Ford USA stop all cars except Mustang and one Focus model
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Ford North America will stop production of all their cars except the Mustang and Focus Active (because it's classes as a crossover), and keep the 4x4/SUV/pickup models. No more Fiesta, Taurus, C-Max or Fusion, and one Focus model.
Because they don't sell that many and they lose money on them.
Ford North America will stop production of all their cars except the Mustang and Focus Active (because it's classes as a crossover), and keep the 4x4/SUV/pickup models. No more Fiesta, Taurus, C-Max or Fusion, and one Focus model.
Because they don't sell that many and they lose money on them.
Riley Blue said:
Invertigo said:
Not particularly shocking that American consumers aren't buying small cars, especially when everything there is designed to cater for larger vehicles than the UK and Europe.
Have you been there lately? You can certainly see a rise in medium sized suvs and crossovers, but smaller cars are certainly not prevalent.
in my rental Mustang in Virginia last year i was normally at eye-level with wheel hubs in traffic.
Invertigo said:
Not particularly shocking that American consumers aren't buying small cars, especially when everything there is designed to cater for larger vehicles than the UK and Europe.
Its more a case of not being able to compete with the Japanese and Koreans.GM sold off their European divisions to PSA but are still making small cars via GM Daewoo in Korea, many assembled in Mexico. So Chevy are still offering the Spark and Cruze (both dreadful cars that were very fortunately, not offered here), Fiat/Chrysler are selling small Fiats/Alfas under the Dodge name with American style 2L engines. Ford doesn't have any small cars that don't come from Europe, despite a Focus or Fiesta being far superior, they simply cant compete on price with a Mexican made, designed to be cheap and nasty Chevy Cruze.
Ford US are struggling, which is why they're cutting model lines, international sales of the Mustang are lacklustre and they're terminally frightened the Japanese truck "ban" will be removed. If the Toyota Hilux was permitted to be sold in the US, it'll kill Fords golden goose, the F-series.
The "ban" is the fact that GM/Ford lobby to keep the US's diesel emission standards different to the ROTW so that Japanese turbo-diesels continually fail, preventing pickups like the Hilux from being sold there.
I’ve just spent some time in New York visiting family there
It’s a few years since I was last there and it was quite shocking how the cars have changed
Very few American cars around .. huge numbers of Japanese, European and even Korean cars everywhere
Indeed most of the yellow cabs seemed to be Toyota’s or Honda’s .. or Ford Transit connects ( built in Turkey I think )
There were lots of smaller cars .. Fiat 500’s and 500X models, Mini’s and Prius etc
I also went to the Motor Show whilst I was there and to be fair most of the US stuff on display looked dire
Sister in law drives and Audi A3,and her hubby a Toyota pick-up
It’s a few years since I was last there and it was quite shocking how the cars have changed
Very few American cars around .. huge numbers of Japanese, European and even Korean cars everywhere
Indeed most of the yellow cabs seemed to be Toyota’s or Honda’s .. or Ford Transit connects ( built in Turkey I think )
There were lots of smaller cars .. Fiat 500’s and 500X models, Mini’s and Prius etc
I also went to the Motor Show whilst I was there and to be fair most of the US stuff on display looked dire
Sister in law drives and Audi A3,and her hubby a Toyota pick-up
CABC said:
Riley Blue said:
Invertigo said:
Not particularly shocking that American consumers aren't buying small cars, especially when everything there is designed to cater for larger vehicles than the UK and Europe.
Have you been there lately? You can certainly see a rise in medium sized suvs and crossovers, but smaller cars are certainly not prevalent.
in my rental Mustang in Virginia last year i was normally at eye-level with wheel hubs in traffic.
The reason I asked is that a nephew has just moved to LA from Seattle (previously New York). He tells me that many people, especially the under-30s, are buying smaller cars and that in new apartments, like his, that are built with garages underneath, the allocated spaces are deliberately too small for large cars and SUVs.
ETA: BTW - he doesn't drive but his wife has a Fiesta.
Edited by Riley Blue on Thursday 26th April 10:42
Klippie said:
The UK is getting that way as well there are lots of SUV's and the like on the roads now, I can't understand why anyone would need an SUV in the first place they should be taxing these horrid things off the road.
Maybe try to sort out the 'I can't understand' bit before wading in?Really does depend where you are in the US. In NY, sure there are smaller cars because it's a big city and space is at a premium. Where Iived in Georgia and close by (Texas, Tenessee) the Gas is cheap and people buy trucks and SUV's. Even where I lived in suburbia a lot of people had a truck (F150's and F250's) with no real need apart from tailgating at games.
A mate of mine sells Trucks in Georgia and he is really sure that demand for trucks is not going down. It could be bravado on his part but the roads tell the story of trucks and large cars
A mate of mine sells Trucks in Georgia and he is really sure that demand for trucks is not going down. It could be bravado on his part but the roads tell the story of trucks and large cars
Clivey said:
The Hilux is much smaller than the F-Series trucks; Ford’s rival is the Ranger. Toyota sell the Tacoma and Tundra in the States to compete with domestic pickups from the “Big Three”. ??
Its not that much smaller than an F150, but the Hilux has a 2.4L I4 turbo diesel that can carry and tow as much as an 6L V8 petrol F150 for much less MPG, lower purchase price and it wont fall apart within 2 years. The emissions laws are used to keep Japanese turbo diesels out because they know that if they were permitted to be sold there, it'd be all over for American pickups. Just for a laugh, look up a water pump gasket for a 2006 Tacoma... and simply describe the part for me.
captain_cynic said:
Its not that much smaller than an F150, but the Hilux has a 2.4L I4 turbo diesel that can carry and tow as much as an 6L V8 petrol F150 for much less MPG, lower purchase price and it wont fall apart within 2 years. The emissions laws are used to keep Japanese turbo diesels out because they know that if they were permitted to be sold there, it'd be all over for American pickups.
Just for a laugh, look up a water pump gasket for a 2006 Tacoma... and simply describe the part for me.
What absolute nonsense. I know of many F150s, RAMs and Silverados/Sierras that have cracked half a million miles on original non wear and tear components. And the japs can carry the same as the yanks but not for long, suspension, chassis and drivetrain aren't up to the mileages when used as workhorses. Just for a laugh, look up a water pump gasket for a 2006 Tacoma... and simply describe the part for me.
My first job was picking up brake drums for Titan and Scania buses and delivering them to bus garages around London in the early hours. Chap I was employed by had a 1990 F250, moon miles and took the punishment night in, night out. Stagecoach's previous solution were company Mazda/Toyota pickups that basically broke in half every two years.
FerdiZ28 said:
What absolute nonsense. I know of many F150s, RAMs and Silverados/Sierras that have cracked half a million miles on original non wear and tear components. And the japs can carry the same as the yanks but not for long, suspension, chassis and drivetrain aren't up to the mileages when used as workhorses.
That is absolute nonsense. I'm from Australia, Ford tried selling the F150 there for a while. It didn't work because it would be dead within a few years. Rusted if you lived on the coast, overheated and blown head gaskets if you lived inland. These cars are notoriously poorly constructed, driving along a rutted dirt track that a stock standard European Econobox could survive would shake half the trim off. Australia is ute obsessed... but amazingly the F150 did extremely poorly because it was more unreliable than a Holden (and to Holden's credit, they were cheap to fix).
After rusted out defenders, rusted out F150's were the most common hulk found near rural roads in Australia... And the Defender was sold in Oz through out it's entire lifespan.
Meanwhile, 500,000 miles isn't even run in for a Hilux. Plenty of these going with 2,000,000 miles on it.
Edited by captain_cynic on Thursday 26th April 10:52
CABC said:
Riley Blue said:
Invertigo said:
Not particularly shocking that American consumers aren't buying small cars, especially when everything there is designed to cater for larger vehicles than the UK and Europe.
Have you been there lately? You can certainly see a rise in medium sized suvs and crossovers, but smaller cars are certainly not prevalent.
in my rental Mustang in Virginia last year i was normally at eye-level with wheel hubs in traffic.
Klippie said:
The UK is getting that way as well there are lots of SUV's and the like on the roads now, I can't understand why anyone would need an SUV in the first place they should be taxing these horrid things off the road.
Troll.You have obviously just never required a large off roader before or driven one. Drive a modern full fat Range Rover with a large V8 petrol or diesel and tell me it's 'horrid'. I am not a fan but I can certainly see the appeal. The Ford Ranger and the Raptor look very appealing to me too. High driving position for visibility, I assume great towing capabilities and I believe in the UK they are so popular due to tax reasons? I am not into SUVs/trucks as much as hot hatches so at the moment I can't see myself owning one, but I can certainly understand the appeal and why Ford are making this move.
Edited by neil1jnr on Thursday 26th April 11:39
captain_cynic said:
FerdiZ28 said:
What absolute nonsense. I know of many F150s, RAMs and Silverados/Sierras that have cracked half a million miles on original non wear and tear components. And the japs can carry the same as the yanks but not for long, suspension, chassis and drivetrain aren't up to the mileages when used as workhorses.
That is absolute nonsense. I'm from Australia, Ford tried selling the F150 there for a while. It didn't work because it would be dead within a few years. Rusted if you lived on the coast, overheated and blown head gaskets if you lived inland. These cars are notoriously poorly constructed, driving along a rutted dirt track that a stock standard European Econobox could survive would shake half the trim off. Australia is ute obsessed... but amazingly the F150 did extremely poorly because it was more unreliable than a Holden (and to Holden's credit, they were cheap to fix).
After rusted out defenders, rusted out F150's were the most common hulk found near rural roads in Australia... And the Defender was sold in Oz through out it's entire lifespan.
Meanwhile, 500,000 miles isn't even run in for a Hilux. Plenty of these going with 2,000,000 miles on it.
Edited by captain_cynic on Thursday 26th April 10:52
As for those rough roads, when MB did did a publicity stunt by driven some G-Wagens through the desert a few years ago they all had to be recovered as the corrugated road surfaces gave them a jolly good shake and busted their suspension. But that may be more an indication of MB quality nowadays rather than the roughness of the roads.......
captain_cynic said:
That is absolute nonsense.
I'm from Australia, Ford tried selling the F150 there for a while. It didn't work because it would be dead within a few years. Rusted if you lived on the coast, overheated and blown head gaskets if you lived inland. These cars are notoriously poorly constructed, driving along a rutted dirt track that a stock standard European Econobox could survive would shake half the trim off. Australia is ute obsessed... but amazingly the F150 did extremely poorly because it was more unreliable than a Holden (and to Holden's credit, they were cheap to fix).
After rusted out defenders, rusted out F150's were the most common hulk found near rural roads in Australia... And the Defender was sold in Oz through out it's entire lifespan.
Meanwhile, 500,000 miles isn't even run in for a Hilux. Plenty of these going with 2,000,000 miles on it.
Plenty of yank trucks cracking on with that mileage too. Australia is a horrid place that kills everything, only reason there aren't as many yank trucks as local/Asian ones is the left hand drive element, no reflection on their strength or reliability.
I'm from Australia, Ford tried selling the F150 there for a while. It didn't work because it would be dead within a few years. Rusted if you lived on the coast, overheated and blown head gaskets if you lived inland. These cars are notoriously poorly constructed, driving along a rutted dirt track that a stock standard European Econobox could survive would shake half the trim off. Australia is ute obsessed... but amazingly the F150 did extremely poorly because it was more unreliable than a Holden (and to Holden's credit, they were cheap to fix).
After rusted out defenders, rusted out F150's were the most common hulk found near rural roads in Australia... And the Defender was sold in Oz through out it's entire lifespan.
Meanwhile, 500,000 miles isn't even run in for a Hilux. Plenty of these going with 2,000,000 miles on it.
Plenty of yank trucks cracking on with that mileage too. Australia is a horrid place that kills everything, only reason there aren't as many yank trucks as local/Asian ones is the left hand drive element, no reflection on their strength or reliability.
Edited by captain_cynic on Thursday 26th April 10:52
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