Eight months for using a laser jammer ?!! Wtf

[anonymous-user]

vonhosen said:

Speeding isn't singled out, it's not about speeding.
It's simply whenever you PtCoJ you're likely to end up in clink & as I said, whichever side of the fence you are on.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 1st May 21:34

I think the Police should focus on knife crime, serious assault and burglary. But, I know it’s far more important to commit resources to an old guy giving them the finger via a speed camera.

[Cognoscenti]

Sheepshanks said:

hashtag said:

And if his actions had caused a fatal death?

As opposed to a non-fatal one?

[vonhosen]

yonex said:

vonhosen said:

Speeding isn't singled out, it's not about speeding.
It's simply whenever you PtCoJ you're likely to end up in clink & as I said, whichever side of the fence you are on.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 1st May 21:34

I think the Police should focus on knife crime, serious assault and burglary. But, I know it’s far more important to commit resources to an old guy giving them the finger via a speed camera.

That's where they put the majority of their resources, but that's not what Roads Policing officers investigate (& there are relatively few of them). I'm sure it can't surprise you that Roads Policing Officers are tasked to deal with & investigate Roads Policing matters & those that investigate knife crime, serious assaults & burglaries don't investigate Roads Policing matters (as a rule).

[ElectricPics]

vonhosen said:

That's where they put the majority of their resources, but that's not what Roads Policing officers investigate (& there are relatively few of them). I'm sure it can't surprise you that Roads Policing Officers are tasked to deal with & investigate Roads Policing matters & those that investigate knife crime, serious assaults & burglaries don't investigate Roads Policing matters (as a rule).

You're pushing water up a hill mate. These people are haters of authority, toeing the line, being respectful of others, following the rules, being forced not to be so self-absorbed... you get the picture.

[anonymous-user]

vonhosen said:

That's where they put the majority of their resources, but that's not what Roads Policing officers investigate (& there are relatively few of them). I'm sure it can't surprise you that Roads Policing Officers are tasked to deal with & investigate Roads Policing matters & those that investigate knife crime, serious assaults & burglaries don't investigate Roads Policing matters (as a rule).

And if you bothered to read the latest statistics, the resources committed to the various prosecutions, the return financially and to the general public, well. You’d understand what the issues are in this day and age. The Police have never been so out of touch.

[vonhosen]

yonex said:

vonhosen said:

That's where they put the majority of their resources, but that's not what Roads Policing officers investigate (& there are relatively few of them). I'm sure it can't surprise you that Roads Policing Officers are tasked to deal with & investigate Roads Policing matters & those that investigate knife crime, serious assaults & burglaries don't investigate Roads Policing matters (as a rule).

And if you bothered to read the latest statistics, the resources committed to the various prosecutions, the return financially and to the general public, well. You’d understand what the issues are in this day and age. The Police have never been so out of touch.

Please provide the stats (link) that shows that the majority of their resources are put into speeding (Roads Policing) as opposed to what I just said. I'm genuinely interested to see this data showing such an allocation of resources because I haven't seen them.
Thanks in anticipation of your provision.

Because according to PACTS

PACTS said:

As policing changes to match changes within society and reconfigures its methods, priorities, discourses and strategies, roads policing has lost the prominence and position that it previously held. There are fewer dedicated roads policing officers; a smaller proportion of resources being dedicated towards roads policing; less priority at both national and local levels and a progressive shedding of roads policing tasks to other groups and agencies.

[anonymous-user]

vonhosen said:

Sure.

http://www.thejasonspencertrust.org.uk/Knife_Crime...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42815768

Explain to me how a BS speeding offence is more important?

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 1st May 23:23

[vonhosen]

yonex said:

vonhosen said:

Sure.

http://www.thejasonspencertrust.org.uk/Knife_Crime...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42815768

Explain to me how a BS speeding offence is more important?

Those links don't show the resources that are being allocated to Policing priorities.
You know, what the Police are prioritising their resources towards.
Where are they?


This is what's been happening to Roads Policing
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/driver...

Here are the Mets Priorities 2017/18
https://www.met.police.uk/about-the-met/met-busine...

Not a lot of mention of Roads Policing in there.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 1st May 23:50

[Flumpo]

I haven’t read from the beginning so excuse me if this has been said.

Is there any element that this over the top sentence is to scare other from doing the same?

If he had got a £900 someone might have thought it’s worth the gamble. I dare say a few people would think twice now.

[jm doc]

captain_cynic said:

jm doc said:

Sigh, we've been over this before.

WE GET THAT HE DIDN'T GET THE SENTENCE FOR THE JAMMER.

But others have. And the principle of pursuing someone with the full weight of the law for avoiding a speeding ticket when every day much more serious offences are ignored makes a complete farce of the justice system. Feel free to be a part of that, but one day it might come back to bite you on the bum.

HOPE YOU FINALLY GOT THAT

Absolute bks.




You got caught out and you cant admit you were wrong.

HOPE YOU FINALLY GOT THAT

if you cant admit it, just drop it.

You don't get it, well that's just your problem, don't worry about it and no need to get so upset about it.

[jm doc]

warch said:

vonhosen said:

Sentence he got doesn't seem out of kilter given others.


http://www.lawbriefupdate.com/2016/03/15/sentencin...

I admire your perseverance on this one vonhosen, especially as this thread has been well and truly battered with the idiot stick.

Well, put it down then?

[vindaloo79]

Schmed said:

More utter insanity from our backward judicial system. You’d get less for killing someone. Seriously. What the actual fk ! Police state. This PCoJ utter nonsense insanity has to end.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/c...

Not quite less for killing someone, but commensurately these trio of retards got away very lightly for the death they caused by their stupidity:

https://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-new...

[cmaguire]

Nice to see some proportionality in the judicial system.
Looks like Timothy Hill was hard done by.

The efforts those three made to disrupt the 'ongoing investigation from amassing evidence' didn't amount to PCoJ obviously, otherwise they really would have got what they deserved.

[TooMany2cvs]

Flumpo said:

Is there any element that this ... sentence is to scare other from doing the same?

Isn't that what EVERY sentence is for, in part? "...pour encourager les autres", as Voltaire put it.

[The Surveyor]

Flumpo said:

I haven’t read from the beginning so excuse me if this has been said.

Is there any element that this over the top sentence is to scare other from doing the same?

If he had got a £900 someone might have thought it’s worth the gamble. I dare say a few people would think twice now.

The sentence is in line with what other people get for PCoJ. It's exactly the same as that MP and his wife got for the same a couple of years ago. The legal system rightly takes a very dim view of anybody trying to tarnish their application of the law.

As a sentence for speeding it is 'over the top', but he wasn't locked up for the speeding conviction, he was locked up for the separate offence of trying to be a clever sod.

[Flumpo]

TooMany2cvs said:

Flumpo said:

Is there any element that this ... sentence is to scare other from doing the same?

Isn't that what EVERY sentence is for, in part? "...pour encourager les autres", as Voltaire put it.

If there is an element to scare others from EVERY sentence then it obviously isn’t working!

[The Surveyor]

Flumpo said:

If there is an element to scare others from EVERY sentence then it obviously isn’t working!

Every sentence will deter 'some' people from offending, there are of course some people who wouldn't be deterred even if there was a death sentence available. Any suggestion what to do with them?

[anonymous-user]

yonex said:

vonhosen said:

Sure.

http://www.thejasonspencertrust.org.uk/Knife_Crime...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42815768

Explain to me how a BS speeding offence is more important

Who said it was more important?

What’s your alternative?

“Hey, we’re are recording(1) more crimes, and the Met are seeing an increase in knife crime, let’s ignore this offence.”

You (incorrectly) talk about prioritisation. They didn’t go out seeking this. It came to them. What should they do? Ignore it because there’s more serious crime out there? Why stop there? Why not stop any activity below whatever threshold you deem worthy of activity?

(1) Recording increases and actual increase can be very diffeeent things. Various data (as your BBC article addresses) needs to be read to draw any conclusions.

[MB140]

So following the logic on here then mainly from know serving officers.

Anybody who ever goes in to court and denies commiting a crime and is subsequently found guilty should also be done for perverting the course of justice, on top of whatever crime they have been found guilty of. .

I mean they stood up in court and lied if they said I didn’t do it but were infact found guilty.

Telling porkies to the courts is PCOJ is it not. I don’t see the difference.

[Flumpo]

The Surveyor said:

Flumpo said:

If there is an element to scare others from EVERY sentence then it obviously isn’t working!

Every sentence will deter 'some' people from offending, there are of course some people who wouldn't be deterred even if there was a death sentence available. Any suggestion what to do with them?

Some people will commit a crime regardless of the punishment as you say.

Do you think that’s a minority or a majority of those currently incarcerated? If you’re suggesting the penalty for using a speed jammer was execution, then I would think that would definitely put off all but a few determined/deranged individuals!