TETRA Detectors

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

Look at aggravated burglary, that's what it should have been recorded as if they came in with a weapon of offence. If you're telling me that they just recorded it as a simple burglary dwelling then they shouldn't have.

It wouldn't matter for the investigation process or any charging decision if anyone was locked up but it should have been correctly recorded. I have no idea why it wouldn't have been though.

No, its a Robbery - force or threats of force in order to steal - doesnt matter that its in a dwelling. Record as Robbery - maybe charge aggravated Burglary

Never in a million years would it be recorded as a robbery, never ever. Been to too many and they've all been recorded as an Agg BDH.

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

Never in a million years would it be recorded as a robbery, never ever. Been to too many and they've all been recorded as an Agg BDH.

Heres the rules - suggest you have a read.

If force or the threat of force is used in order to steal during the course of a burglary then it should
be classified as a robbery.
Example 1: During the course of a burglary, an offender uses force in order to steal a mobile phone from
a guest staying at the house.
One crime of robbery (class 34B).
Example 2: A person enters a house as a trespasser while the victim is present. He uses a weapon to
threaten the victim to keep quiet so he can continue with the burglary.
One crime of robbery (class 34B).
Example 3: A person enters a house as a trespasser while the victim is present. He uses a weapon in
order to steal items from the house and items from the three victims present.
Three crimes of robbery (class 34B).

This has been the case for years

Edited by Bigends on Monday 19th February 21:25

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

Never in a million years would it be recorded as a robbery, never ever. Been to too many and they've all been recorded as an Agg BDH.

Heres the rules - suggest you have a read.

If force or the threat of force is used in order to steal during the course of a burglary then it should
be classified as a robbery.
Example 1: During the course of a burglary, an offender uses force in order to steal a mobile phone from
a guest staying at the house.
One crime of robbery (class 34B).
Example 2: A person enters a house as a trespasser while the victim is present. He uses a weapon to
threaten the victim to keep quiet so he can continue with the burglary.
One crime of robbery (class 34B).
Example 3: A person enters a house as a trespasser while the victim is present. He uses a weapon in
order to steal items from the house and items from the three victims present.
Three crimes of robbery (class 34B).

This has been the case for years

Edited by Bigends on Monday 19th February 21:25

Clearly one of the largest forces in the country has been doing it wrong then, because each and every time I've reported incidents like this the crime screener on the phone comes back with a crime number for agg burglary. We don't even tell them what we want criming, we just give them the circs and MO and they decide. Agg burglary every time.

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

Clearly one of the largest forces in the country has been doing it wrong then, because each and every time I've reported incidents like this the crime screener on the phone comes back with a crime number for agg burglary. We don't even tell them what we want criming, we just give them the circs and MO and they decide. Agg burglary every time.

Exactly - totally wrong. Ive been putting officers right on this point for the last ten yrs or so when they got back to me for reclassifying their reports. Suggest you raise the matter with someone. Aggravated Burglary only mentions having the weapon etc with them. Once they come into use in any way - the rules change

Example 1: A house inhabited by one person is burgled by a group of five people possessing (but not
using) offensive weapons.
One crime of aggravated burglary – residential (class 29A)

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

Clearly one of the largest forces in the country has been doing it wrong then, because each and every time I've reported incidents like this the crime screener on the phone comes back with a crime number for agg burglary. We don't even tell them what we want criming, we just give them the circs and MO and they decide. Agg burglary every time.

Exactly - totally wrong. Ive been putting officers right on this point for the last ten yrs or so when they got back to me for reclassifying their reports. Suggest you raise the matter with someone. Aggravated Burglary only mentions having the weapon etc with them. Once they come into use in any way - the rules change

Example 1: A house inhabited by one person is burgled by a group of five people possessing (but not
using) offensive weapons.
One crime of aggravated burglary – residential (class 29A)

I've questioned it previously and been told it's wrong and it's an agg bdh. Nothing to do with there being a robbery problem due to the amount of international students on patch I'm sure.

[anonymous-user]

jm doc said:

There has been an absolutely massive increase in the enforcement of speed limits by a wide range of methodology resulting in the criminalisation of a significant percentage of the otherwise law abiding population over the last 15 years.

Contrast that with the ever decreasing investigation, apprehension and prosecution of crimes (eg not investigating burglary, not prosecuting financial crime) that most rational people would consider in a different league to speeding.

Apologists like yourself should reflect on the damage you are doing to policing and the law rather than attacking the messengers.

Automated enforcement stands on its own as it's self-funding / resourcing. It has no relevance to decreases in other areas.

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

I've questioned it previously and been told it's wrong and it's an agg bdh. Nothing to do with there being a robbery problem due to the amount of international students on patch I'm sure.

Id often get chased to reclassify as it kept the Burglary rate down on some areas - anyway - your crime recorders are in the wrong.

[silvermills997]

HantsRat said:

Didn't work well for the chap I stopped at the weekend. They don't reach as far as a laser can.

Well perhaps the one you stopped did not have the Target Blu Eye Track VCD SI 5F Advanced Dipole Bumper Mount Antenna Aerial ?

When i am out of town ( Rural Scotland ) i like to know where the Emergency Vehicles are, We do have lots of twisty roads with a lack of visibility and i find, personally, That this system is very good and have had for over two years now but as you seem to know better i will leave you to your opinion and me mine, But lo and behold, It works for me.

[Red 4]

silvermills997 said:

Well perhaps the one you stopped did not have the Target Blu Eye Track VCD SI 5F Advanced Dipole Bumper Mount Antenna Aerial ?

It works for me.

Is that fitted to your RS M//Sport GTi Turbo Injection Limited Edition XDrive Quattro with factory fitted cat flap ?

[anonymous-user]

Most speed enforcement is done through automated means where such a detector is going to be useless.

I could see how they may be useful in rural areas, but then the police car distribution in rural areas is going to be so fine it's probably not worth the expense.

Jdjd1 said:

Hahaha, Exactly why our police force is a joke,

Armed robbery
Home Invasion

Nasty bandits that actually NEED locking up, Wonder how many poor sods got done after me by the same crew because some idiot felt like it violated his health and safety rights giving chase at 3am

Forget the car,

The police should PROTECT and SERVE

Not willing to put yourself in danger or be hurt defending the public? Sorry for me your in the wrong job.

Pursuits are rarely called off because there's too much risk / danger to the officers pursuing.

It's pretty much always because the risk is far too great to the wider public. As much as the officers want to catch the criminals, it can't come at the expense of fatal collision.

The police have no additional legal protections when it comes to driving standards and are governed by various laws which obligate them to make a risk-assessment when it comes to a pursuit.

It's not an angry poster who doesn't understand how things work on PH facing prison when it all goes wrong, is it?

[silvermills997]

Red 4 said:

Is that fitted to your RS M//Sport GTi Turbo Injection Limited Edition XDrive Quattro with factory fitted cat flap ?

No, My C63s smart arse.

[HantsRat]

silvermills997 said:

but as you seem to know better i will leave you to your opinion and me mine, But lo and behold, It works for me.

I would say that having stopped a few people with these devices, regularly undertake speed enforcement and having undertaken official testing of tetra detectors - yes I probably do know better.

[jm doc]

HantsRat said:

silvermills997 said:

but as you seem to know better i will leave you to your opinion and me mine, But lo and behold, It works for me.

I would say that having stopped a few people with these devices, regularly undertake speed enforcement and having undertaken official testing of tetra detectors - yes I probably do know better.

Funny you should say that as I seem to remember “outrage” being expressed by senior police officers about these devices when they first appeared and yet you claim they are “useless”.
So who should we believe and who’s telling porkies?

[HantsRat]

jm doc said:

Funny you should say that as I seem to remember “outrage” being expressed by senior police officers about these devices when they first appeared and yet you claim they are “useless”.
So who should we believe and who’s telling porkies?

Never said they are useless. They will alert you to emergency service vehicles if you really want to spend £x to know that instead of using your eyes. They are just useless as a speed warning as the range of a laser is greater than these devices. Even more useless in a city or semi urban environment.

[EU_Foreigner]

But on the other hand, you only need to be "saved" once to justify the costs of them. No idea of their range, but there are so many traps where a laser is used in a shorter range (ignore motorway) that it could be useful?

[ghe13rte]

Interesting to see the efficacy of a dipole antenna mounted on a bumper for "all-round-coverage". A fool and his money...etc

Interesting thread to aid in them being banned perhaps.

[jm doc]

ghe13rte said:

Interesting to see the efficacy of a dipole antenna mounted on a bumper for "all-round-coverage". A fool and his money...etc

Interesting thread to aid in them being banned perhaps.

But they're useless, why ban them??
Unless of course you're not telling us the truth?

[HantsRat]

EU_Foreigner said:

But on the other hand, you only need to be "saved" once to justify the costs of them.

Target blue eye is £899 without the weird extender thing. Getting caught once is £100 + 3 points if within the threshold.

[jm doc]

HantsRat said:

jm doc said:

Funny you should say that as I seem to remember “outrage” being expressed by senior police officers about these devices when they first appeared and yet you claim they are “useless”.
So who should we believe and who’s telling porkies?

Never said they are useless. They will alert you to emergency service vehicles if you really want to spend £x to know that instead of using your eyes. They are just useless as a speed warning as the range of a laser is greater than these devices. Even more useless in a city or semi urban environment.

On 15th February HantsRat said:

We put one to test half a year ago. They are hopeless and a waste of money. There are so many masts/other tetra users and way too many false activations. It also missed us passing by two of our marked vehicles. Pointless in the city and was not much better on the motorway.

I smell a rat....

[HantsRat]

jm doc said:

On 15th February HantsRat said:

We put one to test half a year ago. They are hopeless and a waste of money. There are so many masts/other tetra users and way too many false activations. It also missed us passing by two of our marked vehicles. Pointless in the city and was not much better on the motorway.

I smell a rat....

I still stand by it. They are hopeless for what people buy them for... Dodging speeding tickets. Yes it missed a couple of cars but it also recognised a couple of cars but well within range of a laser distance.

So yes it does detect Tetra.