Cycle Event Marshals
Discussion
Gargamel said:
Why does anyone care !
What happened to live and let live, If people want to compete a sportive, or time trial on bikes, what is the problem ?
Why would anyone object ? Surely only the most contemptible would bother raising a complaint, it affects them in absolutely no way whatsoever.
The difference between, a cyclist, and a cyclist trying to go a bit quicker, is absolutely nothing.
If a marshal is present it is only to ensure safety, I am pretty sure even the most vehemently anti cyclist PHer doesn't actually want to run anyone over.
We used to have a culture that permitted most things, and expected reasonable and decent behavior. Now it seems self centered people just prefer to scream ban.
Have you ever seen someone who has been given a hi viz vest? they make Mussolini look like Gandhi, throw in a sign or flag as well and the mind boggles.What happened to live and let live, If people want to compete a sportive, or time trial on bikes, what is the problem ?
Why would anyone object ? Surely only the most contemptible would bother raising a complaint, it affects them in absolutely no way whatsoever.
The difference between, a cyclist, and a cyclist trying to go a bit quicker, is absolutely nothing.
If a marshal is present it is only to ensure safety, I am pretty sure even the most vehemently anti cyclist PHer doesn't actually want to run anyone over.
We used to have a culture that permitted most things, and expected reasonable and decent behavior. Now it seems self centered people just prefer to scream ban.
Edited by Gargamel on Tuesday 20th February 16:13
popeyewhite said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
Time triallers attempt to complete a course in as fast a time as possible, that's racing.
To the wider world it may be, and it's quite astonishing people should try to argue otherwise, but then this is PH 
Or do the great unwashed not know the difference between different principles?
Bacon Is Proof said:
No.
Loads of people agree with me.
You're right. To the masses who know nowt about motoring, "racing" is all the same.Loads of people agree with me.
How about regularity rallying though, where you're required to average a set speed, say 26.7mph, and arrive at a control point to the second (without stopping or unduly slowing within sight of the control)? Is that racing?
Gargamel said:
Why does anyone care !
What happened to live and let live, If people want to compete a sportive, or time trial on bikes, what is the problem ?
Why would anyone object ? Surely only the most contemptible would bother raising a complaint, it affects them in absolutely no way whatsoever.
The difference between, a cyclist, and a cyclist trying to go a bit quicker, is absolutely nothing.
If a marshal is present it is only to ensure safety, I am pretty sure even the most vehemently anti cyclist PHer doesn't actually want to run anyone over.
We used to have a culture that permitted most things, and expected reasonable and decent behavior. Now it seems self centered people just prefer to scream ban.
Good post. What happened to live and let live, If people want to compete a sportive, or time trial on bikes, what is the problem ?
Why would anyone object ? Surely only the most contemptible would bother raising a complaint, it affects them in absolutely no way whatsoever.
The difference between, a cyclist, and a cyclist trying to go a bit quicker, is absolutely nothing.
If a marshal is present it is only to ensure safety, I am pretty sure even the most vehemently anti cyclist PHer doesn't actually want to run anyone over.
We used to have a culture that permitted most things, and expected reasonable and decent behavior. Now it seems self centered people just prefer to scream ban.
TooMany2cvs said:
mickmcpaddy said:
After today's incident I've finally seen the light, driving down a country lane on the way home there are two of the "Cheshire set" type on horseback, complete with POLITE type hi viz. I was in the passenger seat and my mate was driving, we had to stop because we needed to get round a skip that was in the road so he wasn't doing any more than 15mph or so anyway when he set off again. He drove past the horses carefully and with no drama. Cue the most high pitched whiny horrible voice you have ever heard "SLOW DOWN" it was like an opera singer trying to break glass. That b
h on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.
Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete wkers*.
So, basically, you're a misanthropic old curmudgeon.h on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete w
kers*.- Now I'm sure many people who come on here will say they abide by the rules of the road and don't go through red lights, wait at zebra crossings and so forth, but I don't believe you, for the simple reason that even though I think cyclists that do things like this are some of the biggest pricks going, if I ever got a driving ban or had to use a bike for some other reason I would do it too, why would you not, the chances of getting caught are practically nil.
mickmcpaddy said:
After today's incident I've finally seen the light, driving down a country lane on the way home there are two of the "Cheshire set" type on horseback, complete with POLITE type hi viz. I was in the passenger seat and my mate was driving, we had to stop because we needed to get round a skip that was in the road so he wasn't doing any more than 15mph or so anyway when he set off again. He drove past the horses carefully and with no drama. Cue the most high pitched whiny horrible voice you have ever heard "SLOW DOWN" it was like an opera singer trying to break glass. That bh on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.
Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete wkers*.
Jesus wept...h on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete w
kers*.- Now I'm sure many people who come on here will say they abide by the rules of the road and don't go through red lights, wait at zebra crossings and so forth, but I don't believe you, for the simple reason that even though I think cyclists that do things like this are some of the biggest pricks going, if I ever got a driving ban or had to use a bike for some other reason I would do it too, why would you not, the chances of getting caught are practically nil.
Can you not see the mad hypocrisy in this?? Cyclists have a chip on their shoulder, and you don't?
Let me ask you a question: When you're driving do you ever break the speed limit?
BMWBen said:
Jesus wept...
Can you not see the mad hypocrisy in this?? Cyclists have a chip on their shoulder, and you don't?
Let me ask you a question: When you're driving do you ever break the speed limit?
All the while, because I can. But I think people that race about are pricks all the same. Cyclists are pricks because of the way they act, however as said I would ride the same way and so would everyone else, because they can.Can you not see the mad hypocrisy in this?? Cyclists have a chip on their shoulder, and you don't?
Let me ask you a question: When you're driving do you ever break the speed limit?
Ares said:
TooMany2cvs said:
mickmcpaddy said:
After today's incident I've finally seen the light, driving down a country lane on the way home there are two of the "Cheshire set" type on horseback, complete with POLITE type hi viz. I was in the passenger seat and my mate was driving, we had to stop because we needed to get round a skip that was in the road so he wasn't doing any more than 15mph or so anyway when he set off again. He drove past the horses carefully and with no drama. Cue the most high pitched whiny horrible voice you have ever heard "SLOW DOWN" it was like an opera singer trying to break glass. That bh on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.
Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete wkers*.
So, basically, you're a misanthropic old curmudgeon.h on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete w
kers*.- Now I'm sure many people who come on here will say they abide by the rules of the road and don't go through red lights, wait at zebra crossings and so forth, but I don't believe you, for the simple reason that even though I think cyclists that do things like this are some of the biggest pricks going, if I ever got a driving ban or had to use a bike for some other reason I would do it too, why would you not, the chances of getting caught are practically nil.
mickmcpaddy said:
TooMany2cvs said:
A limited vocabulary is not something to proud of.
Neither is being a stuck up ponce who thinks they are better than someone else.I've not read all the posts on here, but some people don't appear to have any patience, and I wonder if they have the mental capacity to be allowed on the road. That aside, I'll give some anecdotes of what I've observed over the years as a competitor and (sometimes) race marshal, which I hope will give some insight and amusement..............
Many years ago (time trial) myself and a fellow marshal position on a roundabout waved our arms (and anything else to hand) trying to get a motorist to stop - he ignored us and proceeded to exit the roundabout against the no-entry signs and straight down a slip road which took him into the oncoming traffic!
I was in a road race (not to be confuse with a time trial) which had Police outriders - A motorist (in renault 5 or similar which wasn't much faster than the riders) decided he'd come past most of the peleton and join in. One of the Police outriders swiftly sorted him out!
A time trial (25ml IIRC) was due to take place and rain was coming down hard. One tandem-riding team (due to start as one of the last) decided the conditions could be dangerous, so elected to marshal instead. They were positioned on one of the roundabouts, and during the race a Mercedes came too fast around the roundabout left the road and hit one of the marshals who ended up with a broken leg - he may have been safer if he'd ridden!
Now a question (which I ought to know the answer to, but I've never ridden a sportive)........ Are sportives regulated in any way? ps.Some members of the public call them 'races', but they aren't intended or advertised as such!
Many years ago (time trial) myself and a fellow marshal position on a roundabout waved our arms (and anything else to hand) trying to get a motorist to stop - he ignored us and proceeded to exit the roundabout against the no-entry signs and straight down a slip road which took him into the oncoming traffic!
I was in a road race (not to be confuse with a time trial) which had Police outriders - A motorist (in renault 5 or similar which wasn't much faster than the riders) decided he'd come past most of the peleton and join in. One of the Police outriders swiftly sorted him out!
A time trial (25ml IIRC) was due to take place and rain was coming down hard. One tandem-riding team (due to start as one of the last) decided the conditions could be dangerous, so elected to marshal instead. They were positioned on one of the roundabouts, and during the race a Mercedes came too fast around the roundabout left the road and hit one of the marshals who ended up with a broken leg - he may have been safer if he'd ridden!
Now a question (which I ought to know the answer to, but I've never ridden a sportive)........ Are sportives regulated in any way? ps.Some members of the public call them 'races', but they aren't intended or advertised as such!
gazza285 said:
So you broke Strava, six years before it was released, and the marshal put the evidence of you breaking Strava on Youtube, two years before Youtube went live. Shows how factual your stories are...
Using parody and over exaggeration to show how "precious" the poor lycra darlings and their over-empowered marshalls were. I'd have thought that was obvious to anyone with half a brain? It was to me and I've only a quarter.You know had the marshalls just asked nicely I bet 80% of peeps would have moved their cars / asked their visitors to just park on one side of the road but no, the attitude from the start that the cyclists owned the roads for racing on Sundays won a lot of enemies.
Anyway, others have noted this is an area inhabitted still it seems by Sunday lycra loonies. Could be a good Saturday night out with those tacks used in the Tour de France a few years ago - now that is cyclings saving grace (the TDF, not the tacks) and the looney who followed on a BMX / chopper a couple of years ago. Wouldn't mind that passing where I live.
In fact thinking about it I might pattent that, cycling racing but using 70s retro bikes like Choppers, Tomahawks, Grifters etc.
mickmcpaddy said:
BMWBen said:
Jesus wept...
Can you not see the mad hypocrisy in this?? Cyclists have a chip on their shoulder, and you don't?
Let me ask you a question: When you're driving do you ever break the speed limit?
All the while, because I can. But I think people that race about are pricks all the same. Cyclists are pricks because of the way they act, however as said I would ride the same way and so would everyone else, because they can.Can you not see the mad hypocrisy in this?? Cyclists have a chip on their shoulder, and you don't?
Let me ask you a question: When you're driving do you ever break the speed limit?
StanleyT said:
gazza285 said:
So you broke Strava, six years before it was released, and the marshal put the evidence of you breaking Strava on Youtube, two years before Youtube went live. Shows how factual your stories are...
Using parody and over exaggeration to show how "precious" the poor lycra darlings and their over-empowered marshalls were. I'd have thought that was obvious to anyone with half a brain? It was to me and I've only a quarter.head. I'll take it into account next time I read one of your posts.Fastpedeller said:
Now a question (which I ought to know the answer to, but I've never ridden a sportive)........ Are sportives regulated in any way? ps.Some members of the public call them 'races', but they aren't intended or advertised as such!
Not that I've seen. I have stopped riding in all but one sportives, the standard of riding usually falls a long way behind what I would like to see on the road. The main issue appears to be that some riders think it is a race as well...Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff