Cycle Event Marshals

[mickmcpaddy]

Ares said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?

And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.

It doesn't matter whether its necessary or not, I drive to the supermarket or wherever expecting to be able to use the roads as intended, not get told to stop when I should have priority because someone is performing a leisure activity.

Its the context of it as well, I wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes if a delivery driver holds up traffic because someone is trying to back a big truck out of a tight entrance or an ambulance is blocking the road. it does however piss me off when a woman blocks the road with her big fat arse is hanging out of the rear door whilst she fks about with her sprog. So its not the waiting that bothers me but the reason for waiting.

I'm so sorry. I didn't really YOU should have priority because your leisure pursuit was more important than other people's lesuire pursuits.

Please allow me to extend my fullest apologies, I had no idea the magnitude of the importance we had on this site. Perhaps Sir might permit me to use your highway from time to time if I tug at my forelock, m'lud.

Do you not see that's exactly what the cyclists and marshals are doing. Cars are driving down a main road with priority for them but are expected to stop whilst 50 cyclists pile out of a give way junction or roundabout. The cyclists are saying they are more important than the motorist so the motorist should wait until the lycra mob have gone through.

[BMWBen]

mickmcpaddy said:

BMWBen said:

Hold up a second. The law defines how the roads are intended to be used, not you. I wasn't aware that you were the singular authority on "what things are for in the uk". Do you have a special hat?

Reality check: your opinion on what the roads are for is completely irrelevant.

Of course its an opinion but its not irrelevant to me is it. People have strong opinions about things all the while and are convinced they are right, I'm convinced the roads shouldn't be used for cyclists to monopolise for some sort of race, I think they should hire a venue for it. Just like if I want a party I cant get the tables and chairs out in the street like they've done in the past, I would hire a club or pub for it.

We are working out in Cheshire at the minute and every morning two coppers have the speed gun out catching unsuspecting motorists, yet not 100 yards down the road is a prison where blinged up Range Rovers and top of the range Audis come to visit "their crew" inside most days. Now my opinion is they are obviously drug dealers or worse and the two coppers are behaving despicably by catching motorists when they could walk down the street and harass some known villains. Thats just my opinion but knowbody will ever be able to convince me I'm wrong.

And that's fine, you can have your opinion about how the law should be changed. What you can't have is your own facts about what it is currently. Those cyclists have as much right to be on the road as you do, and so although you may disagree you should treat them with respect, give them room and drive safely when near them.

Your use of phrases like "lycra mob" and "lyrca louts" suggests that this isn't the case.

I hope I'm wrong.

[mickmcpaddy]

Ares said:

Now you see, this is the 21st Century, rather than the 17th Century. We now need more than one (seemingly delusional) bloke's view that someone is a drug dealer, or worse, merely because they drive a Range Rover or Audi.

But....have you thought that the reason they are speed trapping so close to a prison is so that they might have a legitimate reason to stop some of these cars, and thus do a search/background check etc....?

No chance, they are there early morning rush hour, the drug dealers turn up in the afternoon, police have well gone by then. The vehicles are all top of the range, the people that get out of them are all in their 20s, all dressed in jogging bottoms like a chav would and are visiting or picking up people in or from prison, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[Ares]

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?

And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.

It doesn't matter whether its necessary or not, I drive to the supermarket or wherever expecting to be able to use the roads as intended, not get told to stop when I should have priority because someone is performing a leisure activity.

Its the context of it as well, I wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes if a delivery driver holds up traffic because someone is trying to back a big truck out of a tight entrance or an ambulance is blocking the road. it does however piss me off when a woman blocks the road with her big fat arse is hanging out of the rear door whilst she fks about with her sprog. So its not the waiting that bothers me but the reason for waiting.

I'm so sorry. I didn't really YOU should have priority because your leisure pursuit was more important than other people's lesuire pursuits.

Please allow me to extend my fullest apologies, I had no idea the magnitude of the importance we had on this site. Perhaps Sir might permit me to use your highway from time to time if I tug at my forelock, m'lud.

Do you not see that's exactly what the cyclists and marshals are doing. Cars are driving down a main road with priority for them but are expected to stop whilst 50 cyclists pile out of a give way junction or roundabout. The cyclists are saying they are more important than the motorist so the motorist should wait until the lycra mob have gone through.

What is this priority you speak of?

How are the cyclists acting as to be more important than you?

How long do you have to wait? 60 seconds?

How are the cyclists 'saying' they are more important than the motorists?


PS - using terms like 'lycra mob' tells us everything we need to know. If you are behind a car, with your god-like right and no-doubt god-like driving ability, you might do well to other roads users and your own health to chill the fk out a bit. HTH

[BMWBen]

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?

And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.

It doesn't matter whether its necessary or not, I drive to the supermarket or wherever expecting to be able to use the roads as intended, not get told to stop when I should have priority because someone is performing a leisure activity.

Its the context of it as well, I wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes if a delivery driver holds up traffic because someone is trying to back a big truck out of a tight entrance or an ambulance is blocking the road. it does however piss me off when a woman blocks the road with her big fat arse is hanging out of the rear door whilst she fks about with her sprog. So its not the waiting that bothers me but the reason for waiting.

I'm so sorry. I didn't really YOU should have priority because your leisure pursuit was more important than other people's lesuire pursuits.

Please allow me to extend my fullest apologies, I had no idea the magnitude of the importance we had on this site. Perhaps Sir might permit me to use your highway from time to time if I tug at my forelock, m'lud.

Do you not see that's exactly what the cyclists and marshals are doing. Cars are driving down a main road with priority for them but are expected to stop whilst 50 cyclists pile out of a give way junction or roundabout. The cyclists are saying they are more important than the motorist so the motorist should wait until the lycra mob have gone through.

Why is anybody more important than anybody else in this situation? It's called sharing the roads. Why aren't you annoyed about the 20 cars in front of you? They're going to hold you up far more than the cyclists ever did.

[mickmcpaddy]

BMWBen said:

mickmcpaddy said:

BMWBen said:

Hold up a second. The law defines how the roads are intended to be used, not you. I wasn't aware that you were the singular authority on "what things are for in the uk". Do you have a special hat?

Reality check: your opinion on what the roads are for is completely irrelevant.

Of course its an opinion but its not irrelevant to me is it. People have strong opinions about things all the while and are convinced they are right, I'm convinced the roads shouldn't be used for cyclists to monopolise for some sort of race, I think they should hire a venue for it. Just like if I want a party I cant get the tables and chairs out in the street like they've done in the past, I would hire a club or pub for it.

We are working out in Cheshire at the minute and every morning two coppers have the speed gun out catching unsuspecting motorists, yet not 100 yards down the road is a prison where blinged up Range Rovers and top of the range Audis come to visit "their crew" inside most days. Now my opinion is they are obviously drug dealers or worse and the two coppers are behaving despicably by catching motorists when they could walk down the street and harass some known villains. Thats just my opinion but knowbody will ever be able to convince me I'm wrong.

And that's fine, you can have your opinion about how the law should be changed. What you can't have is your own facts about what it is currently. Those cyclists have as much right to be on the road as you do, and so although you may disagree you should treat them with respect, give them room and drive safely when near them.

I'll admit until I read this thread I wasn't aware that these marshals had any authority what so ever but I still think its an absolutely ludicrous piece of legislation.

[mickmcpaddy]

Ares said:

What is this priority you speak of?

How are the cyclists acting as to be more important than you?

How long do you have to wait? 60 seconds?

How are the cyclists 'saying' they are more important than the motorists?


PS - using terms like 'lycra mob' tells us everything we need to know. If you are behind a car, with your god-like right and no-doubt god-like driving ability, you might do well to other roads users and your own health to chill the fk out a bit. HTH

You've quoted enough of my posts, do you not read any of them? Priority - give ways or roundabouts? said so in the post you quoted. Again, as said previously, its not the waiting that bothers me, its the reason for the waiting.

[Ares]

mickmcpaddy said:

I'll admit until I read this thread I wasn't aware that these marshals had any authority what so ever but I still think its an absolutely ludicrous piece of legislation.

I think the same way about country lanes being 40mph limits, but as Sinatra said... That's Life.

[Ares]

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

What is this priority you speak of?

How are the cyclists acting as to be more important than you?

How long do you have to wait? 60 seconds?

How are the cyclists 'saying' they are more important than the motorists?


PS - using terms like 'lycra mob' tells us everything we need to know. If you are behind a car, with your god-like right and no-doubt god-like driving ability, you might do well to other roads users and your own health to chill the fk out a bit. HTH

You've quoted enough of my posts, do you not read any of them? Priority - give ways or roundabouts? said so in the post you quoted. Again, as said previously, its not the waiting that bothers me, its the reason for the waiting.

So they should take their chances against fast moving traffic, causing potential danger for all road users for several minutes, rather than 60 seconds?

Do you get annoyed by disabled people taking too long to cross the road? Or recent fatalities blocking the road? or Children's may-day parades? Or funeral processions?

Have you heard of anger management courses?

[popeyewhite]

Ares said:

No, it's the actual (quite considerable) research I'm after.

Is that all?

Ares said:

I can see plenty of explainable human behaviour (layman terms or otherwise) on here

It's rather whether you understand it in with reference to accepted scientific theory not whether you can use your personal pub definition to insult people who disagree with your opinion

Ares said:

Perhaps you can access it and post it. Or send it to me and I'll host.

Perhaps you can go searching for alternate sources yourself then report back and tell us all what you've found. Oh do.

[mickmcpaddy]

Ares said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

What is this priority you speak of?

How are the cyclists acting as to be more important than you?

How long do you have to wait? 60 seconds?

How are the cyclists 'saying' they are more important than the motorists?


PS - using terms like 'lycra mob' tells us everything we need to know. If you are behind a car, with your god-like right and no-doubt god-like driving ability, you might do well to other roads users and your own health to chill the fk out a bit. HTH

You've quoted enough of my posts, do you not read any of them? Priority - give ways or roundabouts? said so in the post you quoted. Again, as said previously, its not the waiting that bothers me, its the reason for the waiting.

So they should take their chances against fast moving traffic, causing potential danger for all road users for several minutes, rather than 60 seconds?

Do you get annoyed by disabled people taking too long to cross the road? Or recent fatalities blocking the road? or Children's may-day parades? Or funeral processions?

Have you heard of anger management courses?

Like I said its the reason, not the wait itself. If an old man takes a while to cross the road then I don't mind, if its a fat oaf in a motorised car who is only in it because he is too fat to walk then this would annoy me.

[Ares]

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

Now you see, this is the 21st Century, rather than the 17th Century. We now need more than one (seemingly delusional) bloke's view that someone is a drug dealer, or worse, merely because they drive a Range Rover or Audi.

But....have you thought that the reason they are speed trapping so close to a prison is so that they might have a legitimate reason to stop some of these cars, and thus do a search/background check etc....?

No chance, they are there early morning rush hour, the drug dealers turn up in the afternoon, police have well gone by then. The vehicles are all top of the range, the people that get out of them are all in their 20s, all dressed in jogging bottoms like a chav would and are visiting or picking up people in or from prison, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

So it's too totally different events then. Struggling to see your problem....?

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

Ares said:

No, it's the actual (quite considerable) research I'm after.

Is that all?

Ares said:

I can see plenty of explainable human behaviour (layman terms or otherwise) on here

It's rather whether you understand it in with reference to accepted scientific theory not whether you can use your personal pub definition to insult people who disagree with your opinion

Ares said:

Perhaps you can access it and post it. Or send it to me and I'll host.

Perhaps you can go searching for alternate sources yourself then report back and tell us all what you've found. Oh do.

You mentioned the (quite considerable) research. I'm just asking for you to back up what you said? I'm sure you are aware of what impression such repeated diversionary tactics give?

[popeyewhite]

BMWBen said:

Why is anybody more important than anybody else in this situation? It's called sharing the roads.

This, broadly. But racing where the public is intermingled is an accident waiting to happen. I'd happily take another route, let them have their race and we have no arguments, no incensed drivers and no injured cyclists. How long does it take a peloton to pass? With lead and rear vehicles a whole road closure could be completed easily in 60 minutes.

[Ares]

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

What is this priority you speak of?

How are the cyclists acting as to be more important than you?

How long do you have to wait? 60 seconds?

How are the cyclists 'saying' they are more important than the motorists?


PS - using terms like 'lycra mob' tells us everything we need to know. If you are behind a car, with your god-like right and no-doubt god-like driving ability, you might do well to other roads users and your own health to chill the fk out a bit. HTH

You've quoted enough of my posts, do you not read any of them? Priority - give ways or roundabouts? said so in the post you quoted. Again, as said previously, its not the waiting that bothers me, its the reason for the waiting.

So they should take their chances against fast moving traffic, causing potential danger for all road users for several minutes, rather than 60 seconds?

Do you get annoyed by disabled people taking too long to cross the road? Or recent fatalities blocking the road? or Children's may-day parades? Or funeral processions?

Have you heard of anger management courses?

Like I said its the reason, not the wait itself. If an old man takes a while to cross the road then I don't mind, if its a fat oaf in a motorised car who is only in it because he is too fat to walk then this would annoy me.

I think UKIP have found their next leader.

(were you one of the people the Blinged-up Range Rover driving, tracksuit wearing gentlemen used to visit? Might explain your inside knowledge, and a lot more besides)

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

BMWBen said:

Why is anybody more important than anybody else in this situation? It's called sharing the roads.

This, broadly. But racing where the public is intermingled is an accident waiting to happen. I'd happily take another route, let them have their race and we have no arguments, no incensed drivers and no injured cyclists. How long does it take a peloton to pass? With lead and rear vehicles a whole road closure could be completed easily in 60 minutes.

As a driver of c15,000 miles a year, and a cyclist of c10,000miles per year....I'd rather just cause a very minor delay of 60 seconds to roads users, rather than a road closure of 60 minutes, usually more.

Letting a couple of dozen cyclists out of a side road is no real hardship unless you are a very angry bloke/ess. Most of us let dozens of motorist our of a side road to ease their passage every journey.

[Derek Smith]

Ares said:

More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?

And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.

Eat some roughage. 90 seconds? Put some energy into it.

[mickmcpaddy]

Ares said:

I think UKIP have found their next leader.

(were you one of the people the Blinged-up Range Rover driving, tracksuit wearing gentlemen used to visit? Might explain your inside knowledge, and a lot more besides)

I would be a UKIP MP or councillor no problem if Nige was the leader again.

As for spotting chavs, well its not difficult if you don't believe the world is all flowers and happiness.

[mx5nut]

mickmcpaddy said:

Ares said:

More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?

And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.

It doesn't matter whether its necessary or not, I drive to the supermarket or wherever expecting to be able to use the roads as intended, not get told to stop when I should have priority because someone is performing a leisure activity.

Perhaps it would be better for your blood pressure to do online shopping.

Exercise is good, too - have you considered cycling?

[Ares]

Derek Smith said:

Ares said:

More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?

And I think we were talking about 60-90seconds of delay. SECONDS, not minutes. SECONDS. Less time than you would get held up in your vitally important vehicle at a set of traffic lights. Less time than you got delayed by taking a st before you set off.

Eat some roughage. 90 seconds? Put some energy into it.

Man gets fewer greater luxuries than 90 seconds on the throne. Three times a day