TETRA Detectors

[FurtiveFreddy]

Landshark said:

Landshark said:

FurtiveFreddy said:

Tomo1971 said:

1. TETRA will end for emergency services in next couple of years
2. Not just the emergency services use it - councils, utility companies etc can all apply to use the system.
3. There are hundreds of people working on the network, all of which carry a TETRA radio (same frequency but band locked onto maintenance channels) so they would set any detector off too.

Thanks for the info, but on the motorways I travel on my detector only picks up emergency services and VOSA, so it's fine for my needs and if I get 2 more years out of it I'll be more than happy

And Highways use it

F1 teams use it

Yes highways use it and I pick them up too. Rarely come across more than one of those on my regular 1 hour M25 route.
Don't see many F1 teams on the M25 southern section.
I get one false alert from a mast which is near J4 of the M3 and that's it for my regular route.
For me, it works well and is useful.
Maybe I have a particularly good example. Don't know, don't care.

[ghe13rte]

silvermills997 said:

I have a target blue eye and out of town ( Scotland ) its great, Does exactly what its supposed to do, I do have the more expensive external dipole antenna fitted behind the front grill but in sight of the road ahead and i like it,

Round town just switch it off or be driven demented.

Edited by silvermills997 on Sunday 18th February 16:50

...what's that then?

[silvermills997]

Detect bib out of town.

[ghe13rte]

silvermills997 said:

Detect bib out of town.

Noted, thanks.

[Greendubber]

silvermills997 said:

HantsRat said:

Blue eye is exactly what we tested. Was a bit crap if you ask me. Considering our camera vans switch off airwave radio and engine when parked up it wouldn't alert to them anyway.

But if your out of town and worried about unmarked cars ( coming up behind you, up side streets, in front of you ) thats when these come into there own, especially if you use the external dipole antenna,

And while i am sure some bib switch off there air wave radio ect when siting in a cold lay-by i will bet you at least 50% dont when in there cars

As for Scammer vans thats why god made Waze and Road Angel...

so the Blue Eye does help.

Edited by silvermills997 on Sunday 18th February 17:04

Police will never turn airwaves off apart from very specific circumstances. Sat up watching traffic isn't one of them.

[jm doc]

4rephill said:

Jdjd1 said:

Want to know my experience with my local force?

Home invasion/armed robbery 3am,

3 armed men steal my car, family at knife point

Police respond to my call, give chase literally as they steal my car but call it off for being ' dangerous '

Car gone never to be seen again

×××ker above would rather continue dunking his donuts and fingering his speed gun preying on soft targets

Edited by Jdjd1 on Saturday 17th February 12:01

Perhaps you should have a chat with jm doc:

jm doc said:

Lots of other laws don't matter, shoplifting, burglary, drugs, financial services act for bankers. Just for starters.
Need I continue??

According to him, burglary doesn't matter, but to you, having been the victim of a burglary, apparently it does matter!

This highlights why the Police enforce all of the Laws (or at least try to), because a crime that isn't important to one person, is important to another person.

Drivers speeding may not seem important to many, but to people who had family members/friends killed or seriously injured due to someone speeding, it's very important.

No, this poster was illustrating exactly what I meant, other law enforcement is now routinely ignored for many for offences much more serious than speeding, such as burglary and other examples in my post, but speeding is enforced with massive resources, motorways are littered with camera's, camera vans, traffic officers under bridges in the dark with laser speed guns. How many is it now, over 3 million "criminals" going a few mph over the speed limit?
Well done guys, you're doing a great job making money and hitting targets protecting us.

[HantsRat]

silvermills997 said:

But if your out of town and worried about unmarked cars ( coming up behind you, up side streets, in front of you ) thats when these come into there own, especially if you use the external dipole antenna,

And while i am sure some bib switch off there air wave radio ect when siting in a cold lay-by i will bet you at least 50% dont when in there cars

As for Scammer vans thats why god made Waze and Road Angel...

so the Blue Eye does help.

Edited by silvermills997 on Sunday 18th February 17:04

Didn't work well for the chap I stopped at the weekend. They don't reach as far as a laser can.

[ghe13rte]

HantsRat said:

silvermills997 said:

But if your out of town and worried about unmarked cars ( coming up behind you, up side streets, in front of you ) thats when these come into there own, especially if you use the external dipole antenna,

And while i am sure some bib switch off there air wave radio ect when siting in a cold lay-by i will bet you at least 50% dont when in there cars

As for Scammer vans thats why god made Waze and Road Angel...

so the Blue Eye does help.

Edited by silvermills997 on Sunday 18th February 17:04

Didn't work well for the chap I stopped at the weekend. They don't reach as far as a laser can.

Indeed they do not.

'A fool and his money easily parted' I would say.

It would be interesting to see what a court would determine if a bunch of detection technology was presented in evidence in a speeding case. Would they say "well the driver was using it to slow at relevant places" or alternately "The driver was using it to determine where there was little or no risk of detection of speeding so could use excess speed with that knowledge".

Slowing at relevant places is the same as knowing where excess speed can be used I think.

[Greendubber]

jm doc said:

4rephill said:

Jdjd1 said:

Want to know my experience with my local force?

Home invasion/armed robbery 3am,

3 armed men steal my car, family at knife point

Police respond to my call, give chase literally as they steal my car but call it off for being ' dangerous '

Car gone never to be seen again

×××ker above would rather continue dunking his donuts and fingering his speed gun preying on soft targets

Edited by Jdjd1 on Saturday 17th February 12:01

Perhaps you should have a chat with jm doc:

jm doc said:

Lots of other laws don't matter, shoplifting, burglary, drugs, financial services act for bankers. Just for starters.
Need I continue??

According to him, burglary doesn't matter, but to you, having been the victim of a burglary, apparently it does matter!

This highlights why the Police enforce all of the Laws (or at least try to), because a crime that isn't important to one person, is important to another person.

Drivers speeding may not seem important to many, but to people who had family members/friends killed or seriously injured due to someone speeding, it's very important.

No, this poster was illustrating exactly what I meant, other law enforcement is now routinely ignored for many for offences much more serious than speeding, such as burglary and other examples in my post, but speeding is enforced with massive resources, motorways are littered with camera's, camera vans, traffic officers under bridges in the dark with laser speed guns. How many is it now, over 3 million "criminals" going a few mph over the speed limit?
Well done guys, you're doing a great job making money and hitting targets protecting us.

What absolute bks.

If you honestly think civilian camera operators and tiny traffic departments would ordinarily be chucking hundreds of burglars in jail you're mistaken. A fixed camera network is not a 'massive resource'


Perhaps the police should leave ever so important people like you to drive as fast as you want?

[jm doc]

Greendubber said:

jm doc said:

4rephill said:

Jdjd1 said:

Want to know my experience with my local force?

Home invasion/armed robbery 3am,

3 armed men steal my car, family at knife point

Police respond to my call, give chase literally as they steal my car but call it off for being ' dangerous '

Car gone never to be seen again

×××ker above would rather continue dunking his donuts and fingering his speed gun preying on soft targets

Edited by Jdjd1 on Saturday 17th February 12:01

Perhaps you should have a chat with jm doc:

jm doc said:

Lots of other laws don't matter, shoplifting, burglary, drugs, financial services act for bankers. Just for starters.
Need I continue??

According to him, burglary doesn't matter, but to you, having been the victim of a burglary, apparently it does matter!

This highlights why the Police enforce all of the Laws (or at least try to), because a crime that isn't important to one person, is important to another person.

Drivers speeding may not seem important to many, but to people who had family members/friends killed or seriously injured due to someone speeding, it's very important.

No, this poster was illustrating exactly what I meant, other law enforcement is now routinely ignored for many for offences much more serious than speeding, such as burglary and other examples in my post, but speeding is enforced with massive resources, motorways are littered with camera's, camera vans, traffic officers under bridges in the dark with laser speed guns. How many is it now, over 3 million "criminals" going a few mph over the speed limit?
Well done guys, you're doing a great job making money and hitting targets protecting us.

What absolute bks.

If you honestly think civilian camera operators and tiny traffic departments would ordinarily be chucking hundreds of burglars in jail you're mistaken. A fixed camera network is not a 'massive resource'


Perhaps the police should leave ever so important people like you to drive as fast as you want?

There has been an absolutely massive increase in the enforcement of speed limits by a wide range of methodology resulting in the criminalisation of a significant percentage of the otherwise law abiding population over the last 15 years.

Contrast that with the ever decreasing investigation, apprehension and prosecution of crimes (eg not investigating burglary, not prosecuting financial crime) that most rational people would consider in a different league to speeding.

Apologists like yourself should reflect on the damage you are doing to policing and the law rather than attacking the messengers.

[ghe13rte]

jm doc said:

There has been an absolutely massive increase in the enforcement of speed limits by a wide range of methodology resulting in the criminalisation of a significant percentage of the otherwise law abiding population over the last 15 years.

Contrast that with the ever decreasing investigation, apprehension and prosecution of crimes (eg not investigating burglary, not prosecuting financial crime) that most rational people would consider in a different league to speeding.

Apologists like yourself should reflect on the damage you are doing to policing and the law rather than attacking the messengers.

Ah that well-worn phrase that also means ‘law defying’.

Last time I looked there were no optional clauses on the traffic regulations

[Greendubber]

jm doc said:

Greendubber said:

jm doc said:

4rephill said:

Jdjd1 said:

Want to know my experience with my local force?

Home invasion/armed robbery 3am,

3 armed men steal my car, family at knife point

Police respond to my call, give chase literally as they steal my car but call it off for being ' dangerous '

Car gone never to be seen again

×××ker above would rather continue dunking his donuts and fingering his speed gun preying on soft targets

Edited by Jdjd1 on Saturday 17th February 12:01

Perhaps you should have a chat with jm doc:

jm doc said:

Lots of other laws don't matter, shoplifting, burglary, drugs, financial services act for bankers. Just for starters.
Need I continue??

According to him, burglary doesn't matter, but to you, having been the victim of a burglary, apparently it does matter!

This highlights why the Police enforce all of the Laws (or at least try to), because a crime that isn't important to one person, is important to another person.

Drivers speeding may not seem important to many, but to people who had family members/friends killed or seriously injured due to someone speeding, it's very important.

No, this poster was illustrating exactly what I meant, other law enforcement is now routinely ignored for many for offences much more serious than speeding, such as burglary and other examples in my post, but speeding is enforced with massive resources, motorways are littered with camera's, camera vans, traffic officers under bridges in the dark with laser speed guns. How many is it now, over 3 million "criminals" going a few mph over the speed limit?
Well done guys, you're doing a great job making money and hitting targets protecting us.

What absolute bks.

If you honestly think civilian camera operators and tiny traffic departments would ordinarily be chucking hundreds of burglars in jail you're mistaken. A fixed camera network is not a 'massive resource'


Perhaps the police should leave ever so important people like you to drive as fast as you want?

There has been an absolutely massive increase in the enforcement of speed limits by a wide range of methodology resulting in the criminalisation of a significant percentage of the otherwise law abiding population over the last 15 years.

Contrast that with the ever decreasing investigation, apprehension and prosecution of crimes (eg not investigating burglary, not prosecuting financial crime) that most rational people would consider in a different league to speeding.

Apologists like yourself should reflect on the damage you are doing to policing and the law rather than attacking the messengers.

Well your wide range of methodology isn't officers carrying out speed enforcement because specialist departments have been cut to the bone. My force has lost 70% of its traffic officers, they've been moved onto teams to deal with things such as burglary and fraud....funnily enough.

Enforcement is mainly carried out by fixed cameras and partnership vans as officers are needed elsewhere.


The only people 'criminalising' anyone are those being caught doing something they think they should be allowed to do, but aren't. I presume it's those 'law abiding' people you are referring to, the ones that are deciding not to 'abide' the law.

Well you know what, that's just tough st. I'm no driving saint but I'll take my medicine like a big boy if/when I'm caught.

[Jdjd1]

Wasn't being told to hand over my keys or be slashed to pieces armed robbery? Or we just calling that a burglary now?

I suppose armed robbery is not worth the time of day now, easier to issue a £100 fine and 3 points then chasing violent offenders

Next it'll be my fault for not dominating the staircase

Edited by Jdjd1 on Monday 19th February 17:41

Edited by Jdjd1 on Monday 19th February 17:41

[Greendubber]

Jdjd1 said:

Wasn't being told to hand over my keys or be slashed to pieces armed robbery? Or we just calling that a burglary now? I suppose armed robbery is not worth the time of day now, easier to issue a £100 fine and 3 points then chasing violent offenders

In a house?

If so it's a burglary, which actually carries a higher sentence than a robbery if I remember correctly.

Edited by Greendubber on Monday 19th February 17:45

[Jdjd1]

Greendubber said:

Jdjd1 said:

Wasn't being told to hand over my keys or be slashed to pieces armed robbery? Or we just calling that a burglary now? I suppose armed robbery is not worth the time of day now, easier to issue a £100 fine and 3 points then chasing violent offenders

In a house?

If so it's a burglary, which actually carries a higher sentence than a robbery if I remember correctly.

Edited by Greendubber on Monday 19th February 17:45

Yes in a house,

Burglary implies they they crept in and out undetected, Forcing us to hand over the keys with a something that resembled a bayonet on the other hand falls under armed robbery, Which carries a far greater sentence and imo is a far greater crime

[Red 4]

Aggravated burglary.

If it ever happened.

[Greendubber]

Jdjd1 said:

Greendubber said:

Jdjd1 said:

Wasn't being told to hand over my keys or be slashed to pieces armed robbery? Or we just calling that a burglary now? I suppose armed robbery is not worth the time of day now, easier to issue a £100 fine and 3 points then chasing violent offenders

In a house?

If so it's a burglary, which actually carries a higher sentence than a robbery if I remember correctly.

Edited by Greendubber on Monday 19th February 17:45

Yes in a house,

Burglary implies they they crept in and out undetected, Forcing us to hand over the keys with a something that resembled a bayonet on the other hand falls under armed robbery, Which carries a far greater sentence and imo is a far greater crime

Look at aggravated burglary, that's what it should have been recorded as if they came in with a weapon of offence. If you're telling me that they just recorded it as a simple burglary dwelling then they shouldn't have.

It wouldn't matter for the investigation process or any charging decision if anyone was locked up but it should have been correctly recorded. I have no idea why it wouldn't have been though.

[jm doc]

ghe13rte said:

jm doc said:

There has been an absolutely massive increase in the enforcement of speed limits by a wide range of methodology resulting in the criminalisation of a significant percentage of the otherwise law abiding population over the last 15 years.

Contrast that with the ever decreasing investigation, apprehension and prosecution of crimes (eg not investigating burglary, not prosecuting financial crime) that most rational people would consider in a different league to speeding.

Apologists like yourself should reflect on the damage you are doing to policing and the law rather than attacking the messengers.

Ah that well-worn phrase that also means ‘law defying’.

Last time I looked there were no optional clauses on the traffic regulations

Nor in burglary, or robbery, or aggravated burglarly or dozens of other real crimes against real people. Or so we all believed.
So lets carry on chasing people breaking "regulations" rather than those breaking heads and hearts. That's real policing in your book and clearly you are all very proud of it....

[Greendubber]

jm doc said:

ghe13rte said:

jm doc said:

There has been an absolutely massive increase in the enforcement of speed limits by a wide range of methodology resulting in the criminalisation of a significant percentage of the otherwise law abiding population over the last 15 years.

Contrast that with the ever decreasing investigation, apprehension and prosecution of crimes (eg not investigating burglary, not prosecuting financial crime) that most rational people would consider in a different league to speeding.

Apologists like yourself should reflect on the damage you are doing to policing and the law rather than attacking the messengers.

Ah that well-worn phrase that also means ‘law defying’.

Last time I looked there were no optional clauses on the traffic regulations

Nor in burglary, or robbery, or aggravated burglarly or dozens of other real crimes against real people. Or so we all believed.
So lets carry on chasing people breaking "regulations" rather than those breaking heads and hearts. That's real policing in your book and clearly you are all very proud of it....

I'm very proud of the amount of wife beating peices of st, rapists and child abusers my Mrs has had banged up. I'm also very proud of the burgling, drug dealing, firearm carrying nasty bds I have to deal with every day going down the steps.

The way you're banging on the mean old police are just out collaring people innocently speeding, which in reality is total bks.

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

Look at aggravated burglary, that's what it should have been recorded as if they came in with a weapon of offence. If you're telling me that they just recorded it as a simple burglary dwelling then they shouldn't have.

It wouldn't matter for the investigation process or any charging decision if anyone was locked up but it should have been correctly recorded. I have no idea why it wouldn't have been though.

No, its a Robbery - force or threats of force in order to steal - doesnt matter that its in a dwelling. Record as Robbery - maybe charge aggravated Burglary