A total waste of the criminal justice system
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Nice to see our trusty Police force coming down on all these hardened criminals, borrowed from the bikers forum.
https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2529636/video...
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60, is there really nothing else to be focusing on, violent crime, theft, drug use?
It's a total joke. I am sure North Yorkshire Police are very proud of themselves.
https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2529636/video...
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60, is there really nothing else to be focusing on, violent crime, theft, drug use?
It's a total joke. I am sure North Yorkshire Police are very proud of themselves.
La Liga said:
What alternative do you suggest when someone is perverting the course of justice?
Why should he be able to get out of an FPN?
Autobahn etc.
Well the Police/CPS could take a look at themselves and ask what they are there to acheive?Why should he be able to get out of an FPN?
Autobahn etc.
Both the plod and crimminal protection service need to realise that they are public servants and don't exist to make themselves look good but to serve the public.
If a Sergeant or Inspector had simply visited the biker and told him to both curtail his speeding and most importantly stop being a
by concealing his number plate then the vast majority of the public would have a lot more respect for the Police.A simple 'OK, you beat the speeding ticket this time but we could f
k you into the middle of next week if we wanted to' would actually work better, don't assume that every member of the public is as stupid as the average plod. Assumption is the mother of all f
k ups as we like to say in the engineering industryAs it is the Police/CPS look like petulant and vindictive little school boys upset by anyone daring to question their 'rules'
For the record I was at the age of 18 told by a old school copper that 'You have a nice bike and good leathers so don't f
k it all up the wall by riding like a !' Excellent Policing done well to be honest, if the Police these days possesed sufficient intelligence, judgement and given the lattitude to drop the 'F' bomb on motorists now and again then they wouldn't be held in such contempt.
If you La Liga can't understand such a simple concept then you're a perfect illustration of all that is wrong with the modern Policing method.
yonex said:
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60
I suspect the suspended sentence was for the att to pervert. So fair enough. Get caught speeding then either put your hands up and take the points or illegally try and avoid it and take the bigger punishment when caught.Tango13 said:
La Liga said:
What alternative do you suggest when someone is perverting the course of justice?
Why should he be able to get out of an FPN?
Autobahn etc.
Well the Police/CPS could take a look at themselves and ask what they are there to acheive?Why should he be able to get out of an FPN?
Autobahn etc.
Both the plod and crimminal protection service need to realise that they are public servants and don't exist to make themselves look good but to serve the public.
If a Sergeant or Inspector had simply visited the biker and told him to both curtail his speeding and most importantly stop being a
by concealing his number plate then the vast majority of the public would have a lot more respect for the Police.A simple 'OK, you beat the speeding ticket this time but we could f
k you into the middle of next week if we wanted to' would actually work better, don't assume that every member of the public is as stupid as the average plod. Assumption is the mother of all f
k ups as we like to say in the engineering industryAs it is the Police/CPS look like petulant and vindictive little school boys upset by anyone daring to question their 'rules'
For the record I was at the age of 18 told by a old school copper that 'You have a nice bike and good leathers so don't f
k it all up the wall by riding like a !' Excellent Policing done well to be honest, if the Police these days possesed sufficient intelligence, judgement and given the lattitude to drop the 'F' bomb on motorists now and again then they wouldn't be held in such contempt.
If you La Liga can't understand such a simple concept then you're a perfect illustration of all that is wrong with the modern Policing method.
We're on a motoring enthusiasts forum & even here the majority posting so far don't agree with you, let alone the wider population.
Perverting the course of justice must be seen to be punished hard to deter others. If you think about it, how many others will read that story and think twice about doing it themselves?
Of course, if you really, really think about it, the you'll realise that hiding identity, such as false plates etc, are used in many crimes. Including drug related offences. So, ironically, in clamping down on this behaviour and deterring PcJ offences, they are doing something to tackle 'real crime'.
Of course, if you really, really think about it, the you'll realise that hiding identity, such as false plates etc, are used in many crimes. Including drug related offences. So, ironically, in clamping down on this behaviour and deterring PcJ offences, they are doing something to tackle 'real crime'.
berlintaxi said:
I'm sure they are, they tracked down and successfully prosecuted someone with initially very little information to go on.
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. I think 'perverting the course of justice' is a bit strong? Evading a NIP through counter-intelligence subterfuge is what it was! Would pushing the bike back and out of sight also be a perversion?
Still guess they had him as he had actually committed an offence - no tears for him here - well other than for the leathers he binned at a grand cost no doubt! Its right he got done or we would all be at it!
Still guess they had him as he had actually committed an offence - no tears for him here - well other than for the leathers he binned at a grand cost no doubt! Its right he got done or we would all be at it!
yonex said:
Nice to see our trusty Police force coming down on all these hardened criminals, borrowed from the bikers forum.
https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2529636/video...
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60, is there really nothing else to be focusing on, violent crime, theft, drug use?
It's a total joke. I am sure North Yorkshire Police are very proud of themselves.
When Mr Biker Not-So-Smarty-Pants stopped the bike and covered his number plate up it changed the offence from speeding to Perverting Public Justice AND speeding. So well done to the police.https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2529636/video...
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60, is there really nothing else to be focusing on, violent crime, theft, drug use?
It's a total joke. I am sure North Yorkshire Police are very proud of themselves.
If they had shrugged their shoulders and said “fair enough, you’ve got us there smart lad” then he would be telling all his mates of his new fool-proof trick to beat the cops wouldn’t he.
So after thispolice action there won’t be a load of bikers from Bolton tearing up the road between Hawes and Ingleton this summer with their number plates covered up.
yonex said:
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60, is there really nothing else to be focusing on, violent crime, theft, drug use?
Saw that and though fk me they're getting a bit heavy here, then read what he actually got done for 
You must write for the one of the papers. 
With regards to the actual offence, he was pretty stupid so I'd say it was fairly well deserved tbh. Might make him think twice next time.
Tango13 said:
Both the plod and crimminal protection service need to realise that they are public servants and don't exist to make themselves look good but to serve the public.
I couldn't speak for the remit of the CPS these days the police aren't public servants, they're crown servants and they are there to serve the law and uphold the Queen's peace. They are not there to serve the public. That whole 'without fear or favour' thing means that the law will be upheld whether or not the public like it. The fact that you can expect some discretion to be applied for a minor indiscretion on the roads is just good fortune, really. Tango13 said:
Well the Police/CPS could take a look at themselves and ask what they are there to acheive?
Detection and prevention of crime. Tango13 said:
Both the plod and crimminal protection service need to realise that they are public servants and don't exist to make themselves look good but to serve the public.
Where are you concluding they're trying to make themselves look good? Tango13 said:
If a Sergeant or Inspector had simply visited the biker and told him to both curtail his speeding and most importantly stop being a by concealing his number plate then the vast majority of the public would have a lot more respect for the Police.
Discretion is an option, but I don't think it's appropriate for an offence which attracts a custodial sentence. by concealing his number plate then the vast majority of the public would have a lot more respect for the Police."The vast majority would have a lot more respect for the police" - really? What are you basing that on? Perhaps such actions result in greater respect as people don't tend to like others getting away with things they have to do.
Either way, both our views are speculative.
Tango13 said:
A simple 'OK, you beat the speeding ticket this time but we could fk you into the middle of next week if we wanted to' would actually work better, don't assume that every member of the public is as stupid as the average plod.
Would it work better? By what measure? k you into the middle of next week if we wanted to' would actually work better, don't assume that every member of the public is as stupid as the average plod.Tango13 said:
Assumption is the mother of all fk ups as we like to say in the engineering industry
Does that include assumptions as to the apparent motive of the police and CPS (making themselves look good), that people would have more respect for the police if they did what you thought, and that it would 'work better'? k ups as we like to say in the engineering industryTango13 said:
As it is the Police/CPS look like petulant and vindictive little school boys upset by anyone daring to question their 'rules'
Perhaps the opposite to others. Tango13 said:
For the record I was at the age of 18 told by a old school copper that 'You have a nice bike and good leathers so don't fk it all up the wall by riding like a !'
Excellent Policing done well to be honest, if the Police these days possesed sufficient intelligence, judgement and given the lattitude to drop the 'F' bomb on motorists now and again then they wouldn't be held in such contempt.
Advice / discretion where appropriate using language appropriate for the audience. Happens all the time. k it all up the wall by riding like a !' Excellent Policing done well to be honest, if the Police these days possesed sufficient intelligence, judgement and given the lattitude to drop the 'F' bomb on motorists now and again then they wouldn't be held in such contempt.
Tango13 said:
If you La Liga can't understand such a simple concept then you're a perfect illustration of all that is wrong with the modern Policing method.
The only thing that appears simple is you think your world view is the right / effective one. DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
Except we don't know if there's more going on in the background with that topic. The police don't tend to share intelligence / evidence gathering / planned operations etc with the public.
yonex said:
Nice to see our trusty Police force coming down on all these hardened criminals, borrowed from the bikers forum.
https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2529636/video...
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60, is there really nothing else to be focusing on, violent crime, theft, drug use?
It's a total joke. I am sure North Yorkshire Police are very proud of themselves.
Perverting the course of justice is a serious offence and I for one want the police to go out prosecuting people who deliberately cover their number plates. https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2529636/video...
A 9 month suspended sentence and clocking up court time for 86/60, is there really nothing else to be focusing on, violent crime, theft, drug use?
It's a total joke. I am sure North Yorkshire Police are very proud of themselves.
As for the other posts about police getting more respect if they'd just had a word with the lad, what a load of rubbish. Your opinion would still be the same as you'd find something else to slag them off about.
The default 'logic' that often crops up when someone disagrees with a course of action / prosecution is basically, "That shouldn't happen because there are more serious things happening". Naturally, the thresholds for 'serious' and 'not serious enough to spend time on' are defined by that poster.
It tends to fall apart when you extrapolate it i.e. do we ignore low-level theft because there are majors frauds undetected? Or low-level assaults because there are GBHs undetected? Ignore mobile phone use because there are death by dangerous driving matters undetected? It's not a binary matter.
It tends to fall apart when you extrapolate it i.e. do we ignore low-level theft because there are majors frauds undetected? Or low-level assaults because there are GBHs undetected? Ignore mobile phone use because there are death by dangerous driving matters undetected? It's not a binary matter.
Meh, guy tried to pull a fast one and it backfired, biting him in the arse. Serves him right. Moral of the story - if you mess up, take the consequences.
As for "More serious crime attitude", how did the Police know that bike had insurance, MOT, wasn't stolen etc? I'd want the Police to look into any vehicle not showing a plate. Would the same attitude apply I wonder if a vehicle showing no plate had hit them or their car?
As for "More serious crime attitude", how did the Police know that bike had insurance, MOT, wasn't stolen etc? I'd want the Police to look into any vehicle not showing a plate. Would the same attitude apply I wonder if a vehicle showing no plate had hit them or their car?
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