£144 per hour for non emergency plumber

£144 per hour for non emergency plumber

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bad company

18,642 posts

267 months

Sunday 14th October 2018
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dickymint said:
bad company said:
dickymint said:
Can't remember if the claimant is a limited company or not - would this make a difference?
rolleyes
confused just a simple question. Maybe for non limited/registered companies the name of the claimant doesn't have to be the company? I don't know that's why i'm asking!!
Can’t remember or can’t be bothered to read the thread?

Yes it makes a difference.

dickymint

24,385 posts

259 months

Sunday 14th October 2018
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bad company said:
dickymint said:
bad company said:
dickymint said:
Can't remember if the claimant is a limited company or not - would this make a difference?
rolleyes
confused just a simple question. Maybe for non limited/registered companies the name of the claimant doesn't have to be the company? I don't know that's why i'm asking!!
Can’t remember or can’t be bothered to read the thread?

Yes it makes a difference.
I've been in this thread since the beginning when it started on the Homes/gardens and DIY forum in support of the OP

I can't remember if the company is limited or not - hence my question as regards the implication!!

What's the problem Mr Rolleyes?

Edit: perhaps now we can get back to helping the OP.




Edited by dickymint on Sunday 14th October 22:24

Red Devil

13,069 posts

209 months

Sunday 14th October 2018
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mangos said:
I hadn’t thought of that!

Of course the claim should be in the name of the company, but it’s all under his name.
I'm not surprised the DJ has asked for further particulars!
Some posters are making assumptions without having sufficient information.
It would help if you could clarify. .

Is he using a limited company and is your contract with that company?
Or is he a sole trader (with his son as gofer).
In the latter case the claim should be brought by Mr X trading as XXX Plumbers.

As this will in due course be allocated to the small claims track, the DJ may well allow the claimant to amend if required,

KungFuPanda

4,334 posts

171 months

Sunday 14th October 2018
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silentbrown

8,856 posts

117 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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KungFuPanda said:
It is. Even though the website is missing all the mandatory details like VAT, Company Registration number...

dmsims

6,539 posts

268 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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silentbrown said:
It is. Even though the website is missing all the mandatory details like VAT, Company Registration number...
and has the wrong address

mangos

Original Poster:

2,972 posts

182 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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KungFuPanda said:
Yes, the invoice I have had the company address as limited company

KungFuPanda

4,334 posts

171 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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dmsims said:
silentbrown said:
It is. Even though the website is missing all the mandatory details like VAT, Company Registration number...
and has the wrong address
A lot of the time, the registered address is different to the trading address. The registered address is sometimes that of the solicitor or accountant of the ltd company.

bad company

18,642 posts

267 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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KungFuPanda said:
dmsims said:
silentbrown said:
It is. Even though the website is missing all the mandatory details like VAT, Company Registration number...
and has the wrong address
A lot of the time, the registered address is different to the trading address. The registered address is sometimes that of the solicitor or accountant of the ltd company.
True but the website should show the registered address, company number and VAT number.

I’ve never come across a case where the claimant has issued using the wrong legal entity. I wonder if the op can have the case dismissed so that the claimant has to issue again correctly?

dmsims

6,539 posts

268 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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KungFuPanda said:
dmsims said:
silentbrown said:
It is. Even though the website is missing all the mandatory details like VAT, Company Registration number...
and has the wrong address
A lot of the time, the registered address is different to the trading address. The registered address is sometimes that of the solicitor or accountant of the ltd company.
and ?

KungFuPanda

4,334 posts

171 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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Yes you’re right regarding the correct company details.

Regards having the claim kicked out, I reckon it’ll be down to the Judge on the day. He might be pragmatic about it and allow a change to the pleadings.

I would argue however that the Director of the company in a personal level does not have any legal standing to bring the claim. There is no contract between him and the Defendant whatsoever so the claim should be struck out.

bad company

18,642 posts

267 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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KungFuPanda said:
Yes you’re right regarding the correct company details.

Regards having the claim kicked out, I reckon it’ll be down to the Judge on the day. He might be pragmatic about it and allow a change to the pleadings.

I would argue however that the Director of the company in a personal level does not have any legal standing to bring the claim. There is no contract between him and the Defendant whatsoever so the claim should be struck out.
I don’t speak from experience but I can’t see how a judge could fall to dismiss a case in such circumstances.

dickymint

24,385 posts

259 months

Monday 15th October 2018
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bad company said:
KungFuPanda said:
Yes you’re right regarding the correct company details.

Regards having the claim kicked out, I reckon it’ll be down to the Judge on the day. He might be pragmatic about it and allow a change to the pleadings.

I would argue however that the Director of the company in a personal level does not have any legal standing to bring the claim. There is no contract between him and the Defendant whatsoever so the claim should be struck out.
I don’t speak from experience but I can’t see how a judge could fall to dismiss a case in such circumstances.
I'd agree with that as by definition................

"A limited company is a type of business structure that has been incorporated at Companies House as a legal ‘person’. It is completely separate from its owners, it can enter into contracts in its own name and is responsible for its own actions, finances and liabilities. The owners of a company are protected by ‘limited liability’, which means they are only responsible for business debts up to the value of their investments or what they guarantee to the company."

This seems to be a lot more than just a misspelled name where a judge might allow a change of plea.

Red Devil

13,069 posts

209 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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KungFuPanda said:
dmsims said:
silentbrown said:
It is. Even though the website is missing all the mandatory details like VAT, Company Registration number...
and has the wrong address
A lot of the time, the registered address is different to the trading address. The registered address is sometimes that of the solicitor or accountant of the ltd company.
Business address here (per their website).
Registered office address is a private residence (quite likely that of the sole director) in the other town .

KungFuPanda said:
I would argue however that the Director of the company in a personal level does not have any legal standing to bring the claim.
This is why the DJ (who is clearly on the ball) has called for further particulars.

KungFuPanda said:
There is no contract between him and the Defendant whatsoever so the claim should be struck out.
Maybe. However, the DJ may decide that the best use of scarce court time is to permit an application for the company to be substituted for the individual.
See CPR 19.4 - https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/...
It could depend on whether, on the available evidence, there is a realistic prospect of the (amended) claim succeeding.


KungFuPanda

4,334 posts

171 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Yes you're right on all of those points RD!

I'm surprised a DJ actually read the pleadings at all! I hope the DJ in question has reserved the matter to be heard by himself.

Greshamst

2,072 posts

121 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Any updates, do you have a date to proceed with yet?

bad company

18,642 posts

267 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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Can we have an update please op?

mangos

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2,972 posts

182 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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bad company said:
Can we have an update please op?
Court date is 13th February.
It’s at a court about an hour away from my home which I haven’t worked out why yet.
The judge requested copies of the invoice and debt collectors letters which I sent and copied into the plumber in question.

Other than that no update and all quiet since.

I sort of put it to the back of my mind thinking it’s ages off and no point worrying over something that hasn’t happened yet, but now we are in January it’s just a month away and all seems a little close.

I’m worried I’m not going to be able to hold my composure in front of them. I’ve never been in court, I’ve no idea what to expect.

I checked their website recently and they’ve changed a lot of it so it doesn’t say that they do free estimates and other things that seem like a bit of covering their tracks.

I really don’t want to face them.

I had a Christmas bonus from my employees and was thinking of just using it to pay the bill to be done with it

Vaud

50,607 posts

156 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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mangos said:
I’ve never been in court, I’ve no idea what to expect.
https://www.franciswilksandjones.co.uk/site/our_se...

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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Best of luck OP.




Any PH legal pros want to pm him?