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MilnerR said:
You have to rebel against the stupidity/unfairness of the situation to affect change. Would the Berlin wall have come down if the population of the Eastern Bloc had just said "ignore it, don't get in any trouble and they'll get bored of oppressing us" 
I accept that the situation regarding communist dictatorships and our present government are completly different.......
I lived in Leipzig for three months under Stasis. I see stark similarities creeping in.
There were thousands of silly laws and surveillance was rife. It was a shocking experience und think that ist where I really became adult.
BliarOut said:
From what I read in the draft legislation, it won't need signs, as it will be a blanket 12MPH limit for cyclists, much like the current NSL for cars.
Sounds like you cyclists are in for a similar tax raising binge just like us motorists!!!
I sincerely hope they also insist on compulsory insurance.
superflid said:
I do think that they are unfair!
I just don't think that if I were to speed and be caught I would have done anything positive in getting rid of the schemes.
Now that is an interesting point.
What are your suggestions for getting rid of the schemes, remembering that simply not speeding will only encourage the proliferation of cameras and lowering of limits. Both of which are already widespread.
Think of it from my perspective though. I value my licence a lot and I really do enjoy driving (honestly I do, I may sound like I don't). I also need it for my job.
If I were to go down the road nearest to me with 4 speed cameras on and get caught on every one, thats my licence gone. My insurance would go up, I would have to use the disgraceful public transport system, and I would be very very disappointed.
Ok, maybe I could flick a finger at the partnership in defiance, but what good will this do for me?? I would lose out a hell of a lot more than I would gain.
Its frustrating because what can you do to sort out the problem with speed partnerships? Is there any chance we could ALL overload the system by constantly speeding everywhere? If this is so then we need a proper group effort from thousands of motorists, and would this happen?
The only other way I have been informed of getting rid of speed partnerships (although I don't condone this) is the use of criminal damage, hint hint. I won't be caught doing this because I am dead against any form of criminal damage. But would this work with a concerted effort by vandals??
superflid said:
From what I read in the draft legislation, it won't need signs, as it will be a blanket 12MPH limit for cyclists, much like the current NSL for cars.
Sounds like you cyclists are in for a similar tax raising binge just like us motorists!!!
I sincerely hope they also insist on compulsory insurance.
Nothing wrong with that. I would be miffed if my £1300 bike got trashed and it wasn't insured!!
funkyrobot said:
You're really flogging a dead horse on this subject now Funky
Why? It makes a hell of a lot of sense.
If money taken from fines can be used to build more cameras, why speed and pay them more??
Liebchen ... the peeople getting pinged... they are not the wide boy speeder types. They are normal, generally law abiding persons who tootle around safely und harmlessly minding own business.
They are not being fined for breaking law exceesively -- they are being fined over trivialities becuase for the half second or so onde drives over those little white lines on road on camber ... they have drifted without noticing to 35-36 mph. They may even have been 28 mph 200 feet or so before scam und felt they were legal. People do not always feel a gradual speed build up.
People like me und seasoned experienced petrol heads - feel speed. I grew up feeling speed on ski slopes above Appenzell. At school - where you play netball und football in UK - we played ice hockey und our version of athletics was... speed skating. I got sense of speed from this and from,earliest age, watching my Papa und all my uncles race on track days und rallies around Austria, Germany und even Switzerland before they went a bit silly on motor racing heats in our Alps.
I also go on track days und so on ... you get to understand car und handling und performance by doing this.
But ist not question of racing around on public roads...ist question of constantly reduced speed limits mit little warning in Lancs - which usually enforced by scam hidden somewhere in roadside furniture und scams hidden in foliage in Cumbria... but at least his timetable ist reliable
und wily cats like me can use sixth sense But the people who get pinged are still the average drivers who are safe on average, compliant most of time - but who get caught out by these little tricks und scams.
Und .. really ace drivers use useful gadgets as well..
as safety net... Und my excuse ist... they tell me where all the schools are as schools are not on main roads... they are tucked down residential side streets. Und they also tell me where Durham's Kengestion box ist in vicinity when I vist dearest cousin or Londopn's Kengestion when visit dearest cousins down there. So there
funkyrobot said:
BliarOut said:
From what I read in the draft legislation, it won't need signs, as it will be a blanket 12MPH limit for cyclists, much like the current NSL for cars.
Sounds like you cyclists are in for a similar tax raising binge just like us motorists!!!
I sincerely hope they also insist on compulsory insurance.
Nothing wrong with that. I would be miffed if my £1300 bike got trashed and it wasn't insured!!
We insure our bikes as we also purchased a qulaity bike.
But doubt whether thos idiots who purchase the £69 bike for Tesco or halfords will bother mit insurances - und they form majority of the muesli munching twazaks.
Those who take pride in purchasing best bike - usually the enthusiast who cycles craftwise
On Speeding
I just noticed that the report said that there were 2.2 million speeders caught in a year. Surely there should have been a hell of a lot more crashes involving speed if all those people really were speeding.
On Bicycle Insurance
Cycling insurance could be a real scam. If a car hits you, then your insurance company can claim against the car drivers insurance company. If you're a cyclist and you hit a car, then there's no need to stop as you're effectively unidentifiable. Hmm, something's not quite right here don't you think?
I just noticed that the report said that there were 2.2 million speeders caught in a year. Surely there should have been a hell of a lot more crashes involving speed if all those people really were speeding.
On Bicycle Insurance
Cycling insurance could be a real scam. If a car hits you, then your insurance company can claim against the car drivers insurance company. If you're a cyclist and you hit a car, then there's no need to stop as you're effectively unidentifiable. Hmm, something's not quite right here don't you think?
WildCat said:
funkyrobot said:
superflid said:
BliarOut said:
From what I read in the draft legislation, it won't need signs, as it will be a blanket 12MPH limit for cyclists, much like the current NSL for cars.
Sounds like you cyclists are in for a similar tax raising binge just like us motorists!!!
I sincerely hope they also insist on compulsory insurance.
Nothing wrong with that. I would be miffed if my £1300 bike got trashed and it wasn't insured!!
We insure our bikes as we also purchased a qulaity bike.
But doubt whether thos idiots who purchase the £69 bike for Tesco or halfords will bother mit insurances - und they form majority of the muesli munching twazaks.
Those who take pride in purchasing best bike - usually the enthusiast who cycles craftwise
That is me wildcat, I have spent no end of money on my bikes and accessories. My new cycle helmet just set me back over £70.00. I ride courteously on the road and never go on the pavements or jump lights etc.
It will be, as you say, the casual cyclist who buys their £50 monster from Tesco etc who will give every cyclist a bad name. They are most probably the sort who go out at night with dark clothes on and no lights, very stupid indeed.
Anyway, how come you didn't start your post this time with Lieberchen or whatever it is? :smile:
>> Edited by funkyrobot on Wednesday 27th April 13:41
bennyboysvuk said:
On Speeding
I just noticed that the report said that there were 2.2 million speeders caught in a year. Surely there should have been a hell of a lot more crashes involving speed if all those people really were speeding.
On Bicycle Insurance
Cycling insurance could be a real scam. If a car hits you, then your insurance company can claim against the car drivers insurance company. If you're a cyclist and you hit a car, then there's no need to stop as you're effectively unidentifiable. Hmm, something's not quite right here don't you think?
I agree with that, its still criminal damage at the end of the day. However, how many times have car drivers not stopped at accident scenes even though they have number plates??
bennyboysvuk said:
On Speeding
I just noticed that the report said that there were 2.2 million speeders caught in a year. Surely there should have been a hell of a lot more crashes involving speed if all those people really were speeding.
Proves that being a tadge over a limit is not dangerous
Or that these traps are on safest roads and only there to generate cash
bennyboysvuk said:
On Bicycle Insurance
Cycling insurance could be a real scam. If a car hits you, then your insurance company can claim against the car drivers insurance company. If you're a cyclist and you hit a car, then there's no need to stop as you're effectively unidentifiable. Hmm, something's not quite right here don't you think?
True.. many insure on household insurance. Ist usually third party and can be a so and so to get proper damages as result - assuming they leave details.
Lot just wobble off on way...und driver loses no claims bonus as his company cannot recoup damages 
Ist only thing in favour of carrying ID card.... it should be made offence not to show papers if in crunch. Ist case in Switzerland where we have to carry ID..But then .. these muesli munchers - the ones who ignore red lights, cycle on pavements und so on... they would probably ignore this rule as well..
Funkiest robotic one ... ist probably amongst those who would comply as he rides decent bike und drives relatively decent car. But.. ist young 
he needs to be educated....und we should be encouraging to do IAM, RoSPA , HPC.. Und hopefully, he will think both as driver und cyclist...und be able to realise that he can be courteous to cyclist at 30 mph und over...
funkyrobot said:
funkyrobot said:
superflid said:
BliarOut said:
From what I read in the draft legislation, it won't need signs, as it will be a blanket 12MPH limit for cyclists, much like the current NSL for cars.
Sounds like you cyclists are in for a similar tax raising binge just like us motorists!!!
I sincerely hope they also insist on compulsory insurance.
Nothing wrong with that. I would be miffed if my £1300 bike got trashed and it wasn't insured!!
We insure our bikes as we also purchased a qulaity bike.
But doubt whether thos idiots who purchase the £69 bike for Tesco or halfords will bother mit insurances - und they form majority of the muesli munching twazaks.
Those who take pride in purchasing best bike - usually the enthusiast who cycles craftwise
That is me wildcat, I have spent no end of money on my bikes and accessories. My new cycle helmet just set me back over £70.00. I ride courteously on the road and never go on the pavements or jump lights etc.
It will be, as you say, the casual cyclist who buys their £50 monster from Tesco etc who will give every cyclist a bad name. They are most probably the sort who go out at night with dark clothes on and no lights, very stupid indeed.
Anyway, how come you didn't start your post this time with Lieberchen or whatever it is? :smile:
>> Edited by funkyrobot on Wednesday 27th April 13:41
Ach Liebchen - was in middle of fish sandwich washed down mit creamy drink
You know what felines are like 
Liebchen ist colloquialism of Appenzell - where we come from. Ist pretty area - 40 mile from Bodensee und about same distance from Austrian Vorarlberg.
Ist formed from "Liebe" (love) und "chen" means "little" We also have "ling" und "lein" und "l" to make things small und cute in our language.
Thus "Liebchen" ist little love or sweetie./deary sweetheart, darling und so on.
There are thos on here who googled on Babelfish to find out what it meant
Only they typed in Leibchen ... und thought I was calling them "my little corset" funkiest robotic Liebchen said:
On Speeding
I just noticed that the report said that there were 2.2 million speeders caught in a year. Surely there should have been a hell of a lot more crashes involving speed if all those people really were speeding.
On Bicycle Insurance
Cycling insurance could be a real scam. If a car hits you, then your insurance company can claim against the car drivers insurance company. If you're a cyclist and you hit a car, then there's no need to stop as you're effectively unidentifiable. Hmm, something's not quite right here don't you think?
I agree with that, its still criminal damage at the end of the day. However, how many times have car drivers not stopped at accident scenes even though they have number plates??
Because they are in throwaways? Or in stolen car... or not insured, in unregistered car....unlicenced/ jpy rider?
They may trace to RK - but if RK has reported car as stolen und has crime number.... or if DVLA has not updated record of ownership change - und has been known as this ist numpty civil servant who ist very junior keyboard basher und swamped mit mile high in-tray....
Ist never so simple or clear cut ...my funky Liebchen
WildCat said:Wildy - if Prince Charles could have fantasies about being Camilla's female hygiene ... can I please be your little corset?
There are thos on here who googled on Babelfish to find out what it meant
Streaky
funkyrobot said:I suspect the insurance referred to was third-party and personal liability - specifically for the cyclist (and not as part of a domestic policy) ... that's where one of the issues over cyclists' responsibilities to other road users lies - Streaky
From what I read in the draft legislation, it won't need signs, as it will be a blanket 12MPH limit for cyclists, much like the current NSL for cars.
Sounds like you cyclists are in for a similar tax raising binge just like us motorists!!!
WildCat said:
bennyboysvuk said:
On Speeding
I just noticed that the report said that there were 2.2 million speeders caught in a year. Surely there should have been a hell of a lot more crashes involving speed if all those people really were speeding.
On Bicycle Insurance
Cycling insurance could be a real scam. If a car hits you, then your insurance company can claim against the car drivers insurance company. If you're a cyclist and you hit a car, then there's no need to stop as you're effectively unidentifiable. Hmm, something's not quite right here don't you think?
I agree with that, its still criminal damage at the end of the day. However, how many times have car drivers not stopped at accident scenes even though they have number plates??
Because they are in throwaways? Or in stolen car... or not insured, in unregistered car....unlicenced/ jpy rider?
They may trace to RK - but if RK has reported car as stolen und has crime number.... or if DVLA has not updated record of ownership change - und has been known as this ist numpty civil servant who ist very junior keyboard basher und swamped mit mile high in-tray....
Ist never so simple or clear cut ...my funky Liebchen
Precisely!!
If it happens like this with cars, it will surely happen with bicycles my feline forummer!
streaky said:
There are thos on here who googled on Babelfish to find out what it meant
Wildy - if Prince Charles could have fantasies about being Camilla's female hygiene ... can I please be your little corset?
Streaky
Aber natuerlich mein liebstes Leibchen
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