When are the police obliged to come out?
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If I call the police and report my car being being broken into, they won't come out but they offer to let me take a day off work and take the car to them so they can take a look at it 
If it is criminal damage to my house or theft from my house are they obliged to come out?
If so, why not when it is criminal damage to a car?
Is there actually a law stating that car crime should not be attended or is it just new operating procedures..(or non operating procedures in this case)?.
In the states, the cops come out to you to take a report if you are a victim of theft, but not here any more.
If there is a law stating that motorists specifically are not entitled to police support, shouldn't we motorists get a reduction in council tax cos I am paying the police for something...
Just curious.
If it is criminal damage to my house or theft from my house are they obliged to come out?
If so, why not when it is criminal damage to a car?
Is there actually a law stating that car crime should not be attended or is it just new operating procedures..(or non operating procedures in this case)?.
In the states, the cops come out to you to take a report if you are a victim of theft, but not here any more.
If there is a law stating that motorists specifically are not entitled to police support, shouldn't we motorists get a reduction in council tax cos I am paying the police for something...
Just curious.
hedders said:
If I call the police and report my car being being broken into, they won't come out but they offer to let me take a day off work and take the car to them so they can take a look at it
If it is criminal damage to my house or theft from my house are they obliged to come out?
If so, why not when it is criminal damage to a car?
Is there actually a law stating that car crime should not be attended or is it just new operating procedures..(or non operating procedures in this case)?.
In the states, the cops come out to you to take a report if you are a victim of theft, but not here any more.
If there is a law stating that motorists specifically are not entitled to police support, shouldn't we motorists get a reduction in council tax cos I am paying the police for something...
Just curious.
I suspect they are supposed to come out, but don't if they can avoid it.
Was listening to the Welsh Council Tax protestors the other day and they came up with a very valid point.
Why should we pay the tax for the services we don't receive.
The police get money for a service which we don't receive any other service provider would end up in court for such a repeatedly substandard service.
Why should we pay the tax for the services we don't receive.
The police get money for a service which we don't receive any other service provider would end up in court for such a repeatedly substandard service.
As a single person what do I get for my council tax now?
It seems to me that I get streetlighting (which should be covered by road tax or fuel tax, (take your pick) and I get My rubbish removed once a week.
There is a tip 1/2 mile from me so I would gladly take my own rubbish away and save my self £30 a week.
I just had a look and it seems that parking enforcement also benefits from my council tax, I would have thought that was self funding, but definately something I don't want or need!
I so badly want to opt out of all taxes and pay for everything myself...
It seems to me that I get streetlighting (which should be covered by road tax or fuel tax, (take your pick) and I get My rubbish removed once a week.
There is a tip 1/2 mile from me so I would gladly take my own rubbish away and save my self £30 a week.
I just had a look and it seems that parking enforcement also benefits from my council tax, I would have thought that was self funding, but definately something I don't want or need!
I so badly want to opt out of all taxes and pay for everything myself...
If there is no risk to life or offenders on scene or crime in progress then we wont attend on immediate, we may not attend at all (this decision is made by the civvies in the control rooms or in the police enquiry centers).
Because of the current drain on resources alot of forces now have decided to do crime reports over the phone. If they (civilians) deem it needing investigation such as offenders seen / witnessed then it is allocated to an officer, this process can take days to allocate.
Its mainly a resourcing thing i think to be honest.
We can bearly cover immediate jobs sometimes on a busy shift. But if 50% of units are dealing with offences where there is no chance of an arrest, such as theft from MV which is 12 hrs old then that pushes the resources harder as we are only allowed to redeploy to jobs which are likeley to be fatal or that serious life could be lost if resources are not redeployed.
I know everyone wants their crime reported to a police officer not a telephone operator. Alot of the times i attend and they are happy with me just being there and saying, im sorry but realisitically there very slim chances of an offender being caught and what i suggest you do is call this number and they will take details down from you. And explain the process rather than a person on the phone saying the same.
Gareth
>> Edited by ^Slider^ on Sunday 24th April 16:30
Because of the current drain on resources alot of forces now have decided to do crime reports over the phone. If they (civilians) deem it needing investigation such as offenders seen / witnessed then it is allocated to an officer, this process can take days to allocate.
Its mainly a resourcing thing i think to be honest.
We can bearly cover immediate jobs sometimes on a busy shift. But if 50% of units are dealing with offences where there is no chance of an arrest, such as theft from MV which is 12 hrs old then that pushes the resources harder as we are only allowed to redeploy to jobs which are likeley to be fatal or that serious life could be lost if resources are not redeployed.
I know everyone wants their crime reported to a police officer not a telephone operator. Alot of the times i attend and they are happy with me just being there and saying, im sorry but realisitically there very slim chances of an offender being caught and what i suggest you do is call this number and they will take details down from you. And explain the process rather than a person on the phone saying the same.
Gareth
>> Edited by ^Slider^ on Sunday 24th April 16:30
Be carefull with stats!
More police than ever - maybe, but more police tied up in the nick with paperwork or extra forms that need to be filled in taking time from patrol such as stop and account. Speak to someone, ask what they are up to, get an answer, write name address and dob then toddle off. Now, same but a form which could take 10 mins maybe to fill in.
Police numbers has increased - but in line with new policies and procedures and forms and paperwork.
Crime stats i wouldent believe for a second as there are ways and means for the stats to be manipulated. Ie, robbery down 20% means crimes recorded as robbery down 20% just means that somewhere along the lines robbery has been downgraded to theft from the person which may not be recorded in the official stats!
More police than ever - maybe, but more police tied up in the nick with paperwork or extra forms that need to be filled in taking time from patrol such as stop and account. Speak to someone, ask what they are up to, get an answer, write name address and dob then toddle off. Now, same but a form which could take 10 mins maybe to fill in.
Police numbers has increased - but in line with new policies and procedures and forms and paperwork.
Crime stats i wouldent believe for a second as there are ways and means for the stats to be manipulated. Ie, robbery down 20% means crimes recorded as robbery down 20% just means that somewhere along the lines robbery has been downgraded to theft from the person which may not be recorded in the official stats!
^Slider^ said:
I know everyone wants their crime reported to a police officer not a telephone operator. Alot of the times i attend and they are happy with me just being there and saying, im sorry but realisitically there very slim chances of an offender being caught and what i suggest you do is call this number and they will take details down from you. And explain the process rather than a person on the phone saying the same.
The problem is that if a crime isn't investigated at all because there is little chance of catching the offender, what message does that send to the offender?
Gareth
Well, i can understand what you mean. But the limited resources we have need to be allocated as best we can. Realistically we cant get em all so we probably should concentrate on the ones we can catch who have just commited the offences and maybe in the area.
In TVP a rough estimate of how many crimes we are sent to on a 24 hr period is about 1800.
That does not include the stuff which is recorded over the phone, just on our command and control system.
In TVP a rough estimate of how many crimes we are sent to on a 24 hr period is about 1800.
That does not include the stuff which is recorded over the phone, just on our command and control system.
Yes, what factors make police attend anything for whatever reason? Two of my sons, when younger (aged about 4 and 6), were target practice for some local chavs and their arsenal of tarmac chunks taken from a dug up path. BiB couldn't give a toss, so sorted it myself.
Reminds me of that story about the bloke who slapped his son when he was playing up in a supermarket, in the media recently. Turns out a curtain twitcher goody goody followed him to his car, took the number and reported him to plod. Two days later there's a knock on the door, BiB ask to come in and see little chip off the block, dad says no he's asleep come back tomorrow. Furious, he then phones the nick and speaks to a sergeant, fortunately the man with the stripes had some sense. Sergeant comes round the next day, sees the lad, asks if he was naughty (yes) and tells the little un off in an appropriate kinda way with dad there.
Result - but in view of tales in this thread, why the hell do the police bother with this at all?? One smack on the leg outside of some jeans - after two, no three, days there must be no chance of a conviction, any 'red mark on the skin' (ffs) will have gone if ever there was one. Kid probably didn't look, and dad wouldn't have. And if there was a red mark so what? We used to have "spare the rod and spoil the child" now I guess it's "spare the small temporary red skin blotch and..."
What an absolutely bl00dy stupid waste of time and effort. This is NOT a government political correctness rant, though for sure their law is the b@stard offspring of a mutant donkey here. Somebody at that nick (civvy or BiB) took an operational decision to send two BiB out, then a sergeant called. Three BiB off task, and for what? If the guy's car was being broken into they'd tell him to go forth.
Reminds me of that story about the bloke who slapped his son when he was playing up in a supermarket, in the media recently. Turns out a curtain twitcher goody goody followed him to his car, took the number and reported him to plod. Two days later there's a knock on the door, BiB ask to come in and see little chip off the block, dad says no he's asleep come back tomorrow. Furious, he then phones the nick and speaks to a sergeant, fortunately the man with the stripes had some sense. Sergeant comes round the next day, sees the lad, asks if he was naughty (yes) and tells the little un off in an appropriate kinda way with dad there.
Result - but in view of tales in this thread, why the hell do the police bother with this at all?? One smack on the leg outside of some jeans - after two, no three, days there must be no chance of a conviction, any 'red mark on the skin' (ffs) will have gone if ever there was one. Kid probably didn't look, and dad wouldn't have. And if there was a red mark so what? We used to have "spare the rod and spoil the child" now I guess it's "spare the small temporary red skin blotch and..."
What an absolutely bl00dy stupid waste of time and effort. This is NOT a government political correctness rant, though for sure their law is the b@stard offspring of a mutant donkey here. Somebody at that nick (civvy or BiB) took an operational decision to send two BiB out, then a sergeant called. Three BiB off task, and for what? If the guy's car was being broken into they'd tell him to go forth.
there is a HUGE inconsistancey with this stuff. When my moped was stolen with 3 witnesses seeing it, several people seeing it being driven round a local field later and detailed descriptions of those involved, the police did nothing.
However when my mobile phone got stolen from a pizza shop with no hope of it being traced, they sent 2 officers round to get a full description etc...
I only called them on the latter to get a crime number for the insurance!
^Slider^ said:And if there is a threat to life (especially if firearms used) then 'attendance' is at an RV some distance from the scene at which ambulance/paramedics are also held until a senior officer arrives. Meanwhile injured people lie in agony and in some cases die!
If there is no risk to life or offenders on scene or crime in progress then we wont attend on immediate, ...
The senior officer then has to work overtime fiddling the gun crime figures to support the governemnt's position taht crime is falling.
Streaky
^Slider^ said:In the recent past: Broadwater Farm estate, Highmoor Cross, Oxfordshire, (and another I can't currently remember) ... take your pick - Streaky
I assume your talking about highmoore.
That was Rules taken to the extream and dont feel it bears a great deal of relavence here.
^Slider^ said:
Be carefull with stats!
More police than ever - maybe, but more police tied up in the nick with paperwork or extra forms that need to be filled in taking time from patrol such as stop and account. Speak to someone, ask what they are up to, get an answer, write name address and dob then toddle off. Now, same but a form which could take 10 mins maybe to fill in.
Police numbers has increased - but in line with new policies and procedures and forms and paperwork.
Crime stats i wouldent believe for a second as there are ways and means for the stats to be manipulated. Ie, robbery down 20% means crimes recorded as robbery down 20% just means that somewhere along the lines robbery has been downgraded to theft from the person which may not be recorded in the official stats!
I would disagree with you only on one point ; I don't think the Police numbers increased in line with the policies etc., I think these have taken Coppers off the job they are good at (policing) and onto one they are probably bad at (paperwork), and the new Cops haven't kept up with it.
I also seem to recall that paperwork time now counts as time spent dealing with the public, or some such nonsense.
streaky said:
If there is no risk to life or offenders on scene or crime in progress then we wont attend on immediate, ...
And if there is a threat to life (especially if firearms used) then 'attendance' is at an RV some distance from the scene at which ambulance/paramedics are also held until a senior officer arrives. Meanwhile injured people lie in agony and in some cases die!
The senior officer then has to work overtime fiddling the gun crime figures to support the governemnt's position taht crime is falling.
Streaky
I suspect this is what the NHS calls a "P45 target" ; what you get if your figures don't show this.
Personally I object to my earnings being used so Politicians can waste Police Officers' time in an attempt to generate lies to buy votes.
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