Cycle Event Marshals

[Ares]

LG9k said:

Ares said:

Same reason they don't run marathons and 10k road races around stately homes.

It's a time trial, not a track race.

Yes they do. These two took 5 seconds of searching.
https://www.dbmax.co.uk/events/westonbirt-house-10...
https://www.jackrabbitevents.co.uk/calke-abbey-10k

Parkrun events take place off road every weekend.

I think I am going to invent a new sport called "RoadGolf". Afterall, as a pedestrian, I have "rights" on the road, and if I need to stop to hit a ball every so ofter, what's the problem? I'm sure motorists and cyclists won't mind waiting for a minute or two while I line up my putts.

Well done. Out of thousands of Marathons/Half Marathons/10ks run each year, you've found TWO 10ks that are on private land. Kind of proves my point doesn't it

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

Dammit said:

How many times must this argument be had? If you're the one with the bizarre assertion then the burden of proof is on you - it's not on others to prove it for you, that's ridiculous.

If you think my assertion is "bizarre" you could always try challenging it by showing how racing in any environment actually increases attention to safety and lessens risk to other road users. Not going to happen is it? But that's how debate is supposed to work. "Burden of proof" lol. This is a motoring forum not a court of law you're getting confused and a little ahead of yourself.

I have significant research to show that anyone that calls themselves popeyewhite is a cock-nosed paedophile and should be stoned for the safety of all other humans.

I don't want to share the extensive research that I've seen, I'll just leave you prove otherwise.

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

heebeegeetee said:

We have local cycle clubs, consisting of local people using local roads for a bit of exercise and sport

Stop there.
Using the roads for "sport"? With traffic passing at up to 70 mph while you're trying to shed a few seconds off a mile with your head down? Shut the road or go somewhere there's no other traffic.

Cyclists don't use 70mph roads very often, it at all. Most wouldn't permit cycle use anyway.

And those with head down, still have eyes forward. They also have just as much right to be on the road as you do...??

Should we ban runners, and anyone driving without a defined and approved purpose too?


You do know what the term 'public highway' means...??

[Ares]

yellowjack said:

Perhaps you need more than 5 seconds with Google?

Or to see past the red mist of irrational hatred

[heebeegeetee]

popeyewhite said:

heebeegeetee said:

We have local cycle clubs, consisting of local people using local roads for a bit of exercise and sport

Stop there.
Using the roads for "sport"? With traffic passing at up to 70 mph while you're trying to shed a few seconds off a mile with your head down? Shut the road or go somewhere there's no other traffic.

No. Lots of people use the roads for sport, I choose to drive a sports car, for leisure. Like many people I often choose to drive as fast as I dare. I'm a member of the Historic Rally Car Register, and the majority of historic rallying is done on the public roads. Even the stage rally boys will often use the public roads between stages, and I don't know what it's like now, but back in the Group B days the speeds rally cars would achieve on the public road was something to see.

In modern road rallying today cars will drive on open roads at full on full chat. They used to use 400bhp Imprezas to achieve the so called "average" of 30mph, but at least they have now calmed it down to 1600cc, 4 cylinder, N/A engines I believe. Still bloody good fun driving full chat though, using the whole of the road.

I will also continue to hope that roads like the A43 can be given over to the traffic accessing Silverstone for the British GP, and I hope to see a return of the Birmingham Superprix, 'cos that was a wonderful event.

In comparison cycling time trials simply consists of individual cyclists travelling on a wide road, and we're being asked to believe that in some way this presents some sort of challenge to the motorist.

So no, Popeye, you can FRO, I will continue to use the roads for speed and sport, and I just despair at the utterly selfish, nimby little-Englanders like you and your dreadful attitude to others.

I will also continue to contributing to the grinding of the roads to a halt on a daily basis, like everyone else here. I am aware that anyone putting a car on the roads in working hours is part of a massive, massive problem, but so be it. Won't I won't do is waste my time complaining that some has held me up for seconds... I'll try and put my own house in order first.

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

StanleyT said:

Toft Road Knutsford, ca 2003? Long left the area.

Yep, I know it well. They still have time trials there on Wednesday evenings from Spring. Normally from the Monks Heath layby up to the Toft roundabout. I've seen some totally insane stuff at the Chelford roundabout as cyclists fail to give way to lorries from the right just for the sake of a few seconds. Madness.

That's my back garden too. Seen the TTs, never competed in them, and never seen cyclists routinely fail to give way at the Chelford Roundabout (which if you've ever ridden it on a bike, you'll know may as well be cobbled given how rough the surface is, especially on the Knutsford side, as you pass the Shell garage). Cyclists, from my experience of riding and seeing riders, go round there stupidly gingerly given how irrational and unsigned many other road users are, as well as how rough the surface is.

You seem to have a huge issue with never stopping to help/benefit another road user (as well as irrational hatred for cyclists). Are you the kind of person that never lets people pull out of side roads? Or never waits a bit longer at a junction to let a jogger cross the road so as not to break his/her stride? Or let a mum cross with a pram?

[Biker 1]

popeyewhite said:

Stop there.
Using the roads for "sport"? With traffic passing at up to 70 mph while you're trying to shed a few seconds off a mile with your head down? Shut the road or go somewhere there's no other traffic.

I've seen an event on the A24 near Horsham not so long ago, dual carriageway section, with 50 odd MAMILs competing in the same lane as lorries, busses, vans & cars. My passenger mentioned 'organ doners' when we overtook them......

[TooMany2cvs]

I'm just surprised nobody's mentioned the regular A1 time trials. Do they still go on?

[popeyewhite]

heebeegeetee said:

No. Lots of people use the roads for sport, I choose to drive a sports car, for leisure. Like many people I often choose to drive as fast as I dare. I'm a member of the Historic Rally Car Register, and the majority of historic rallying is done on the public roads.

Quite different from racing.

Cars, motorbikes and horses are not allowed to hold races on the open road, the same should apply to cyclists. "historic Rally" isn't proper racing and you know it.

[popeyewhite]

Ares said:

That's my back garden too. Seen the TTs, never competed in them, and never seen cyclists routinely fail to give way at the Chelford Roundabout (which if you've ever ridden it on a bike, you'll know may as well be cobbled given how rough the surface is, especially on the Knutsford side, as you pass the Shell garage). Cyclists, from my experience of riding and seeing riders, go round there stupidly gingerly given how irrational and unsigned many other road users are, as well as how rough the surface is.

I'm a cyclist, the road isn't particularly worse than any other, and I regularly see tt cyclists chancing it at the Chelford roundabout. Personally I haven't cycled there much for a decade because I choose not to confuse "sport" with inhaling toxic particles on a busy road.

Ares said:

You seem to have a huge issue with never stopping to help/benefit another road user (as well as irrational hatred for cyclists).

Not sure how you came to that conclusion as I've never mentioned it.

Ares said:

Are you the kind of person that never lets people pull out of side roads? Or never waits a bit longer at a junction to let a jogger cross the road so as not to break his/her stride? Or let a mum cross with a pram?

Depends.

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

heebeegeetee said:

No. Lots of people use the roads for sport, I choose to drive a sports car, for leisure. Like many people I often choose to drive as fast as I dare. I'm a member of the Historic Rally Car Register, and the majority of historic rallying is done on the public roads.

Quite different from racing.

Cars, motorbikes and horses are not allowed to hold races on the open road, the same should apply to cyclists. "historic Rally" isn't proper racing and you know it.

Actually very similar. Both are timed, not raced.

[oyster]

captain_cynic said:

Because those using their motor vehicles for leisure don't block thoroughfares for others.

Possibly the most stupid thing I've read on PH.

I'm guessing the A30 to and from Cornwall in summer is blocked by business travellers?

Or the M23 near Gatwick at half-term?



Those traffic jams near the Trafford Centre must have been all in my imagination.

[heebeegeetee]

Ares said:

Actually very similar. Both are timed, not raced.

Thank you. In both the clock is everything, neither are "racing" as such.

[heebeegeetee]

Biker 1 said:

My passenger mentioned 'organ doners' when we overtook them......

Interesting post from a biker, is it not? 🙂

[BMWBen]

oyster said:

captain_cynic said:

Because those using their motor vehicles for leisure don't block thoroughfares for others.

Possibly the most stupid thing I've read on PH.

I'm guessing the A30 to and from Cornwall in summer is blocked by business travellers?

Or the M23 near Gatwick at half-term?



Those traffic jams near the Trafford Centre must have been all in my imagination.

With you on that one. Some people seem to have extremely defective reasoning skills on here!

[Bacon Is Proof]

heebeegeetee said:

Ares said:

Actually very similar. Both are timed, not raced.

Thank you. In both the clock is everything, neither are "racing" as such.

Time triallers attempt to complete a course in as fast a time as possible, that's racing.
Because of that, safety is given way to speed.
There was minor uproar recently when the well known Hull time trial looked like getting shut down due to safety concerns.
There had been a few accidents between time triallers and motorists, but the only death occurred when a cyclist rode into the back of a stationary vehicle.
I'd much rather see time trials run on closed roads, especially as I ride more miles than drive.

[mickmcpaddy]

After today's incident I've finally seen the light, driving down a country lane on the way home there are two of the "Cheshire set" type on horseback, complete with POLITE type hi viz. I was in the passenger seat and my mate was driving, we had to stop because we needed to get round a skip that was in the road so he wasn't doing any more than 15mph or so anyway when he set off again. He drove past the horses carefully and with no drama. Cue the most high pitched whiny horrible voice you have ever heard "SLOW DOWN" it was like an opera singer trying to break glass. That bh on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.

Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.

What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.

So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete wkers*.

• Now I'm sure many people who come on here will say they abide by the rules of the road and don't go through red lights, wait at zebra crossings and so forth, but I don't believe you, for the simple reason that even though I think cyclists that do things like this are some of the biggest pricks going, if I ever got a driving ban or had to use a bike for some other reason I would do it too, why would you not, the chances of getting caught are practically nil.

[TooMany2cvs]

mickmcpaddy said:

After today's incident I've finally seen the light, driving down a country lane on the way home there are two of the "Cheshire set" type on horseback, complete with POLITE type hi viz. I was in the passenger seat and my mate was driving, we had to stop because we needed to get round a skip that was in the road so he wasn't doing any more than 15mph or so anyway when he set off again. He drove past the horses carefully and with no drama. Cue the most high pitched whiny horrible voice you have ever heard "SLOW DOWN" it was like an opera singer trying to break glass. That bh on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.

Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.

What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.

So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete wkers*.

• Now I'm sure many people who come on here will say they abide by the rules of the road and don't go through red lights, wait at zebra crossings and so forth, but I don't believe you, for the simple reason that even though I think cyclists that do things like this are some of the biggest pricks going, if I ever got a driving ban or had to use a bike for some other reason I would do it too, why would you not, the chances of getting caught are practically nil.

So, basically, you're a misanthropic old curmudgeon.

[Gargamel]

Why does anyone care !

What happened to live and let live, If people want to compete a sportive, or time trial on bikes, what is the problem ?

Why would anyone object ? Surely only the most contemptible would bother raising a complaint, it affects them in absolutely no way whatsoever.

The difference between, a cyclist, and a cyclist trying to go a bit quicker, is absolutely nothing.

If a marshal is present it is only to ensure safety, I am pretty sure even the most vehemently anti cyclist PHer doesn't actually want to run anyone over.

We used to have a culture that permitted most things, and expected reasonable and decent behavior. Now it seems self centered people just prefer to scream ban.

Edited by Gargamel on Tuesday 20th February 16:13

[popeyewhite]

Bacon Is Proof said:

Time triallers attempt to complete a course in as fast a time as possible, that's racing.

To the wider world it may be, and it's quite astonishing people should try to argue otherwise, but then this is PH