Fences & Neighbours
Discussion
Cyberprog said:
Not the stupidest suggestion! I'd already considered a inner fence actually to stop the dogs from getting to the boundary, and that will likely be done when the extension and other building work happens. It'll also make poo-picking a darn sight easier!
I would still put one up inside the fence panels (actually, I did too)........ Or chicken wire subject to the size of the mutts.
DrDeAtH said:
Some bamboo or Japanese knotweed would look lovely....
Lol, the missus was suggesting bamboo - I shot that one down. Once we've got the borders all clear then I'm looking at maybe a cherry, pear and a couple of conifers - basically trees which don't have much low down branches once established, but will give the above fence level screening that I'd like. The border can then be filled with chippings and managed a bit better by just knocking back anything that grows!Cyberprog said:
Lol, the missus was suggesting bamboo - I shot that one down. Once we've got the borders all clear then I'm looking at maybe a cherry, pear and a couple of conifers - basically trees which don't have much low down branches once established, but will give the above fence level screening that I'd like. The border can then be filled with chippings and managed a bit better by just knocking back anything that grows!
Might want to avoid cherry, it forever puts out suckers so if it is next to a lawn it will try and pop up and every time you mow it back it will stimulate growth, plus if the fence is just sat at ground level rather than under ground with any foundation, the cherry tree suckers will pop up on their side too.You wouldn’t want them getting an artisan arborist in to treat them and then demanding you cough up for his daily rates do you?
OP, do you think now it would have been better just to get your own fence put up and suck up the (inflated, IMO) £2k rather than waste your BH weekend, will have to repair it all in a few years anyway, and made yourself look a bit of a berk of a neighbour on here? Lets face it, it's only like 4 payments on a generic german TDi printer-salesman wagon.
Or do you think the financial power trip/snob factor you were trying to exert over your neighbours (who are now sitting at home laughing at you and your £2k quote) was worth it?
I know what I think.
Were it me, I'd plant a hedge along the boundary so that in 5 years time you can forget the s
tty fence was even there, let it rot. A nice Brabant-type conifer hedge will stop the dogs too. 
Or do you think the financial power trip/snob factor you were trying to exert over your neighbours (who are now sitting at home laughing at you and your £2k quote) was worth it?
I know what I think.
Were it me, I'd plant a hedge along the boundary so that in 5 years time you can forget the s
tty fence was even there, let it rot. A nice Brabant-type conifer hedge will stop the dogs too. OpulentBob said:
OP, do you think now it would have been better just to get your own fence put up and suck up the (inflated, IMO) £2k rather than waste your BH weekend, will have to repair it all in a few years anyway, and made yourself look a bit of a berk of a neighbour on here? Lets face it, it's only like 4 payments on a generic german TDi printer-salesman wagon.
Or do you think the financial power trip/snob factor you were trying to exert over your neighbours (who are now sitting at home laughing at you and your £2k quote) was worth it?
I know what I think.
Were it me, I'd plant a hedge along the boundary so that in 5 years time you can forget the stty fence was even there, let it rot. A nice Brabant-type conifer hedge will stop the dogs too.
Given they clearly had the money to rent a van, buy a load of panels, and get it all in place, I find her claim to not have any money somewhat suspect. However I wasn't expecting them to move so quickly - if I'd have had the choice here I'd just have put the decent fence in and paid someone to do it - whether I'd get anything back out of them would have been academic, I wouldn't have considered it sufficient to fall out with them over. My original question has been misinterpreted as to my intentions.Or do you think the financial power trip/snob factor you were trying to exert over your neighbours (who are now sitting at home laughing at you and your £2k quote) was worth it?
I know what I think.
Were it me, I'd plant a hedge along the boundary so that in 5 years time you can forget the s
tty fence was even there, let it rot. A nice Brabant-type conifer hedge will stop the dogs too. FYI, their driveway has 3 vehicles on it, none less than 3 years old.
I certainly value wasting my bloody weekend at more than the £1k they might possibly have been responsible for, when it's prevented me from going and seeing my nephews and doing a number of other jobs that my time is better spent on. But here we are.
Red 4 said:
Toltec said:
I was wondering this, for comparison -
We had a concrete post fence put in last year, the existing fence was one I had put in sixteen years ago, it was still sound, however the small forty year old retaining wall it was just inside was starting to lean quite badly and as it crossed over three other neighbours I decided to sort it before it caused a problem. The company I had in removed the old fence and wall and used ten foot posts and two or three concrete gravel boards per section to form a new fence and to retain the 25 to 50cm soil height difference. It cost about £120 per section iirc, some companies quoted double and really didn't want to do it going on their attitude. Seven new sections of fence in two days, two guys on the first day removed the old fence and wall, four guys on the second put the new fence in.
For a 6' high fence materials cost per section should be about $55 (7" 9" concrete post, concrete base panel, 5' fence panel, sand, cement, chippings for the post base - or a bag of postcrete).We had a concrete post fence put in last year, the existing fence was one I had put in sixteen years ago, it was still sound, however the small forty year old retaining wall it was just inside was starting to lean quite badly and as it crossed over three other neighbours I decided to sort it before it caused a problem. The company I had in removed the old fence and wall and used ten foot posts and two or three concrete gravel boards per section to form a new fence and to retain the 25 to 50cm soil height difference. It cost about £120 per section iirc, some companies quoted double and really didn't want to do it going on their attitude. Seven new sections of fence in two days, two guys on the first day removed the old fence and wall, four guys on the second put the new fence in.
Obviously add labour on top but I'd expect at least 10 sections per day for 2 guys (digging out old posts and new posts in - I've done more than that in a day with a mate).
Plus disposal of old fence.
For 2 grand, the op's fence must be huge !! (Which I doubt it will be if it's just one boundary fence on a new build estate).
Edited by Red 4 on Sunday 27th May 18:35
Glad I'm not his neighbour!
Plants on his side cause damage to the fence, which his dogs make worse and then he expects the neighbours to help pay the costs to fix it!
Many of the people who post in S, P & L are reincarnations of the obnoxious character who appears in "The Hound of the Baskervilles"* in a minor comedic role. The character is a relentless litigant and complainer, very chippy about his "rights". He is now a modern archetype.
* Arguably one of the best Sherlock Holmes stories, not least because the protagonist for much of the novel is Dr John Watson, a man of spirit and action - no buffoonish sidekick he.
* Arguably one of the best Sherlock Holmes stories, not least because the protagonist for much of the novel is Dr John Watson, a man of spirit and action - no buffoonish sidekick he.
Breadvan72 said:
Many of the people who post in S, P & L are reincarnations of the obnoxious character who appears in "The Hound of the Baskervilles"* in a minor comedic role. The character is a relentless litigant and complainer, very chippy about his "rights". He is now a modern archetype.
* Arguably one of the best Sherlock Holmes stories, not least because the protagonist for much of the novel is Dr John Watson, a man of spirit and action - no buffoonish sidekick he.
Harsh.* Arguably one of the best Sherlock Holmes stories, not least because the protagonist for much of the novel is Dr John Watson, a man of spirit and action - no buffoonish sidekick he.
The op is clearly a man of action.
He's been reccy'ing the neighbours driveway and sussing out their cars whilst hatching a plan to put a charge on their house.
I hope the neighbours somehow manage to see this thread and realise what a lovely person they're dealing with.
Edited by Red 4 on Tuesday 29th May 13:40
Breadvan72 said:
Many of the people who post in S, P & L are reincarnations of the obnoxious character who appears in "The Hound of the Baskervilles"* in a minor comedic role. The character is a relentless litigant and complainer, very chippy about his "rights". He is now a modern archetype.
I'd say an equal number of posters are re-incarnations of Tony HancockOpulentBob said:
OP, do you think now it would have been better just to get your own fence put up and suck up the (inflated, IMO) £2k rather than waste your BH weekend, will have to repair it all in a few years anyway, and made yourself look a bit of a berk of a neighbour on here?
My suggestion that he should get rid of the dogs has been completely ignored.It is the best and most efficacious suggestion of all.
You know it makes sense.
Breadvan72 said:
Many of the people who post in S, P & L are reincarnations of the obnoxious character who appears in "The Hound of the Baskervilles"* in a minor comedic role. The character is a relentless litigant and complainer, very chippy about his "rights". He is now a modern archetype.
Mr Frankland - http://brokentune.booklikes.com/post/1476781/the-h...@36:05 -> 38:05 - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1w09t1
In the film Mr Frankland's dialogue is at the dinner table of Merripit House (the Stapletons' residence).
Whereas in the book he is standing at his garden gate when Dr Watson is returning from Coombe Tracey to Baskerville Hall.
See Chapter 11 - https://www.arthur-conan-doyle.com/index.php/The_H...
Mr Frankland's role is rather more than a comedic one. His character is the antithesis of Dr Mortimer.
He is the father of Laura Lyons whose letter to Sir Charles Baskerville lures him to his death.
Plus his mistaken assumption about what he has seen through his telescope is a key element in the storyline.
Fair points, and well made, but which film version do you mean? Basil Rathbone? My favourite is the one with Peter Cushing as Holmes and Christopher Lee as Baskerville. I like also the BBC version with Iain Glen, and the ITV Jeremy Brett version, Brett being perhaps the quintessential Holmes on screen, apart maybe from Robert Stephens.
Christopher Lee should have played more goodies. He is superb as heroic white magician and defier of Satan Le Duc de Richeleu in The Devil Rides Out, a stylish Hammer romp from the sixties.
Christopher Lee should have played more goodies. He is superb as heroic white magician and defier of Satan Le Duc de Richeleu in The Devil Rides Out, a stylish Hammer romp from the sixties.
Cyberprog said:
OK, so this has been resolved.
It's not the dogs fault - the panels are totally rotten, coupled with the plants the previous owner put in, have meant that the slightest bit of pressure to cause them to cave in.
Round here we're talking a minimum of £100/panel for a professional to get involved.
Anyway, I went out this afternoon and they'd already been out and bought literally the cheapest panels possible - which aren't even the right panels (they bought panels to go in a slotted post). I worked with them all afternoon, including a trip to B&Q to get two new posts as we discovered they'd rotted, and we've bodged the fence in for now. I'll have to have a further day to this now to fix their mistake and get some batten against the edge of each post to anchor the damn panels to.
I've offered to pay half and corrected them on the title deed line they were trying to throw in on me - when read with the title plan, you can see immediately that the line they were relying upon referred to the border to the north, which was marked as being their responsibility.
I'm not happy with the quality of the fence that's been installed. I'm not happy that I've basically lost two days of my weekend to this shenanigans, and I'd have rather paid someone to get it done - but we're past that. I've made it quite clear to them that if this cheap st they've installed fails in 5 years, we'll be replacing the whole damn thing how I wanted it doing and we'll have to argue about the cost then. It's a typical case of buy cheap buy thrice - but some people can't be swayed, and they have all pitched in to help on their side to be fair to them, with just me working on my end.
The deeds are very clear as per my original post, and that they have the same stuff in theirs - as they bought from Bryant homes just as the previous proprietor of my house did. The obligation is for us to both repair or replace and to share the cost. A fence is required as a result of the deeds (for all those saying there's no obligation to have the fence).
She is at least, happy with the outcome, and we'll have to plant some new trees to screen it off a bit. Where we are in 5 years we'll see. I'm betting she'll be gone by then - her oldest is already living elsewhere, her partner was roped in to assist, her son is 17ish IIRC and the other daughter a bit younger - give it a few years and they'll all be gone and it'll be some other poor bugger's problem. I shall see if she's happy to sign a boundary agreement and we can get the fence properly registered with the land registry in the mean time, I'm happy to spend the £40 required!
Glad to hear it's all been resolved. I've read this several times and can't help but think how lucky they are to have you as their neighbour.It's not the dogs fault - the panels are totally rotten, coupled with the plants the previous owner put in, have meant that the slightest bit of pressure to cause them to cave in.
Round here we're talking a minimum of £100/panel for a professional to get involved.
Anyway, I went out this afternoon and they'd already been out and bought literally the cheapest panels possible - which aren't even the right panels (they bought panels to go in a slotted post). I worked with them all afternoon, including a trip to B&Q to get two new posts as we discovered they'd rotted, and we've bodged the fence in for now. I'll have to have a further day to this now to fix their mistake and get some batten against the edge of each post to anchor the damn panels to.
I've offered to pay half and corrected them on the title deed line they were trying to throw in on me - when read with the title plan, you can see immediately that the line they were relying upon referred to the border to the north, which was marked as being their responsibility.
I'm not happy with the quality of the fence that's been installed. I'm not happy that I've basically lost two days of my weekend to this shenanigans, and I'd have rather paid someone to get it done - but we're past that. I've made it quite clear to them that if this cheap s
t they've installed fails in 5 years, we'll be replacing the whole damn thing how I wanted it doing and we'll have to argue about the cost then. It's a typical case of buy cheap buy thrice - but some people can't be swayed, and they have all pitched in to help on their side to be fair to them, with just me working on my end.The deeds are very clear as per my original post, and that they have the same stuff in theirs - as they bought from Bryant homes just as the previous proprietor of my house did. The obligation is for us to both repair or replace and to share the cost. A fence is required as a result of the deeds (for all those saying there's no obligation to have the fence).
She is at least, happy with the outcome, and we'll have to plant some new trees to screen it off a bit. Where we are in 5 years we'll see. I'm betting she'll be gone by then - her oldest is already living elsewhere, her partner was roped in to assist, her son is 17ish IIRC and the other daughter a bit younger - give it a few years and they'll all be gone and it'll be some other poor bugger's problem. I shall see if she's happy to sign a boundary agreement and we can get the fence properly registered with the land registry in the mean time, I'm happy to spend the £40 required!
Cyberprog said:
I'm not happy with the quality of the fence that's been installed. I'm not happy that I've basically lost two days of my weekend to this shenanigans, and I'd have rather paid someone to get it done - but we're past that. I've made it quite clear to them that if this cheap st they've installed fails in 5 years, we'll be replacing the whole damn thing how I wanted it doing and we'll have to argue about the cost then. It's a typical case of buy cheap buy thrice - but some people can't be swayed, and they have all pitched in to help on their side to be fair to them, with just me working on my end.
The deeds are very clear as per my original post, and that they have the same stuff in theirs - as they bought from Bryant homes just as the previous proprietor of my house did. The obligation is for us to both repair or replace and to share the cost. A fence is required as a result of the deeds (for all those saying there's no obligation to have the fence).
The deeds will not define the type of fence required, or the quality of the repair required, or what happens when the two parties disagree regarding the need for maintenance or the costs. They will certainly not help determine the point at which a fence is beyond economic repair and requires replacement. t they've installed fails in 5 years, we'll be replacing the whole damn thing how I wanted it doing and we'll have to argue about the cost then. It's a typical case of buy cheap buy thrice - but some people can't be swayed, and they have all pitched in to help on their side to be fair to them, with just me working on my end.The deeds are very clear as per my original post, and that they have the same stuff in theirs - as they bought from Bryant homes just as the previous proprietor of my house did. The obligation is for us to both repair or replace and to share the cost. A fence is required as a result of the deeds (for all those saying there's no obligation to have the fence).
You have decided that you want to do this in a certain way, there is no legal basis for that in the deeds and you are expecting the adjoining owners to accept your view without question and pay half of whatever cost you have decided to incur.
That is not a reasonable position.
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