Eight months for using a laser jammer ?!! Wtf

[TooMany2cvs]

warch said:

I don't suppose it made a material difference in case, except to prevent the defendant from using contrition as a part of his defence. He clearly wasn't sorry!

Or "Oooh, I didn't know the jammer was there..."

[The Rookie]

8-12 months for a PCOJ relating to a motoring offence is pretty normal, Chris Huhne, Vicky Price, Andy Kelly etc etc, about 2 cases a month on average at a guess.

Some people seem quite happy to risk a year in jail to avoid a relatively minor motoring offence and its quite right that they should get the completely predictable reward for their crime.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but I know enough not to pull such a moronic stunt and not make it worse!

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
https://www.southyorks.police.uk/find-out/news/201...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321458/Bi...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/09/c...

[Glasgowrob]

The guys an idiot all he had to do was say absolutely nothing and instead of throwing the jammer in a river behind his house dispose of it more thoroughly he owns a scrap yard FFS

If he'd kept his mouth shut disposed of the jammer properly the police wouldn't have had a thing to work with other than an angry man made some rude gestures at a camera van and tjeir equipment seemed not to work on the days and times he drove past them

[Greendubber]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Bigends]

The Rookie said:

8-12 months for a PCOJ relating to a motoring offence is pretty normal, Chris Huhne, Vicky Price, Andy Kelly etc etc, about 2 cases a month on average at a guess.

Some people seem quite happy to risk a year in jail to avoid a relatively minor motoring offence and its quite right that they should get the completely predictable reward for their crime.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but I know enough not to pull such a moronic stunt and not make it worse!

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
https://www.southyorks.police.uk/find-out/news/201...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321458/Bi...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/09/c...

I dealt with a woman who tried to evade three speed tickets by nominating other drivers who were out of the country - assuming the matter wouldnt be followed up on. Well it was and I traced one of three nominees in France who proved she couldnt have been driving on the date in question. The court accepted the other two were also unlikely to have been driving even though we couldnt trace them via interpol. She finished up with a six week sentence despite trying to pass the blame onto three others - so 8 months does seem a bit heavy for this offence

[The Rookie]

Bigends said:

She finished up with a six week sentence despite trying to pass the blame onto three others - so 8 months does seem a bit heavy for this offence

I've seen a lot of these, I'd say six weeks was light, most are in the 9-12 months range prior to any early guilty plea credit (so roughly 6-9 months typical).
I could produce another dozen links with sentences in that nature without difficulty.
https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/m4-...
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/16122539.Motori...

Of course any sentence upto 1 year may be suspended based on factors not directly relating to the offence such as likelyhood of re-offending.

[Bigends]

The Rookie said:

I've seen a lot of these, I'd say six weeks was light, most are in the 9-12 months range prior to any early guilty plea credit (so roughly 6-9 months typical).
I could produce another dozen links with sentences in that nature without difficulty.
https://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/bath-news/m4-...
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/16122539.Motori...

Of course any sentence upto 1 year may be suspended based on factors not directly relating to the offence such as likelyhood of re-offending.

She went not guilty to the bitter end. (Met cops wife as well!)

[The Rookie]

Then I'd suggest she got off overly lightly not the other way round, Vicky Price for one event (and guilty at trial) got 8 months after all, and she was the one who took the points not evaded them.

The best result from the Huhne/Price case though was ending the career of that total Charlatan Briscoe, some of whose judgements were really scathingly slated at appeal courts, she got through the ranks for all the wrong reasons as competence certainly wasn't one of them!

[silvermills997]

This guy i a TOTAL bell end and deserved everything he got for being so stupid!

Three hits in a few days.............This guy must have heard the internal "Hit" Alarm going off so he knows they are wide to his game, Not only that he had seen the vans as he gave them the finger....

All he had to do then was remove the system ( I am told this can be done in two mins ) and then deny everything when the bib come knocking.

Idiot.

[dacouch]

PaulD86 said:

What a muppet.

On a side note, and not strictly relevant but just something I have found myself wondering, is it actually illegal to give the finger to the camera van operatives? I have never done so, but I have always wondered if that would be some sort of offence.

I saw a case last month where the driver was convicted of careless driving or not being in control of the vehicle (I forget) when he gave the camera van the finger.

They don't seem to like people giving them the finger

[jimbo761]

Bigends said:

The Rookie said:

8-12 months for a PCOJ relating to a motoring offence is pretty normal, Chris Huhne, Vicky Price, Andy Kelly etc etc, about 2 cases a month on average at a guess.

Some people seem quite happy to risk a year in jail to avoid a relatively minor motoring offence and its quite right that they should get the completely predictable reward for their crime.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but I know enough not to pull such a moronic stunt and not make it worse!

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
https://www.southyorks.police.uk/find-out/news/201...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321458/Bi...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/09/c...

I dealt with a woman who tried to evade three speed tickets by nominating other drivers who were out of the country - assuming the matter wouldnt be followed up on. Well it was and I traced one of three nominees in France who proved she couldnt have been driving on the date in question. The court accepted the other two were also unlikely to have been driving even though we couldnt trace them via interpol. She finished up with a six week sentence despite trying to pass the blame onto three others - so 8 months does seem a bit heavy for this offence

Thank goodness, splendid work and good to see resources being employed like this to take these hardened criminals off the streets.

Edited by jimbo761 on Tuesday 24th April 12:19

[CoolHands]

^ using Interpol to chase a speeding ticket.

Seems legit.

[PaulD86]

dacouch said:

PaulD86 said:

What a muppet.

On a side note, and not strictly relevant but just something I have found myself wondering, is it actually illegal to give the finger to the camera van operatives? I have never done so, but I have always wondered if that would be some sort of offence.

I saw a case last month where the driver was convicted of careless driving or not being in control of the vehicle (I forget) when he gave the camera van the finger.

They don't seem to like people giving them the finger

That seems totally ridiculous, so probably is true. If giving the finger is careless driving then is it careless driving to have a hand off the wheel? If so I suspect about 100% of people partake in dangerous driving regularly.

[HantsRat]

jimbo761 said:

Thank goodness, splendid work and good to see resources being employed like this to take these hardened criminals off the streets.

Edited by jimbo761 on Tuesday 24th April 12:19

Blame those lying through their teeth and wasting police time. Not the police investigating the crime.

[jmorgan]

jimbo761 said:

Thank goodness, splendid work and good to see resources being employed like this to take these hardened criminals off the streets.

Edited by jimbo761 on Tuesday 24th April 12:19

How far down the hardened criminal scale do we start to go after people?

[williamp]

Agree with the comments about the driver.

Just a thought though: the perverting the course of justice is about the laser jammer?

If so, then what would happen if he had theblaswr jammer but wasnt speeding. No speeding, no crime committed, so the pcoj isnt relevent?? What am I missing?

[yellowjack]

CoolHands said:

^ using Interpol to chase a speeding ticket.

Seems legit.

Whereas "using interpol to disprove a false alibi" in a PCoJ case seems an entirely legitimate use of police resources. After all, they're only seeking to contact those accused of offences they didn't commit in order to ask them a simple yes/no question.

Simple methods of avoiding prison terms for what started off as a minor speeding offence include...

* Manning the fk up and taking your punishment when you get caught out.
* Not committing the speeding offence in the first place.


Me? I think MANY speed limits are ridiculously low. I think it's perfectly possible, in many cases, to exceed said limit by a considerable margin without being killed to death in a burning wreck. But I also accept that the speed limit is what it is for a reason. I might not agree with the reason, but the people who set the limit helpfully place signs all over the place to direct my attention to what the limit is. If I'm feeling lucky I can exceed it, or if I'd prefer to not take that risk then I can obey it.

Using detectors or laser jammers is cowardly. If you're going to speed, speed. But be a man about it, a hairy chested masculine man at that, and do it with bravado. Take the risk, and accept the consequences. And don't skulk around like some pussy when you get caught, looking to wriggle out of those consequences. Come out! Be loud, be proud, and display your penalty points for all to see. You're a petrol head, after all, no?

[The Rookie]

williamp said:

If so, then what would happen if he had the laser jammer but wasnt speeding. No speeding, no crime committed, so the pcoj isnt relevent?? What am I missing?

PCOJ is an offence contrary to common law, so there is no statute to interrogate to decide either way, that said as usual the CPS gives a good assessment of what they believe is or is not PCOJ. In this case there is an intent to pervert the course of justice if he ever did speed, as such there would be no need to prove there ever was excess speed to convict. Apart from the fact that by the very acts he commited it would be difficult to prove he was ever speeding anyway so on that basis it would be illogical to require the offence to be proven to then convict of the PCOJ when he had successfully prevented them doing so!

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/public-justi...

[anonymous-user]

jmorgan said:

jimbo761 said:

Thank goodness, splendid work and good to see resources being employed like this to take these hardened criminals off the streets.

How far down the hardened criminal scale do we start to go after people?

Indeed, it's brilliant logic.

"Hey, there are a few unsolved murders. Let's not do any other less serious work!"

[Bigends]

jimbo761 said:

Thank goodness, splendid work and good to see resources being employed like this to take these hardened criminals off the streets.

Edited by jimbo761 on Tuesday 24th April 12:19

Mine was one of a stack of jobs I had on the go at the time - others involved hardened criminals and 'proper' offences. Whilst not dealing with this one - I dealt with the others.
Anyway - my offender had nominated three other drivers one of whom, a solicitor, spent half the year in France - hence she knew she wasnt driving at the nominated time as she wasnt even in the uk. She returned the paperwork nominating her as driver to the relevant force and heard nothing back. She wanted to come back to blighty but was worried she may be stopped at the port in relation to the driving matter so contacted the force she'd returned the papers to. Theyd done nothing to contact the woman who nominated her so she complained and the job was reopened and a half arsed effort made to continue enquiries by the nothern force involved. Anyway it was dumped on my force as she lived down here - hence my involvement. The woman from France feared possible arrest upon returning to the uk had her account been ignored and the matter heard in her absence. Using Interpol to find the other two (non existent) nominated drivers was no big deal = just an email forwarded to them via our Interpol liason officer. The remaining two tickets had been issued for speeding on roads near to where the offender worked so it wasnt hard for the Judge to decide she'd been the driver