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I was caught over the weekend in my Westfield FW400 - I have some questions that hopefully some people can answer.
I joined the M27 at Jct5, and in a moment of madness, gave it a 20 second blast. I was quickly reduced to 70-80 mph as cars were in the outside lane.
The police say they measured me over 0.4 of a mile (2 bridges), and that my average speed was 103mph - I'm surprised as that would mean I was doing alot more than that at the first bridge.
They policeman says he was 3 cars behind me when I went under the 1st bridge (and he pressed the button). How can he accuratly estimate when I went under the bridge?
Does anyone know any info about radio and phone interference for this timing equipment? Some police friends tell me this is a concern/grey area at the moment. All mobiles should me off and radio's set to inhibet.
Anyone know where I can get good legal assistance in the Southampton/Winchester area?
I have an sp30 on my license from 18 months ago - up until then I was clean for 10 years. Any guess on what I'll get?
That's it for the moment.
I joined the M27 at Jct5, and in a moment of madness, gave it a 20 second blast. I was quickly reduced to 70-80 mph as cars were in the outside lane.
The police say they measured me over 0.4 of a mile (2 bridges), and that my average speed was 103mph - I'm surprised as that would mean I was doing alot more than that at the first bridge.
They policeman says he was 3 cars behind me when I went under the 1st bridge (and he pressed the button). How can he accuratly estimate when I went under the bridge?
Does anyone know any info about radio and phone interference for this timing equipment? Some police friends tell me this is a concern/grey area at the moment. All mobiles should me off and radio's set to inhibet.
Anyone know where I can get good legal assistance in the Southampton/Winchester area?
I have an sp30 on my license from 18 months ago - up until then I was clean for 10 years. Any guess on what I'll get?
That's it for the moment.
Not that sure on all things legal, but there has been a thread before with various pieces of information on the sorts of points that you mention, IE phones on, radio, interference etc. I'm sure there were about 15 different pieces of information that if you were caught with the old hairdryer that the BiB had to provide, weather conditions, how long ago the camera had been serviced, qualifications of the operator etc. I'd be fairly sure that there are certain conditions in the way that you were caught that may be able to help you off the hook.
Hope all goes well.
Hope all goes well.
mcflurry said:
If there is doubt, then you must make an appointment with the judge. Maybe admit to 90-odd rather than 100 and get them to settle for 3points and 60 credits of your pocket money, rather than losing your licence?
At 103, its debatble whether a CoFP would apply. Isn't it the case that anything over 96 is dealt with by the courts anyway ?
SotonS2 said:
If there is doubt, then you must make an appointment with the judge. Maybe admit to 90-odd rather than 100 and get them to settle for 3points and 60 credits of your pocket money, rather than losing your licence?
At 103, its debatble whether a CoFP would apply. Isn't it the case that anything over 96 is dealt with by the courts anyway ?
It is, that's why I was thinking along the lines of,"if you could put doubt on the 100+ reading, you could get the taxation down to 60 credits"
mungo said:
mcflurry said:
If there is doubt, then you must make an appointment with the judge. Maybe admit to 90-odd rather than 100 and get them to settle for 3points and 60 credits of your pocket money, rather than losing your licence?
At 103, its debatble whether a CoFP would apply. Isn't it the case that anything over 96 is dealt with by the courts anyway ?
Nope - Caught someone at 99.24 the other day and gave him a £60 3 point NIP - He was incredibly lucky - another bloke who wasn't checking his mirrors
Hi Mungo,
I realise the sub 96mph is not a hard and fast rule - one of my colleagues was nabbed by one of your colleagues on the 27 a couple of months back at 98.2. The BiB told him it was close whether to CoFP or court but since my workmate 'seemed decent' he went with the 3 points and 60 quid.
My mate knew he was lucky....
I have a case in progress, same speed, but caught on a mobile mini gatso. My research has led me to www.pepipoo.com. It looks like one of the ways to respond is to plead guilty (to the offence of excess speed) but NOT AS CHARGED, i.e. not at the speed they claim. This will bring about a Newton Hearing, where I understand evidence casting doubt on the accuracy of the speed measuring device can be presented. Don't take my word for it though, post everything on pepipoo and see what response you get.
Hi SC,
strongly suggest you read this and pay particular attention to the legal principles discussed and how the VASCAR operates; particularly the business of having clear site of the datum points.
It was this that got Shoodie a dramatically reduced sentence.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141324&f=10&h=0
strongly suggest you read this and pay particular attention to the legal principles discussed and how the VASCAR operates; particularly the business of having clear site of the datum points.
It was this that got Shoodie a dramatically reduced sentence.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141324&f=10&h=0
Hello Chaps,
Thanks for all your replies.
Mungo, have you got any advice on the Police car being "2 or 3 cars back" when I went under the 1st bridge?
What does CoFP stand for?
I'm also being reported for a defective tyre (I'm so ashamed - I'm not normally like this) The cars only done 100 miles since the MOT, and I was taking it for a service where it would have been picked up. However, the part of the tyre he measured was 1mm but it is a "flat spot" in the middle of the tyre. He only measured this one spot, not the rest of the circumference. The chap at the garage mentioned that if it was a flat spot, it came under the 2/3 rule?
Kik1. I do have photos of a trackday I did at Goodwood, which I'll post later. Meanwhile check out these 2 web sites. This is the actual car I bought, the first one made. It is one of the few cars with a carbon body, and the only one with carbon dash, indicators, head lights etc etc. It only had 1200 miles on the clock when I bought it, and I've only done 7-800. It might be for sale soon.......
www.mymegabusa.com/schedetecniche/fw400.htm
www.mymegabusa.com/schedetecniche/fw400depliant.htm
Thanks for all your replies.
Mungo, have you got any advice on the Police car being "2 or 3 cars back" when I went under the 1st bridge?
What does CoFP stand for?
I'm also being reported for a defective tyre (I'm so ashamed - I'm not normally like this) The cars only done 100 miles since the MOT, and I was taking it for a service where it would have been picked up. However, the part of the tyre he measured was 1mm but it is a "flat spot" in the middle of the tyre. He only measured this one spot, not the rest of the circumference. The chap at the garage mentioned that if it was a flat spot, it came under the 2/3 rule?
Kik1. I do have photos of a trackday I did at Goodwood, which I'll post later. Meanwhile check out these 2 web sites. This is the actual car I bought, the first one made. It is one of the few cars with a carbon body, and the only one with carbon dash, indicators, head lights etc etc. It only had 1200 miles on the clock when I bought it, and I've only done 7-800. It might be for sale soon.......
www.mymegabusa.com/schedetecniche/fw400.htm
www.mymegabusa.com/schedetecniche/fw400depliant.htm
SC5011 said:
What does CoFP stand for?
Conditional offer of Fixed Penalty.
Speeding offence dealt with by the gift of 3 points, the liberating of your wallet of £60 and the lack of a day out in court.
Cases which go to court can attract higher fines, more points and possibly a ban. It all depends on the mood of the Mags on the day.
mungo said:
Mungo, have you got any advice on the Police car being "2 or 3 cars back" when I went under the 1st bridge?
Sorry mate I don't think you have any defence to this...
Hope the punishment is not too harsh!
Sorry Mungo, don't agree.
Read the link I posted earlier about Shoodie's case and the argument about perspective; it's very relevant.
Hello IOLAIRE,
Thanks for all this. How do you get time for your work? Spent hours going through all this last night.
The main differences between myseld and shoodie is:
1) Shoodie had a single policeman - there were 4 police in the police car that followed me. Does this make a difference? Would they have to all be trained operators to say the reading was accurate? I know one of them was a probationer.
Also, was shoodie's case from a stationary VASCAR?
2) As I was taking my car for a service, I was being followed down by a friend - he happens to be a policeman. He like me is very surprised at averaging 103mph. He saw the police car but couldn't see me which would suggest that he couldn't be that accurate on the buttons?
Thanks for all this. How do you get time for your work? Spent hours going through all this last night.
The main differences between myseld and shoodie is:
1) Shoodie had a single policeman - there were 4 police in the police car that followed me. Does this make a difference? Would they have to all be trained operators to say the reading was accurate? I know one of them was a probationer.
Also, was shoodie's case from a stationary VASCAR?
2) As I was taking my car for a service, I was being followed down by a friend - he happens to be a policeman. He like me is very surprised at averaging 103mph. He saw the police car but couldn't see me which would suggest that he couldn't be that accurate on the buttons?
Am I correct that the vehicle needs to be in full view through the whole timing procedure?
As said before a seven is very small & easily lost in front of several other cars.
Take a few pics from a similar distance & see what you get, ask if the police car had provida video onbaord, I think you will find it did. In which case ask for a copy.
Mungo have you got Provida on board? is it always on?
4 up would be a police training car btw
As said before a seven is very small & easily lost in front of several other cars.
Take a few pics from a similar distance & see what you get, ask if the police car had provida video onbaord, I think you will find it did. In which case ask for a copy.
Mungo have you got Provida on board? is it always on?
4 up would be a police training car btw
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