Cycle Event Marshals
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mickmcpaddy said:
After today's incident I've finally seen the light, driving down a country lane on the way home there are two of the "Cheshire set" type on horseback, complete with POLITE type hi viz. I was in the passenger seat and my mate was driving, we had to stop because we needed to get round a skip that was in the road so he wasn't doing any more than 15mph or so anyway when he set off again. He drove past the horses carefully and with no drama. Cue the most high pitched whiny horrible voice you have ever heard "SLOW DOWN" it was like an opera singer trying to break glass. That b
h on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.
Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete wkers*.
Try being less angry, makes life so much more enjoyable.h on horseback was after an argument no matter what, she got one as well as my mate slammed on and jumped out.Now it got me thinking, if I drove down a similar road and there were a couple of horses wandering down the lane without riders it wouldn't bother me at all, I would gingerly go round them so not to spook them, and they could stay on the roads all day for me.
What I want is the horrible self righteous dick heads that think they own everything in sight to be kicked off the road, not the horse itself. And its the same with cyclists, I believe the majority have the same condescending attitude as horse riders, certainly most of the ones I have seen seem to have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another, arrogantly pushing through traffic and red lights etc.
So its not because I think cyclists don't have any rights to be on the road that they shouldn't be allowed to have organised races, its because generally people who ride bikes I perceive as complete w
kers*.- Now I'm sure many people who come on here will say they abide by the rules of the road and don't go through red lights, wait at zebra crossings and so forth, but I don't believe you, for the simple reason that even though I think cyclists that do things like this are some of the biggest pricks going, if I ever got a driving ban or had to use a bike for some other reason I would do it too, why would you not, the chances of getting caught are practically nil.
How do you get on when 2 lanes are merging into one? Bet you have some stories to tell
heebeegeetee said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
ducks the subject
Whether it's down to deliberate misrepresentation or just shockingly low levels of comprehension, that meme is going to save me a lot of typing.
Why not just answer the question(s)?Whether it's down to deliberate misrepresentation or just shockingly low levels of comprehension, that meme is going to save me a lot of typing.
How do you know that time trialing detracts from safety? Where's your evidence? Personally I struggle to see why it would be unsafe, and certainly nowhere near as unsafe as other legal activities on the roads, so why not explain why you want safe activities to be banned?
I'm liking the leap of logic from opinion to fact, but I shall once again refer you to my first post.
You ask for evidence yet ignore the fact that the authorities are looking at realistically banning the UK's most famous time trial due to safety concerns.
The time trialler that killed themselves cycling into a stationary caravan, why do you think that happened?
Bacon Is Proof said:
I'm trying to keep it on subject.
I'm liking the leap of logic from opinion to fact, but I shall once again refer you to my first post.
You ask for evidence yet ignore the fact that the authorities are looking at realistically banning the UK's most famous time trial due to safety concerns.
The time trialler that killed themselves cycling into a stationary caravan, why do you think that happened?
Well, you haven't linked to your first post not repeated it, and I can't be bothered looking through 13 pages (on my settings) to find it, and of course I'm not likely to be able to remember it.I'm liking the leap of logic from opinion to fact, but I shall once again refer you to my first post.
You ask for evidence yet ignore the fact that the authorities are looking at realistically banning the UK's most famous time trial due to safety concerns.
The time trialler that killed themselves cycling into a stationary caravan, why do you think that happened?
You've answered my questions with a question which I'll answer, perhaps then you'll answer mine?
Firstly, vehicles running into the back of the vehicle in front is possibly the most common form of accident. Vehicles run into the back of stationary queues of traffic, for no good reason. Cars crash into trees and buildings on a regular basis.
There are some 180,000+ road casualties each year, with some 24,000 killed or seriously injured. The reasons for these are manyfold and complex. A few of these will be cyclists. It's not unusual for cyclists to be plain run down from behind, with varying reasons given why these happen. One time triallist was Cathy Ward, a 52 yr old mother of two who was just plain run down from behind by a young driver, in conditions of perfect visibility. The driver was unable to offer any reason why he had done so. http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/killer-driver-es...
We're a nation of 65 million people, with some 40 million+ using the roads every day. Some 13,500 people die in the UK every day.
Given these rather large figures, are you seriously suggesting that the death of one person is a reason to ban an activity?
Surely you can see that with this line of thinking, there must be a large number of activities that must be in line first. As I said, motor cycling casualty rates are in a totally different league form every other road user, so on that basis, why are you seeking to ban a safe activity and not seeking to ban something like motor cycling?
To answer your question, I don't know why a cyclist ran into a caravan any more than I know why anyone runs into anything https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=car+crashes+into... but at least a cyclist is only likely to hurt himself, whereas those drivers who crash into all and sundry tend to hurt others.
Almost 26,000 posts and you haven't worked out that it would take but three clicks to arrive at my first post, the one you have already quoted?
Back of the class!
I am surprised that you cannot come up with any suggestion as to why that time trialler may have hit a stationary object, you certainly don't seem to have any trouble using your imagination when drawing conclusions from my posts!
<insert turbobelm jpeg here>
Back of the class!
I am surprised that you cannot come up with any suggestion as to why that time trialler may have hit a stationary object, you certainly don't seem to have any trouble using your imagination when drawing conclusions from my posts!
HBGT said:
why are you seeking to ban a safe activity
I'm not you ambiwlans. <insert turbobelm jpeg here>
Gargamel said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
heebeegeetee said:
Speed matters only for cars; everyone else is a prick.It's a message of unity.
p1esk said:
Harewood, between Leeds and Harrogate, also used to have hillclimb events, and maybe still do, for all I know.
- http://www.harewoodhill.co.uk/news/132/harewood-da...TooMany2cvs said:
p1esk said:
The matter of safety - or the lack of it - in the Mille Miglia is a quite separate matter. In fact I thought the event had been dropped following fatalities in the 1957 event. The name De Portago springs to mind, but that might be wrong.
No, you're bob-on. Fon de Portago, his co-driver, and nine spectators including five kids.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bAbt20Wabc
Talk about life in the fast lane...
https://therake.com/stories/icons/full-marquis-alf...
http://theesotericcuriosa.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/m...
There are some pretty steep hills not all that far from me.
One in particular seems to be a favourite location for TdF look alikes.
Particularly on Sunday mornings
It's about 1.2 miles long bottom to top and the further up you go, the steeper it gets.
A not very wide B road with blind bends, some of them off camber.
I think the most I have been held up waiting to execute a safe pass is around 10 seconds.
That's hardly going to have a major impact on my weekend.
I don't know why so many drivers seem to get so hot and bothered about something so trivial.
It completely depends on how it is advertised and run.
In my home town I had been away for a month with work and came home to my whole street blocked and no space left to park. I had 50 kilos of luggage and I spoke to a chap manning the barrier, he called a few people to check where the cyclists were and happily let me through but said I’d be restricted coming out for 2 hours or so. Very polite and all handled well.
When working in St Helens I was at Pilkingtons and staying at a premier Inn a few miles away. Sections of dual carriageway were used by the race/ trial and it was ridiculous. Cyclists crossing the line, cutting across the lane at the roundabout and generally being very inconsiderate and unaware of what they were doing. So many staring at their top tubes going flat out.
I’ve no objections to a well run cycling route, adds a bit of colour to the town but it has to be run considerately and not with an attitude that it’s legal so go funk your urself.
I sense that for some unless they have a private road between house, shops and work then the rest of the world will always get in the way
I think it was in St Helens where the guy rode straight into the back of a Tractor unit on a time trial didn’t he ?
Dave!
In my home town I had been away for a month with work and came home to my whole street blocked and no space left to park. I had 50 kilos of luggage and I spoke to a chap manning the barrier, he called a few people to check where the cyclists were and happily let me through but said I’d be restricted coming out for 2 hours or so. Very polite and all handled well.
When working in St Helens I was at Pilkingtons and staying at a premier Inn a few miles away. Sections of dual carriageway were used by the race/ trial and it was ridiculous. Cyclists crossing the line, cutting across the lane at the roundabout and generally being very inconsiderate and unaware of what they were doing. So many staring at their top tubes going flat out.
I’ve no objections to a well run cycling route, adds a bit of colour to the town but it has to be run considerately and not with an attitude that it’s legal so go funk your urself.
I sense that for some unless they have a private road between house, shops and work then the rest of the world will always get in the way
I think it was in St Helens where the guy rode straight into the back of a Tractor unit on a time trial didn’t he ?
Dave!
Bacon Is Proof said:
1. Almost 26,000 posts and you haven't worked out that it would take but three clicks to arrive at my first post, the one you have already quoted?
Back of the class!
2. I am surprised that you cannot come up with any suggestion as to why that time trialler may have hit a stationary object, you certainly don't seem to have any trouble using your imagination when drawing conclusions from my posts!
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1. I have always been at the back of the class when it comes to matters of IT and technology. I'm only on Facebook because of the business, otherwise PH is the sum content of my social media. Back of the class!
2. I am surprised that you cannot come up with any suggestion as to why that time trialler may have hit a stationary object, you certainly don't seem to have any trouble using your imagination when drawing conclusions from my posts!
HBGT said:
why are you seeking to ban a safe activity
3. I'm not you ambiwlans. <insert turbobelm jpeg here>
So I struggle with IT, but on the other hand, from what I read on these forums I do not struggle as much as others with driving a motor car on the public roads. I mean, what on earth can be the issue with overtaking individual cyclists, fer chrissakes?
2. Well, I 'd suggest he wasn't looking where he was going, as millions of people sadly do, but it's got nothing to do with time trialing. I presume that driving or riding whilst not looking is already banned, so what's the issue?
3. You clearly are, you've staid that time trialing in it's form today should be stopped. People do come croppers when partaking in exercise or activities, but it's ludicrous to suggest the activity should be banned every time what would we be left with, and why want to ban something so safe?
One of my best mates, his next-door neighbour rode his motorcycle into the back of stationary truck and killed himself, leaving behind a wife and two small children. He was on his way back from a track day at Mallory Park. So what would you want to ban from that Bacon, motor cycling, track days or both?
Mr2Mike said:
Ares said:
More/less unnecessary than your supermarket run?
That's a pretty terrible example, it's obviously less necessary then purchasing food. Without food food, people starve. How many people would die from lack of cycling events?How many people have died through even an hour's delay in getting to Waitrose?
Bacon actually said:
I'd much rather see time trials run on closed roads, especially as I ride more miles than drive
Which is a far cry fromHBGT pretended Bacon said:
BAN ALL TIME TRIALS!!!
You've been here too long for it to be the half-term effect, I can only imagine that senility is kicking in.There is no point trying to discuss something with someone who will not listen, so from now on I will only respond using pictures.
heebeegeetee said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
ducks the subject
Whether it's down to deliberate misrepresentation or just shockingly low levels of comprehension, that meme is going to save me a lot of typing.
Why not just answer the question(s)?Whether it's down to deliberate misrepresentation or just shockingly low levels of comprehension, that meme is going to save me a lot of typing.
How do you know that time trialing detracts from safety? Where's your evidence? Personally I struggle to see why it would be unsafe, and certainly nowhere near as unsafe as other legal activities on the roads, so why not explain why you want safe activities to be banned?
All he has is an irrational hatred for cyclists. He can try and dress it up with factual or objective 'evidence', but there is none. He just hates them like a child hates sprouts, only with less rationale and more vitriol.
Ares said:
So you were facing death by not getting to that supermarket right then? A 60 second delay would have been fatal?
How many people have died through even an hour's delay in getting to Waitrose?
Unfortunately we just don't know the answer, maybe someone should do a F of I request.How many people have died through even an hour's delay in getting to Waitrose?
Would they have information on individual supermarkets or would it just be a group thing?
NGee said:
Ares said:
So you were facing death by not getting to that supermarket right then? A 60 second delay would have been fatal?
How many people have died through even an hour's delay in getting to Waitrose?
Unfortunately we just don't know the answer, maybe someone should do a F of I request.How many people have died through even an hour's delay in getting to Waitrose?
Would they have information on individual supermarkets or would it just be a group thing?
<pause>
Asked her. She said no-one ever has. She also added don't be so f
king stupid and waste her time, she's got important st to do at Sleep Hollow, getting spring ready and stuff.
Ares said:
NGee said:
Ares said:
So you were facing death by not getting to that supermarket right then? A 60 second delay would have been fatal?
How many people have died through even an hour's delay in getting to Waitrose?
Unfortunately we just don't know the answer, maybe someone should do a F of I request.How many people have died through even an hour's delay in getting to Waitrose?
Would they have information on individual supermarkets or would it just be a group thing?
<pause>
Asked her. She said no-one ever has. She also added don't be so f
king stupid and waste her time, she's got important st to do at Sleep Hollow, getting spring ready and stuff.surveyor_101 said:
This usual anti cyclist thread then.
Rather there were more cars own the road instead would people?
Yoda is among us!Rather there were more cars own the road instead would people?
Sadly you've missed the point completely. We are talking about Time Trials and Road Races.
These do not reduce the number of cars on the as the journeys made in these events would not be made at all, otherwise.
In fact, they do nothing but increase congestion and the associated pollution (as a result of motorists having to slow down and then speed up again to overtake them).
Edited by LG9k on Friday 23 February 14:11
yonex said:
mickmcpaddy said:
What is this peleton I keep reading? I literally never heard this word before yet its been mentioned about 50 times in this thread.
I'm guessing it means a collection or group of wkers.
You're a bit of a thicko really. I'm guessing it means a collection or group of w
kers.mickmcpaddy said:
I dont reply to fancy stuck up words because I cant be arsed to find out what they mean
LG9k said:
Yoda is among us!
Sadly you've missed the point completely. We are talking about Time Trials and Road Races.
These do not reduce the number of cars on the as the journeys made in these events would not be made at all, otherwise.
In fact, they do nothing but increase congestion and the associated pollution (as a result of motorists having to slow down and then speed up again to overtake them).
Yes, scanning through it was the usual bash the cyclist, they all jump red lights and don't pay tax tripe.Sadly you've missed the point completely. We are talking about Time Trials and Road Races.
These do not reduce the number of cars on the as the journeys made in these events would not be made at all, otherwise.
In fact, they do nothing but increase congestion and the associated pollution (as a result of motorists having to slow down and then speed up again to overtake them).
Edited by LG9k on Friday 23 February 14:11
Notionally I suppose, however again those cycling might otherwise be driving somewhere.
We have to share the roads with cyclist and horse riders it's not an option. I think the issue is patience and courtesy are dying. Refuse collector is now a dangerous occupation with people driving at you and people moaning they can't wait or 2 minutes for the lorry.
Everyone seems to be steaming around with no time that's the issue.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/cc...
TooMany2cvs said:
yonex said:
mickmcpaddy said:
What is this peleton I keep reading? I literally never heard this word before yet its been mentioned about 50 times in this thread.
I'm guessing it means a collection or group of wkers.
You're a bit of a thicko really. I'm guessing it means a collection or group of w
kers.mickmcpaddy said:
I dont reply to fancy stuck up words because I cant be arsed to find out what they mean
Makes me wonder how some of these people exist in day to day life, such struggles to contend with
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