Cycle Event Marshals
Discussion
Fastpedeller said:
Now a question (which I ought to know the answer to, but I've never ridden a sportive)........ Are sportives regulated in any way? ps.Some members of the public call them 'races', but they aren't intended or advertised as such!
Yes. Varying degrees. Some to the minimum required for road use, most to BC rules. Some well in excess. Depends on the distance and numbers involved.People there are trying to get a good average time...but I've never been on one where anyone has ridden as if a race, even those on closed roads.
I haven't read the full thread but we get these cycling events right by me.
The problem I have is no one except the cyclists know when the race is on so locals trying to go about their business cannot avoid getting caught up in it. I did try and discuss with an organiser and the 'arrogant' response was it was on facebook so that was enough, well it isn't and they would do a lot better to stick a notice in the local church magazine.
Add to that I have been faced with a peleton well across the white line on several occasions causing cars to brake suddenly and unexpectedly on a 60mph road.
These people do not treat the locals with any respect and just think they are terminally entitled and then wonder why people don't like them, a bit of courtesey and respect goes a long way.
P.S. I am assuming they wonder why but in truth I don't think they care at all.
The problem I have is no one except the cyclists know when the race is on so locals trying to go about their business cannot avoid getting caught up in it. I did try and discuss with an organiser and the 'arrogant' response was it was on facebook so that was enough, well it isn't and they would do a lot better to stick a notice in the local church magazine.
Add to that I have been faced with a peleton well across the white line on several occasions causing cars to brake suddenly and unexpectedly on a 60mph road.
These people do not treat the locals with any respect and just think they are terminally entitled and then wonder why people don't like them, a bit of courtesey and respect goes a long way.
P.S. I am assuming they wonder why but in truth I don't think they care at all.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th February 22:23
I was more or less right.
Peloton Rider
An individual who will never excel or stand out from the crowd. A follower who will always be led by world around him.
Derived from the Tour de France.
You'll always be second best, you "peloton rider."
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pe...
Peloton Rider
An individual who will never excel or stand out from the crowd. A follower who will always be led by world around him.
Derived from the Tour de France.
You'll always be second best, you "peloton rider."
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pe...
mickmcpaddy said:
I was more or less right.
Peloton Rider
An individual who will never excel or stand out from the crowd. A follower who will always be led by world around him.
Derived from the Tour de France.
You'll always be second best, you "peloton rider."
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pe...
Ah, so should I have called gaz a Peleton rider as I thought he was a csytclist? (Not aimed at you gaz, just learning what level TdF / Giro / pro / amat / marshall / sunday / lycra / coz Strava iniktwPeloton Rider
An individual who will never excel or stand out from the crowd. A follower who will always be led by world around him.
Derived from the Tour de France.
You'll always be second best, you "peloton rider."
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pe...
kez/ mamils / Peleton lies at).mickmcpaddy said:
What is this peleton I keep reading? I literally never heard this word before yet its been mentioned about 50 times in this thread.
I'm guessing it means a collection or group of wkers.
Anyhow, I note that you haven’t responded to my original question, which does at least relate in part to your original post. I’m genuinely interested in your opinion, so I will repeat it here...I'm guessing it means a collection or group of w
kers.‘given this is a car specific forum, it is reasonable to assume you are a car enthusiast, and also only a short step to assume you like, watch or participate in motorsport.
So once again, what’s your opinion on the recent ruling allowing road closures for motorsports events (which will be a lot more hassle to a lot more people than a few seconds wait at a roundabout as a reasonably decent person accommodating other people’s hobbies)?’
Am on tenterhooks (whatever they are)
heebeegeetee said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
No.
Loads of people agree with me.
You're right. To the masses who know nowt about motoring, "racing" is all the same.Loads of people agree with me.
How about regularity rallying though, where you're required to average a set speed, say 26.7mph, and arrive at a control point to the second (without stopping or unduly slowing within sight of the control)? Is that racing?
Hats off to mickmcpaddy for some top quality trolling, btw.
Is it really possible to carry out a cycling time trial on public roads while complying with the rules of the road and traffic laws with any meaningful result?
Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
hutchst said:
Is it really possible to carry out a cycling time trial on public roads while complying with the rules of the road and traffic laws with any meaningful result?
Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
Lots of left turns and avoid routes with traffic lights?Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
hutchst said:
Is it really possible to carry out a cycling time trial on public roads while complying with the rules of the road and traffic laws with any meaningful result?
Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
Yes, very easy to do..... usually on quite wide roads (so motor vehicles can easily pass) which are relatively flat with no junctions/traffic lights/pedestrians sometimes with one roundabout at one end.Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
5 miles out around the roundabout (usually with a Marshall who will shout at cyclists if not clear) and then 5 miles back.
gottans said:
I haven't read the full thread but we get these cycling events right by me.
The problem I have is no one except the cyclists know when the race is on so locals trying to go about their business cannot avoid getting caught up in it. I did try and discuss with an organiser and the 'arrogant' response was it was on facebook so that was enough, well it isn't and they would do a lot better to stick a notice in the local church magazine.
Add to that I have been faced with a peleton well across the white line on several occasions causing cars to brake suddenly and unexpectedly on a 60mph road.
These people do not treat the locals with any respect and just think they are terminally entitled and then wonder why people don't like them, a bit of courtesey and respect goes a long way.
P.S. I am assuming they wonder why but in truth I don't think they care at all.
If it's actually a race and not a sportive, then there should be a commissar following the group in a car who will disqualify any riders seen riding on the wrong side of white lines. If it's a sportive, then well... it's up to the police because it's just people riding around with an agreed route and communal food points. Much like if a bunch of lads go for a cruise in their cars and break the rules.The problem I have is no one except the cyclists know when the race is on so locals trying to go about their business cannot avoid getting caught up in it. I did try and discuss with an organiser and the 'arrogant' response was it was on facebook so that was enough, well it isn't and they would do a lot better to stick a notice in the local church magazine.
Add to that I have been faced with a peleton well across the white line on several occasions causing cars to brake suddenly and unexpectedly on a 60mph road.
These people do not treat the locals with any respect and just think they are terminally entitled and then wonder why people don't like them, a bit of courtesey and respect goes a long way.
P.S. I am assuming they wonder why but in truth I don't think they care at all.
Edited by gottans on Tuesday 20th February 22:23
hutchst said:
Is it really possible to carry out a cycling time trial on public roads while complying with the rules of the road and traffic laws with any meaningful result?
Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
Hilarious Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
hutchst said:
Is it really possible to carry out a cycling time trial on public roads while complying with the rules of the road and traffic laws with any meaningful result?
Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
I assume you live in a city Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
Time trial courses are chosen specifically to avoid any of that kind of thing.You can look them all up on https://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/find-a-course
Here's my local course:
https://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/course-detail...
As you can see it goes around a roundabout where you'll have priority over any traffic you encounter, then only makes left turns. The 1 point where you're turning left from a minor road to major road there's a marshal who keeps an eye on the traffic and lets the rider know if it's clear, or tells them so they can slow smoothly if it's not (there's only ever a few cars on the main road anyway at the time the TTs are run). This is a complex/sporting course - most open TTs are run up and down an A road so are even easier from that point of view.
Edited by BMWBen on Wednesday 21st February 08:54
mickmcpaddy said:
BMWBen said:
Jesus wept...
Can you not see the mad hypocrisy in this?? Cyclists have a chip on their shoulder, and you don't?
Let me ask you a question: When you're driving do you ever break the speed limit?
All the while, because I can. But I think people that race about are pricks all the same. Cyclists are pricks because of the way they act, however as said I would ride the same way and so would everyone else, because they can.Can you not see the mad hypocrisy in this?? Cyclists have a chip on their shoulder, and you don't?
Let me ask you a question: When you're driving do you ever break the speed limit?
And yet if a cyclist were to give that same answer to the question "do you ignore red traffic lights?" they'd get pounced on by powerfully built director types wanting to hammer frozen Red Bull into their MX-5s or something...
You must be a prick. I have deduced as much from your own statement "I think people that race about are pricks all the same". Because, to any reasonable person (the legal test for such things), anyone choosing to exceed the speed limit could justifiably be described as "racing about"...
...so someone speeding at 100 mph down a dual carriageway would not be described as "a prick" in most SP&TL threads on the subject. On the contrary, if caught and prosecuted such a person might be described as "unfortunate" or "a victim of money-grabbing, revenue raising interfering busybodies without proper jobs". Yet a bicycle rider 'racing' at 30 mph along a NSL 'A' road? He's "a prick" based solely on the fact that he's "racing".
yellowjack said:
"All the while, because I can"
And yet if a cyclist were to give that same answer to the question "do you ignore red traffic lights?" they'd get pounced on by powerfully built director types wanting to hammer frozen Red Bull into their MX-5s or something...
You must be a prick. I have deduced as much from your own statement "I think people that race about are pricks all the same". Because, to any reasonable person (the legal test for such things), anyone choosing to exceed the speed limit could justifiably be described as "racing about"...
...so someone speeding at 100 mph down a dual carriageway would not be described as "a prick" in most SP&TL threads on the subject. On the contrary, if caught and prosecuted such a person might be described as "unfortunate" or "a victim of money-grabbing, revenue raising interfering busybodies without proper jobs". Yet a bicycle rider 'racing' at 30 mph along a NSL 'A' road? He's "a prick" based solely on the fact that he's "racing".
And yet if a cyclist were to give that same answer to the question "do you ignore red traffic lights?" they'd get pounced on by powerfully built director types wanting to hammer frozen Red Bull into their MX-5s or something...
You must be a prick. I have deduced as much from your own statement "I think people that race about are pricks all the same". Because, to any reasonable person (the legal test for such things), anyone choosing to exceed the speed limit could justifiably be described as "racing about"...
...so someone speeding at 100 mph down a dual carriageway would not be described as "a prick" in most SP&TL threads on the subject. On the contrary, if caught and prosecuted such a person might be described as "unfortunate" or "a victim of money-grabbing, revenue raising interfering busybodies without proper jobs". Yet a bicycle rider 'racing' at 30 mph along a NSL 'A' road? He's "a prick" based solely on the fact that he's "racing".
Speed matters only for cars; everyone else is a prick.hutchst said:
Is it really possible to carry out a cycling time trial on public roads while complying with the rules of the road and traffic laws with any meaningful result?
Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
For time trials, they typically use routes without traffic lights.Wouldn't your time be more a result of how many red traffic lights you stop at or roundabouts where you have to give way to other traffic, or pedestrians on crossings, rather than how fast you can pedal?
Sportives are a different matter, but they are not competitive (or at least officially...)
BMWBen said:
If it's actually a race and not a sportive, then there should be a commissar following the group in a car who will disqualify any riders seen riding on the wrong side of white lines.
Didn't this happen in last years Tour of Britain?The road was fully closed with a Police rolling road block/outriders etc, quite a narrow road, the peloton being controlled by one of the teams so spread out across the width of the road but then two riders who didn't want to be controlled hopped onto the pavement to get past.
IIRC the peloton were fine to be riding across the road, the controlling team were OK to effectively be blocking the road but the two who went on the pavement were instantly disqualified.
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