Eight months for using a laser jammer ?!! Wtf

[jm doc]

captain_cynic said:

jm doc said:

Bluebottle911 said:

What a pillock!

“If you want to attract our attention, repeatedly gesturing at police camera vans with your middle finger while you’re driving a distinctive car fitted with a laser jammer is an excellent way to do it."

Couldn't have put it better myself!

He was a complete pillock as almost everyone on here agrees. But what's that got to do with receiving an 8 month jail sentence for a completely victimless crime? Although some rather bizarre people on here think that the justice system is the victim, seriously, you couldn't make it up.

Sigh, we've been over this before.

HE DIDN'T GET THE SENTENCE FOR THE JAMMER.

I cant say that any more clearly.

He got the jail sentence for interfering with a police investigation and attempting to destroy evidence. This is called Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice (PCoJ for brevity's sake) and its a crime that needs to be taken seriously, in fact the only reason he got just 8 months for it is because he pleaded guilty (and will likely only serve 3 or 4 months).

Had he not tried to do that... he would have walked out of court with some points, a fine and a tongue lashing (IIRC 3 points and around £300)

Sigh, we've been over this before.

WE GET THAT HE DIDN'T GET THE SENTENCE FOR THE JAMMER.

But others have. And the principle of pursuing someone with the full weight of the law for avoiding a speeding ticket when every day much more serious offences are ignored makes a complete farce of the justice system. Feel free to be a part of that, but one day it might come back to bite you on the bum.

HOPE YOU FINALLY GOT THAT

[captain_cynic]

jm doc said:

Sigh, we've been over this before.

WE GET THAT HE DIDN'T GET THE SENTENCE FOR THE JAMMER.

But others have. And the principle of pursuing someone with the full weight of the law for avoiding a speeding ticket when every day much more serious offences are ignored makes a complete farce of the justice system. Feel free to be a part of that, but one day it might come back to bite you on the bum.

HOPE YOU FINALLY GOT THAT

Absolute bks.

You got caught out and you cant admit you were wrong.

HOPE YOU FINALLY GOT THAT

if you cant admit it, just drop it.

[vonhosen]

Sentence he got doesn't seem out of kilter given others.


http://www.lawbriefupdate.com/2016/03/15/sentencin...

[warch]

vonhosen said:

Sentence he got doesn't seem out of kilter given others.


http://www.lawbriefupdate.com/2016/03/15/sentencin...

I admire your perseverance on this one vonhosen, especially as this thread has been well and truly battered with the idiot stick.

[vonhosen]

warch said:

vonhosen said:

Sentence he got doesn't seem out of kilter given others.


http://www.lawbriefupdate.com/2016/03/15/sentencin...

I admire your perseverance on this one vonhosen, especially as this thread has been well and truly battered with the idiot stick.

It's a quiet day at the office.

[andy_s]

warch said:

I admire your perseverance on this one vonhosen, especially as this thread has been well and truly battered with the idiot stick.

I think I remember saying the same thing about ten years ago....!

[anonymous-user]

Meanwhile a nutter brandishes a knife at another driver.

the press said:

The horrific video was sent to West Midlands Police via Twitter to which a superintendent responded - branding the incident as "unacceptable".

Superintendent Jane Bailey also vowed to hunt the drivers and bring them to justice.

Let's see if they catch the guy......I don't hold out much hope. Probably in the same realms as PTCOJ whilst speeding

[vonhosen]

yonex said:

Meanwhile a nutter brandishes a knife at another driver.

the press said:

The horrific video was sent to West Midlands Police via Twitter to which a superintendent responded - branding the incident as "unacceptable".

Superintendent Jane Bailey also vowed to hunt the drivers and bring them to justice.

Let's see if they catch the guy......I don't hold out much hope. Probably in the same realms as PTCOJ whilst speeding

Hunt down the drivers & bring them to justice?
It's an offence to be threatened with a knife?

[anonymous-user]

JNW1 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

See bold above. You’re being obtuse trying to argue that speeding can’t have victims. Do you really believe that speeding without accident = victimless and speeding with accident (and victim) = always “driver error”? What “error” did the driver commit when he was doing 40 in a 30 and a child ran out in front of him? The child dies but would have survived if they’d been hit at 30.

It is patently obvious that there are no ‘victims’ of the vast majority of speeding (ignoring pollution arguments) but to try and stretch that to saying there are NEVER victims of speeding by recategorising it as driver error (e.g. some idiot saying I reckon I could have got round that bend at 69mph even though the road limit is 50mph so therefore the person who didn’t and died is a victim of driver error, not speeding) is laughable.

Sorry but are you seriously asking what error a driver committed by doing 40 in a 30? I'd have thought it was obvious to a blind man but since you clearly need help understanding being 33% over the speed limit in a built-up area where it's highly likely children will be around is driver error (and illegal).

As for all this driving god "I could have got round that bend going faster" stuff, I've never mentioned any of that so you're either making it up to justify your argument or attributing comments made by others to me (can't be bothered to re-read the thread to establish which).

And I'm sticking to my guns on the cause of accidents; it's one or a combination of driver error, car failure or (in extreme cases) an act of god. In itself speed never killed anyone; the inappropriate use of speed may well have done but what makes the speed inappropriate? Poor judgement by the driver (i.e. driver error).

Edited by JNW1 on Saturday 28th April 22:24

Last time I checked getting done for 40 in a 30 didn’t result in an endorsement of “driver error” on anyone’s licence. Clearly things are different in your world where speeding never causes accidents or creates victims. Presumably you just go to court when you get a NIP for speeding and they let you off when you tell them it wasn’t speeding, just “driver error”.

I didn’t attribute any comment to you - not my fault you can’t be bothered to read the thread. The only thing it would attribute to you is talking utter nonsense in a failed (and pointless) attempt to somehow pretend that “speed never killed anyone”!

[anonymous-user]

vonhosen said:

Hunt down the drivers & bring them to justice?
It's an offence to be threatened with a knife?

Well likely, but nothing when compared to serious crimes like speeding. Which is probably why knife crime has surged. The kids know they’ll likely not get caught, they don’t give a st.

[vonhosen]

yonex said:

vonhosen said:

Hunt down the drivers & bring them to justice?
It's an offence to be threatened with a knife?

Well likely, but nothing when compared to serious crimes like speeding. Which is probably why knife crime has surged. The kids know they’ll likely not get caught, they don’t give a st.

You don't have to worry about carrying a concealed knife if you aren't likely to get searched.
Speeding isn't a serious crime because you say it is.

[Ayahuasca]

vonhosen said:

It's an offence to be threatened with a knife?

No, it isn't.

[vonhosen]

Ayahuasca said:

vonhosen said:

It's an offence to be threatened with a knife?

No, it isn't.

Thanks for confirming that, can you confirm then why they want both drivers brought to justice?

[bad company]

vonhosen said:

Sentence he got doesn't seem out of kilter given others.

http://www.lawbriefupdate.com/2016/03/15/sentencin...

True but that doesn’t make it right.

In another thread I highlighted the tale of a pal of mine who also got a jail term for PCJ which I thought and still think was overkill and unecessarily expensive.

[vonhosen]

bad company said:

vonhosen said:

Sentence he got doesn't seem out of kilter given others.

http://www.lawbriefupdate.com/2016/03/15/sentencin...

True but that doesn’t make it right.

In another thread I highlighted the tale of a pal of mine who also got a jail term for PCJ which I thought and still think was overkill and unecessarily expensive.

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are, prosecution or defence, the judiciary will come down hard on you where you are found perverting the course of justice. Non custodial sentences will be very very rare & I think that's completely right. Think very hard before you go there & be prepared to pack a toothbrush if you decide to.

[bad company]

vonhosen said:

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are, prosecution or defence, the judiciary will come down hard on you where you are found perverting the course of justice. Non custodial sentences will be very very rare & I think that's completely right. Think very hard before you go there & be prepared to pack a toothbrush if you decide to.

We’ll have to agree to differ on that one.

As stated previously I would say a few hundred hours of community service and very large fine will be as good a deterrent, some may even consider that worse than a short jail sentence. Also beneficial rather than expensive for the taxpayer.

[vonhosen]

bad company said:

vonhosen said:

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are, prosecution or defence, the judiciary will come down hard on you where you are found perverting the course of justice. Non custodial sentences will be very very rare & I think that's completely right. Think very hard before you go there & be prepared to pack a toothbrush if you decide to.

We’ll have to agree to differ on that one.

As stated previously I would say a few hundred hours of community service and very large fine will be as good a deterrent, some may even consider that worse than a short jail sentence. Also beneficial rather than expensive for the taxpayer.

The bloke in the link was pleading for the non custodial & his mother wasn't pleading for the custodial.
They or I don't share the thought that a bit of community service would be harder than that door shutting on you every night.

[JNW1]

Roman Rhodes said:

The only thing it would attribute to you is talking utter nonsense in a failed (and pointless) attempt to somehow pretend that “speed never killed anyone”!

In isolation I do believe that speed never killed anyone; I agree excess speed at the wrong time and in the wrong place is likely to exacerbate the consequences of poor driving but in itself speed isn't the problem in my view. The "speed kills" mantra is just part of the rubbish pedalled by the likes of Brake and the continual lowering and greater enforcement of the limits is really just an admission by the authorities that they're unwilling/unable to tackle the real problem (which IMO is poor driving standards).

So I think where we differ is I believe excess speed is a symptom of poor driving/judgement whereas you seem to be in the camp that thinks speed itself is the problem. You obviously think my position is utter nonsense but rest assured I think the same about yours so rather than continue to go round in circles best we just agree to differ!

[anonymous-user]

vonhosen said:

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are, prosecution or defence, the judiciary will come down hard on you where you are found perverting the course of justice. Non custodial sentences will be very very rare & I think that's completely right. Think very hard before you go there & be prepared to pack a toothbrush if you decide to.

It’s so nice to see the authorities have their priorities straight. PCJ relative to speeding is a BS conviction.

[vonhosen]

yonex said:

vonhosen said:

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are, prosecution or defence, the judiciary will come down hard on you where you are found perverting the course of justice. Non custodial sentences will be very very rare & I think that's completely right. Think very hard before you go there & be prepared to pack a toothbrush if you decide to.

It’s so nice to see the authorities have their priorities straight. PCJ relative to speeding is a BS conviction.

Speeding isn't singled out, it's not about speeding.
It's simply whenever you PtCoJ you're likely to end up in clink & as I said, whichever side of the fence you are on.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 1st May 21:34