A judgment from Leeds High Court

A judgment from Leeds High Court

Author
Discussion

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
Based on the opening paragraphs, you may decide you want to read the rest (it is only 20 points)

A PRELIMINARY OBSERVATION

His Honour Judge Davy QC, before whom this matter was heard at first instance, bore witness to a festival of mendacity. The judge warned the parties that he intended to send a transcript of his judgment together with the case papers to the Director of Public Prosecutions. My inquiries have revealed that, in the event, this was not done. That is an omission which this Court intends to put right.

INTRODUCTION

I will keep this short. The claimant and the three defendants are brothers. Their father had developed a business empire the assets of which included a number of properties. After the death of his father, it was the second defendant who assumed de facto control of the relevant businesses the details of the operation and profitability of which were but lightly touched upon in the tax returns of the defendants.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2018/1258.h...

TooLateForAName

4,747 posts

184 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
Very amusing smile

You have to wonder about some people.

ElectricPics

761 posts

81 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
Priceless!


Jasandjules

69,895 posts

229 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
It is quite normal for parties to lie through their teeth - well, generally one party is lying a lot.... It is rare for a Court to actively point this out. I hope this case sets a precedent and more who perjure are referred for prosecution.

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
I shall definitely be using

Judge said:
a rich display of competitive dishonesty
more in everyday life. Quite a delicious turn of phrase.


BMWBen

4,899 posts

201 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
Is the bottom line here that they were all so full of st that the judge decided to just tell them to all fk off out of his court?

Legal humour isn't my strong point... laugh

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
I love this so much. My current job involves a lot of this, but with a few dozen noughts added on to the end of the money numbers, and the disputants aren't in Leeds. I am going to frame this judgment.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
See also Elizabeth Gloster (now Lady Justice Gloster) in Berezovsky v Abramovich 2012] EWHC 2463 (Comm)


"I found Mr. Berezovsky an unimpressive, and inherently unreliable, witness, who regarded truth as a transitory, flexible concept, which could be moulded to suit his current purposes. At times, the evidence which he gave was deliberately dishonest; sometimes he was clearly making his evidence up as he went along in response to the perceived difficulty in answering the questions in a manner consistent with his case; at other times, I gained the impression that he was not necessarily being deliberately dishonest, but had deluded himself into believing his own version of events. On occasions he tried to avoid answering questions by making long and irrelevant speeches, or by professing to have forgotten facts which he had been happy to record in his pleadings or witness statements. He embroidered and supplemented statements in his witness statements, or directly contradicted them. He departed from his own previous oral evidence, sometimes within minutes of having given it. When the evidence presented problems, Mr. Berezovsky simply changed his case so as to dovetail it in with the new facts, as best he could. He repeatedly sought to distance himself from statements in pleadings and in witness statements which he had signed or approved, blaming the "interpretation" of his lawyers, as if this somehow diminished his personal responsibility for accounts of the facts, which must have been derived from him and which he had verified as his own."

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Comm/2012/2463...


CanAm

9,206 posts

272 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
Peter Cook would have been proud to have produced such wonderful turns of phrase.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
I'm no legal type, but I really enjoyed reading that. Very droll

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
Judges, being quite often highly educated, very well read, broadly cultured, and worldly wise are often droll and witty, although some of them can be dull. The best barristers are often deliberately hilarious in Court, although it is important to assess first whether the Judge likes jokes at all, or only likes his or her own jokes.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
Breadvan72 said:
I love this so much. My current job involves a lot of this, but with a few dozen noughts added on to the end of the money numbers, and the disputants aren't in Leeds. I am going to frame this judgment.
It is a shame the proceedings from the original trial aren’t easily available online

mikeveal

4,573 posts

250 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
"Attempting to establish the common but unstated intention of a group of individuals all giving honest but conflicting evidence is difficult enough. Where, as here, each witness is attempting to outdo the other in a rich display of competitive dishonesty the task of the judge is unenviable. Notwithstanding these challenges, I am satisfied that the judge applied the correct legal test and reached a conclusion which fully reflected what little objective fact he could salvage from the tangled web of deceit which the parties had so enthusiastically weaved when giving their evidence."

Lovely!

FiF

44,085 posts

251 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
Particularly appreciated " he regards telling the truth as simply no more than a lifestyle choice."


wc98

10,401 posts

140 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
FiF said:
Particularly appreciated " he regards telling the truth as simply no more than a lifestyle choice."
that was my favourite line of many in there. nice to see a sense of (very dry) humour where i wouldn't expect it.

anothernameitist

1,500 posts

135 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
Well there are some real phrases in there.

Winking at defendents cousel

You could you you couldn't make it up, but these spivs and chancers have proved that you can make it up


ellingtj

299 posts

274 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
I could spend all day on that site, fascinating! I like this one, http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2018/37.htm... £318 per day for a merc rental!! No wonder the gov want to crack down on these accident management claims.

Mr Teddy Bear

186 posts

191 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
That reminds me of 'one or two' civil servants I had to work for & around.

S11Steve

6,374 posts

184 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
ellingtj said:
£318 per day for a merc rental!! No wonder the gov want to crack down on these accident management claims.
That's a relative bargain - I've seen Fiat 500s go out for more than that on accident replacements - when they have been sourced for £35+Vat a week....

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
quotequote all
wc98 said:
that was my favourite line of many in there. nice to see a sense of (very dry) humour where i wouldn't expect it.
Why not? Dry humour is very much a thing in many courts. There is a worrying trend for Judges to be plodders these days, but the best Judges still have nimble minds, and often see the funny side of their work. Litigation is the Theatre of Blood and Cruelty, and so humour is essential.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th May 13:04