Eight months for using a laser jammer ?!! Wtf

Eight months for using a laser jammer ?!! Wtf

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anonymous-user

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54 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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La Liga said:
ho said it was more important?

What’s your alternative?

“Hey, we’re are recording(1) more crimes, and the Met are seeing an increase in knife crime, let’s ignore this offence.”

You (incorrectly) talk about prioritisation. They didn’t go out seeking this. It came to them. What should they do? Ignore it because there’s more serious crime out there? Why stop there? Why not stop any activity below whatever threshold you deem worthy of activity?

(1) Recording increases and actual increase can be very diffeeent things. Various data (as your BBC article addresses) needs to be read to draw any conclusions.
That's what I have suggested, that this current crusade against PTCOJ and extended jail terms for motorists looks a bit pathetic up against how long the average stretch for burglary etc. 8 months is a ridiculous sentence and a huge waste of taxpayers money IMO. What do you think is more serious?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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You were speaking of police prioritisation, not sentencing, which is a matter for the courts.

I’ve already said (ignoring that he may have had previous convictions / other relevant factors), I’d be happy for the sentence to be suspended.

vonhosen

40,233 posts

217 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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anonymous said:
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That happens with PtCoJ.

It starts serious & can go up to censored serious.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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vonhosen said:
That happens with PtCoJ.

It starts serious & can go up to censored serious.
It appears that the sliding scale requires some adjustments then.

anonymous-user

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54 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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MB140 said:
Telling porkies to the courts is PCOJ is it not. I don’t see the difference.
No. If you’ve read the thread, PCOJ has been explained several times - so if you don’t see the difference you’re simply saying you’re not very bright.

anonymous-user

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54 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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cmaguire said:
It appears that the sliding scale requires some adjustments then.
Exactly.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Exactly.......is there an echo here?

vonhosen

40,233 posts

217 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Theft is far more prevalent than PtCoJ, that sentencing will part of the reason for that.

bad company

18,588 posts

266 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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vonhosen said:
Theft is far more prevalent than PtCoJ, that sentencing will part of the reason for that.
And I would say more serious although it’s not seen that way.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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vonhosen said:
Theft is far more prevalent than PtCoJ, that sentencing will part of the reason for that.
Supply and demand then?

The more people doing a dose of PCoJ, the punishment for it will decrease.

popeyewhite

19,884 posts

120 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Perverting the course of justice? Chucking a laser-jammer away? rofl

vonhosen

40,233 posts

217 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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anonymous said:
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There are exponentially more chances in day to day life to lie & cheat than steal.

There are fewer people willing to go up the theft chain to get to armed robbery than there are willing to do a bit of petty theft.
There are likewise fewer people willing to go up the lying & cheating chain to PtCoJ than there are willing to do a bit of petty fibbing.


cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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popeyewhite said:
Perverting the course of justice? Chucking a laser-jammer away? rofl
Don't take the piss, that is a very serious offence. Or at least it became one when they called it perverting the course of justice, because that undermines the fabric of society.

warch

2,941 posts

154 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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If you've even seen how much time and money is wasted in criminal cases by people lying or falsifying evidence then you'd understand why the judiciary takes such a dim view of it.

Yes, in the grand scheme of things, using a laser jammer ia minor offence, but in that case why go to such extraordinary lengths to avoid what would have been a few points and a small fine? The defendant did just that, wasted a lot of police time and got duly punished for it.

Where I live, traffic police are practically non existent these days, so the roads of chocka with people driving like s. A few camera vans and unmarked cars to slow them down would be fantastic.


jm doc

2,791 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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warch said:
If you've even seen how much time and money is wasted in criminal cases by people lying or falsifying evidence then you'd understand why the judiciary takes such a dim view of it.

Yes, in the grand scheme of things, using a laser jammer ia minor offence, but in that case why go to such extraordinary lengths to avoid what would have been a few points and a small fine? The defendant did just that, wasted a lot of police time and got duly punished for it.

Where I live, traffic police are practically non existent these days, so the roads of chocka with people driving like s. A few camera vans and unmarked cars to slow them down would be fantastic.
but in that case why go to such extraordinary lengths to avoid what would have been a few points and a small fine?

Exactly what the police, judiciary and politicians should be asking themselves. Why do people feel so driven to do that?? They could ask themselves if it's anything to do with the huge proliferation of camera vans and unmarked cars dedicated to catching people exceeding speed limits by marginal amounts often for very brief periods with absolutely no consideration as to the context, or could it be the wholesale reduction in speed limits across thousands of miles of perfectly safe roads, or the massive financial scam being perpetrated on motorists by people with significant conflicts of interest?? Could it be anything to do with the oppressive atmosphere that now exists on the road network whereby you have to crawl along at hopelessly unrealistic limits, or choose a sensible and safe speed but spend the whole journey worrying about scamera's. All of which is a direct result of the current policies in respect of speed limits and their enforcement?


A few camera vans and unmarked cars to slow them down would be fantastic.

And what planet do you live on? The country is infested with them.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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jm doc said:
Why do people feel so driven to do that?? They could ask themselves if it's anything to do with the huge proliferation of camera vans and unmarked cars dedicated to catching people exceeding speed limits...
confused

jm doc

2,791 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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La Liga said:
jm doc said:
Why do people feel so driven to do that?? They could ask themselves if it's anything to do with the huge proliferation of camera vans and unmarked cars dedicated to catching people exceeding speed limits...
confused
So there hasn't been a proliferation of unmarked cars? In my experience there are more unmarked cars out there now than traffic cars.

anonymous-user

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54 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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I think that those sort of specialist vehicles have reduced with overall traffic officer numbers over the last 15 years.


Greendubber

13,211 posts

203 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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jm doc said:
La Liga said:
jm doc said:
Why do people feel so driven to do that?? They could ask themselves if it's anything to do with the huge proliferation of camera vans and unmarked cars dedicated to catching people exceeding speed limits...
confused
So there hasn't been a proliferation of unmarked cars? In my experience there are more unmarked cars out there now than traffic cars.
No, far from it. We used to have way more unmarked where I work than we do now.

EU_Foreigner

2,833 posts

226 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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anonymous said:
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That is so true.

Only for motoring "crimes" does the PCOJ come out as a default punishment if you try to avoid capture, whilst for any other crime where the criminal hides their burglary tools, the pedophile clears their browsing cache, it does not happen.