147mph on motorway
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vsonix said:
cmaguire said:
Why do they feel the need for all the melodrama? 150 there is a piece of cake going by that video yet we're always told it is only by luck that armageddon was avoided
Because the media in this country is the force that shapes opinion and we can't divert from the script that "speed kills" so even if nobody got killed they have to tell everyone just how badly they might have got killed just in case they think that because nobody got killed, speed doesn't kill. As for opinion being shaped by the media, I would rather they confine themselves to providing reliable information, then we'll have a reasonable basis for making up our own minds.
HantsRat said:
This thread is ridiculous now. Can someone just start a new thread to debate dangerous driving?
This is about someone doing 147 and getting convicted of SPEEDING.
Yes, but as vonhosen has repeatedly explained, what's important is the precautions the offending driver takes when confronted with various threatening situations.This is about someone doing 147 and getting convicted of SPEEDING.
If he recognises the hazards and takes suitable precautions to avoid bad results, then he is not guilty of dangerious driving, and the actual speed is of no relevance. It's then only a matter of how serious the speeding offence is considered to be.
Well that's how I'm now seeing it. Vonhosen is explaining how the law works. I'm just surprised that you don't appear to be seeing it the same way.
I congratulate the vehicle in lane 1 right at the end of the vid, for being in lane 1.
Unlike the f
king retarded fking brain dead fking dumb fking fks in the middle lane earlier on in the video.
Hopefully about being shocked by the sheer luck of not having to hose a crash victim out of a smashed up car, the PC would have pulled over a few MLMs and asked them what the fk they are thinking, or rather not thinking. But I doubt that happened.
Unlike the f
king retarded fking brain dead fking dumb fking fks in the middle lane earlier on in the video. Hopefully about being shocked by the sheer luck of not having to hose a crash victim out of a smashed up car, the PC would have pulled over a few MLMs and asked them what the f
k they are thinking, or rather not thinking. But I doubt that happened. By way of light relief, I was once stopped on the M1 when I had a 'quick' car for doing about 110 mph. it was in the middle of the night and I don't think I had been accurately clocked because I saw lights catching me and slowed down,
The officers were very pleasant and said that it was a good job I was not in a hurry or they might not have caught me at all. They had a Rover 3.5. I was asked to take it a bit easier please.
It was before all the 'speed kills' mantra, electronic enforcement and 'driving by numbers'.
The officers were very pleasant and said that it was a good job I was not in a hurry or they might not have caught me at all. They had a Rover 3.5. I was asked to take it a bit easier please.
It was before all the 'speed kills' mantra, electronic enforcement and 'driving by numbers'.
Cooperman said:
By way of light relief, I was once stopped on the M1 when I had a 'quick' car for doing about 110 mph. it was in the middle of the night and I don't think I had been accurately clocked because I saw lights catching me and slowed down,
The officers were very pleasant and said that it was a good job I was not in a hurry or they might not have caught me at all. They had a Rover 3.5. I was asked to take it a bit easier please.
It was before all the 'speed kills' mantra, electronic enforcement and 'driving by numbers'.
Unfortunately those times are generally in the past.The officers were very pleasant and said that it was a good job I was not in a hurry or they might not have caught me at all. They had a Rover 3.5. I was asked to take it a bit easier please.
It was before all the 'speed kills' mantra, electronic enforcement and 'driving by numbers'.
They'd much rather give you a ticket etc.
Although there are still some decent coppers out there, I've come across some massive throbbers
Breadvan72 said:
The laws of physics do not apply to confident company directors driving late model Audis, Porsches, and so forth. Everyone knows that.
And just why does the fact that it was a company director driving a car make a difference??Have all company directors all completed, successfully, the Police Advanced Driving Course, and gained a First Class Certificate??
No. I didn't think so.
FlyingFin said:
Breadvan72 said:
The laws of physics do not apply to confident company directors driving late model Audis, Porsches, and so forth. Everyone knows that.
And just why does the fact that it was a company director driving a car make a difference??Have all company directors all completed, successfully, the Police Advanced Driving Course, and gained a First Class Certificate??
No. I didn't think so.
FlyingFin said:
And just why does the fact that it was a company director driving a car make a difference??
Have all company directors all completed, successfully, the Police Advanced Driving Course, and gained a First Class Certificate??
No. I didn't think so.
Have all company directors all completed, successfully, the Police Advanced Driving Course, and gained a First Class Certificate??
No. I didn't think so.
Cannot make up my mind whether to post the "Not sure if serious" meme or the "Whoosh parrot" meme.
Serious muppe'ry -- no T.
RacerMike said:
Red 4 said:
Greendubber said:
I can't see anyone claiming the police are driving god's compared to the rest of the population?
Me neither.You will be a better driver if you've done the courses and continue to put into practice what you have learned/ been taught.
However - to put it into perspective - even a standard police driver will have had much, much more training than someone who has done an IAM course.
The training/ tuition is not comparable even if the theory is.
Driving police vehicles daily at high speed will keep you on the ball.
It doesn't mean you are a driving God.
Blues and twos do not provide an invisible protective shield.
Experience (and the level of training) counts for a lot.
But even then, no one is perfect.
Some police drivers are better than others.
Some like driving.
Some don't.
Red 4 said:
I see we have some more wannabe driving Gods on this thread.
Here's the thing;
The police officer has more training/ experience/ knowledge and know- how than you do.
(Awaits more BS from the heroes on here).
So you're implying there that if anyone dares to suggest they have more training/experience/knowledge than a police officer, it must be BS..... correct me if I'm wrong, but can't understand how you can read that any differently.Here's the thing;
The police officer has more training/ experience/ knowledge and know- how than you do.
(Awaits more BS from the heroes on here).
To put it into perspective, a professional vehicle dynamics test engineer will have had a lot more training than a police officer, and puts that into practice a lot more often than they do.
For example:
Training:
Basics of safe road driving - Check
Theoretical and practical police driver training (week long intensive course) - Check
Advanced sub limit vehicle assessment and handling training with basic oversteer and understeer control training - Check
Advanced over limit (i.e. drifting) driver training - Check
High speed (>150mph) training - Check
In market (i.e. in Sweden) Low friction driver training - Check
Nurburgring advanced driver training - Check
Experience:
8 weeks in Sweden driving on and over the limits of adhesion per year
2-4 weeks at Nurburgring per year
6-12 weeks at proving grounds in Spain doing high speed, on limit driving per year
4-6 weeks at proving grounds in France driving on limit on wet handling tracks per year
20,000-30,000 miles a year driving in Europe (outside driving for private SD&P) per year
5-10,000 miles a year driving at high speed on the German autobhan per year
I'd say that's a pretty comprehensive level of training and experience, and would lead to said person being at least as qualified as a traffic officer at both controlling a vehicle, and understanding how traffic behaves when driving at speed.
Edited by RacerMike on Thursday 25th January 14:56
And how much of this driving to the maximum adhesion possible was on the public roads with traffic coming in the opposite direction, cars pulling out in front of you from a side turning without warning, tractors round the next bend cutting the verge, and as My Advanced instructor used to say, 'the proverbial rhinoceros round the corner having a dump do you face and is included in your limited track assessment??
Yep, I thought so.... NONE.
You may well be better on a track, the Police could also be if they had your track training. but one thing you seem to choose to ignore, is the fact that you do not have these other hazards built in to your driving courses, and ALL the traffic you face IS going in the same direction!!
(And Hi Mick O'Hooligan if you are on here!)
FlyingFin said:
Ummmmm... Racer Mike......
And how much of this driving to the maximum adhesion possible was on the public roads with traffic coming in the opposite direction, cars pulling out in front of you from a side turning without warning, tractors round the next bend cutting the verge, and as My Advanced instructor used to say, 'the proverbial rhinoceros round the corner having a dump do you face and is included in your limited track assessment??
Yep, I thought so.... NONE.
You may well be better on a track, the Police could also be if they had your track training. but one thing you seem to choose to ignore, is the fact that you do not have these other hazards built in to your driving courses, and ALL the traffic you face IS going in the same direction!!
(And Hi Mick O'Hooligan if you are on here!)
Not sure how seriously to take that given your previous reaction to the company director post, but I’ll humour you.And how much of this driving to the maximum adhesion possible was on the public roads with traffic coming in the opposite direction, cars pulling out in front of you from a side turning without warning, tractors round the next bend cutting the verge, and as My Advanced instructor used to say, 'the proverbial rhinoceros round the corner having a dump do you face and is included in your limited track assessment??
Yep, I thought so.... NONE.
You may well be better on a track, the Police could also be if they had your track training. but one thing you seem to choose to ignore, is the fact that you do not have these other hazards built in to your driving courses, and ALL the traffic you face IS going in the same direction!!
(And Hi Mick O'Hooligan if you are on here!)
There’s plenty of on road driving in that. Not at the limits of adhesion, but to Police/Advanced driving levels with all the usual ‘driving to the vanishing point’ and ‘only go as fast as the road allows you to stop’ etc.
RacerMike said:
There’s plenty of on road driving in that. Not at the limits of adhesion, but to Police/Advanced driving levels with all the usual ‘driving to the vanishing point’ and ‘only go as fast as the road allows you to stop’ etc.
I'm sorry, what ?Do you mean the limit point ? Vanishing Point was a film with Barry Newman (driving a white Dodge Challenger across America).
Your second attempt to quote the advanced training is also nonsense.
Nil point. Bottom of the class. Fail. Sorry.
If you'd actually had any advanced training (especially if it was provided by a police instructor) you would have an idea what you were talking about - so I'm calling bulls
t.Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 28th February 12:05
cmaguire said:
The 'vanishing point' is primary school cornering consideration to determine whether a corner without full visibility is opening up or tightening, and therefore whether speed should be increased or reduced for those of us that like to stick it to the system.
Incorrect.It's called the Limit Point.
Like I said - Vanishing Point is a film which contains American muscle cars, police chases, a naked lady on a motorbike and a story about a former cop delivering a car.
Red 4 said:
cmaguire said:
The 'vanishing point' is primary school cornering consideration to determine whether a corner without full visibility is opening up or tightening, and therefore whether speed should be increased or reduced for those of us that like to stick it to the system.
Incorrect.It's called the Limit Point.
Like I said - Vanishing Point is a film which contains American muscle cars, police chases, a naked lady on a motorbike and a story about a former cop delivering a car.
They both mean the same thing.
Paul_M3 said:
Red 4 said:
cmaguire said:
The 'vanishing point' is primary school cornering consideration to determine whether a corner without full visibility is opening up or tightening, and therefore whether speed should be increased or reduced for those of us that like to stick it to the system.
Incorrect.It's called the Limit Point.
Like I said - Vanishing Point is a film which contains American muscle cars, police chases, a naked lady on a motorbike and a story about a former cop delivering a car.
They both mean the same thing.
Paul_M3 said:
Just because Roadcraft calls it the 'Limit Point' it doesn't mean the other term is incorrect.
They both mean the same thing.
The term "Vanishing Point" is nonsense. - because "the point" doesn't vanish.They both mean the same thing.
It moves away from you, moves towards you or doesn't move.
Hence Limit Point.
It's not difficult.
You can call it the Vanishing Point if you like. You'll be wrong - but If it makes you happy.
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