was doing insane speeds.
As has already been pointed out, it's SOP, especially for a single-crewed traffic car, to check a car before making a stop. Powerful Audis are one of the getaway cars of choice for armed robbers so any 'decent officer' would do the checks to reduce the risk of being shot at. Then there's the need to get the car into a safe(er) place to make the stop, not least to find a suitable stopping place and reduce the risk of them making a panicked input that could cause a loss of control.I drive a celica GT4 myself everyday and its very common to be doing close to 70mph on the motorway and being tailgated by people wanting to race me. many in bmws (we all know most undercover police are on those) onse at night it even happened with a marked police car.
its funny to see how disapointed people are at my refusal to race, at the end of the day, i dont drive a sports car because its fast, but just because its a kid's dream come true. but the point is. i have seen police actively trying to frame me into a race, so i find the behaviour disgusting.
its blatant profiling and intend to increase the penalty by the police force, and nobody ever mentiones it.
dont get me wrong. the guy is at fault for speeding and (arguably) dangerous driving. but any decent police officer would use the lights straight away to make him stop and decrease the time the nutter was doing insane speeds.
Heaveho said:
I was taken out for instruction by a police driver a few years ago while living in Hants. It was something my father in law had arranged for his employees, and asked if I would be interested in doing it, which I was.
We used my car, and used roads I knew well. I drove initially, and was encouraged to drive at whatever speed I was comfortable with on those with the national speed limit. There was commentary and note taking from the instructor during this.
We got to the halfway point, swapped seats and he drove us back the way we had come, which was from Hamble, and on to the A31 through Meon for those who know the area. There is a part of that road where huge speeds are attainable on occasion, but the opportunity didn't arise for either of us on that day. Given his surprisingly liberal attitude to speed limits I wouldn't have shied away from it, had traffic conditions allowed.
What I wouldn't have done, which he did, was overtake across the ends of blind driveways. I still think about this several years later and wonder what the outcome would have been ( had we survived to witness it ) if someone had turned left from their driveway while looking for traffic from the right and been hit more or less head on by a car on the wrong side of the road travelling at 95mph in a 60.
Indeed, seen that many a time, junctions and driveways are a high hazard when overtaking.We used my car, and used roads I knew well. I drove initially, and was encouraged to drive at whatever speed I was comfortable with on those with the national speed limit. There was commentary and note taking from the instructor during this.
We got to the halfway point, swapped seats and he drove us back the way we had come, which was from Hamble, and on to the A31 through Meon for those who know the area. There is a part of that road where huge speeds are attainable on occasion, but the opportunity didn't arise for either of us on that day. Given his surprisingly liberal attitude to speed limits I wouldn't have shied away from it, had traffic conditions allowed.
What I wouldn't have done, which he did, was overtake across the ends of blind driveways. I still think about this several years later and wonder what the outcome would have been ( had we survived to witness it ) if someone had turned left from their driveway while looking for traffic from the right and been hit more or less head on by a car on the wrong side of the road travelling at 95mph in a 60.
tuga2112 said:
its funy how no one comments on how the police officer intentionally NOT used the blue lights straight away when the car drove past, instead went in pursuit in order to increase the recorded average speed.
I drive a celica GT4 myself everyday and its very common to be doing close to 70mph on the motorway and being tailgated by people wanting to race me. many in bmws (we all know most undercover police are on those) onse at night it even happened with a marked police car.
its funny to see how disapointed people are at my refusal to race, at the end of the day, i dont drive a sports car because its fast, but just because its a kid's dream come true. but the point is. i have seen police actively trying to frame me into a race, so i find the behaviour disgusting.
its blatant profiling and intend to increase the penalty by the police force, and nobody ever mentiones it.
dont get me wrong. the guy is at fault for speeding and (arguably) dangerous driving. but any decent police officer would use the lights straight away to make him stop and decrease the time the nutter was doing insane speeds.
Otherwise known as ‘pushing’I drive a celica GT4 myself everyday and its very common to be doing close to 70mph on the motorway and being tailgated by people wanting to race me. many in bmws (we all know most undercover police are on those) onse at night it even happened with a marked police car.
its funny to see how disapointed people are at my refusal to race, at the end of the day, i dont drive a sports car because its fast, but just because its a kid's dream come true. but the point is. i have seen police actively trying to frame me into a race, so i find the behaviour disgusting.
its blatant profiling and intend to increase the penalty by the police force, and nobody ever mentiones it.
dont get me wrong. the guy is at fault for speeding and (arguably) dangerous driving. but any decent police officer would use the lights straight away to make him stop and decrease the time the nutter was doing insane speeds.
One thing about this has struck me, and I think we all know the answer.
IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the Audi and carnage had ensued then the Audi driver (had he survived) would have been blamed.
IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the unmarked Police car (no lights or sirens remember, just another speeding car) and carnage had ensued, um, who would have been blamed then?
For what it's worth my money is on the chap who pulled out being held to blame with the Police officer declared a sadly lost hero.
When the reality is that they were both being exactly as dangerous as each other.
And, yes, I agree that on a passably busy motorway 150 is VERY dangerous!
IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the Audi and carnage had ensued then the Audi driver (had he survived) would have been blamed.
IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the unmarked Police car (no lights or sirens remember, just another speeding car) and carnage had ensued, um, who would have been blamed then?
For what it's worth my money is on the chap who pulled out being held to blame with the Police officer declared a sadly lost hero.
When the reality is that they were both being exactly as dangerous as each other.
And, yes, I agree that on a passably busy motorway 150 is VERY dangerous!
ffhard said:
One thing about this has struck me, and I think we all know the answer.
IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the Audi and carnage had ensued then the Audi driver (had he survived) would have been blamed.
IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the unmarked Police car (no lights or sirens remember, just another speeding car) and carnage had ensued, um, who would have been blamed then?
For what it's worth my money is on the chap who pulled out being held to blame with the Police officer declared a sadly lost hero.
When the reality is that they were both being exactly as dangerous as each other.
And, yes, I agree that on a passably busy motorway 150 is VERY dangerous!
Degrees of blame would be dependent on the individual facts of the case.IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the Audi and carnage had ensued then the Audi driver (had he survived) would have been blamed.
IF someone had pulled out from the middle lane in front of the unmarked Police car (no lights or sirens remember, just another speeding car) and carnage had ensued, um, who would have been blamed then?
For what it's worth my money is on the chap who pulled out being held to blame with the Police officer declared a sadly lost hero.
When the reality is that they were both being exactly as dangerous as each other.
And, yes, I agree that on a passably busy motorway 150 is VERY dangerous!
Both parties would have responsibilities & the actions of both parties would be considered with reference to what they could reasonably expect from other parties or to happen.
There is no basis to assume that a high speed collision involving a Police vehicle will automatically mean that the Police driver will be exonerated in relation to their own choices/action (or free from potential criminal charges).
vonhosen said:
There is no basis to assume that a high speed collision involving a Police vehicle will automatically mean that the Police driver will be exonerated in relation to their own choices/action (or free from potential criminal charges).
The point is though, that if the civilian car in front was involved in a high speed collision, the driver would be thrown to the hounds. Willy Nilly said:
vonhosen said:
There is no basis to assume that a high speed collision involving a Police vehicle will automatically mean that the Police driver will be exonerated in relation to their own choices/action (or free from potential criminal charges).
The point is though, that if the civilian car in front was involved in a high speed collision, the driver would be thrown to the hounds. The courts have ruled previously that high speeds by 'civilians' do not in itself mean the driving is dangerous. If they have a collision, high speed or not, it's the actions relative to the circumstances that determine if it amounts to dangerous driving.
Of course if a collision occurs the driving is more likely to be found wanting (after all something somewhere is more likely to have been seriously misjudged than if there were no collision), that is true for both 'civilians' or Police officers. But it doesn't automatically follow that because there is a collision at higher speeds that it amounts to dangerous driving. That will depend on the full circumstances.
Ultra Sound Guy said:
Which part of Hants do you police? 
Lol, that very thought crossed my mind. I don't live there now, but recently moved back to the north-east away from an area close to where the police are based in Hamble. Let's just say I had 18 years of not being shy of exploiting a decent road, of which there are many around there. Never ticketed, but was careful to pick times and locations. Very fond memories of living there. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff