Speed limit repeater signs
Discussion
Red Devil said:
QuickQuack said:
jm doc said:
That's not what I said, as you well know. Just for the record, and for those at the back of class who can't keep up including some of the legal types on here, I said if there are repeater signs then it's not a 30mph limit in place. Are you saying this is incorrect?
Yes that is incorrect. There are many places where 30mph repeaters are necessary and allowed, for example in villages where street lighting is insufficient. Ergo, the presence of repeaters does not mean that the speed limit is higher than 30mph. Limit entry - https://goo.gl/maps/3JFHRGJsgG22
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/wVdzbQKdrA82
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/ZSvCdEqLwqF2
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/SpMr8Sj5xGB2
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/nutCzNjf9t72
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...
Agtlaw then said that was superceeded in 2016.
The debate is really only about 30 mph repeaters in 30 mph limits (as indicated by the presence of street lights). Not 30 mph limits that need repeaters to be valid.
Bert
BertBert said:
Red Devil said:
QuickQuack said:
jm doc said:
That's not what I said, as you well know. Just for the record, and for those at the back of class who can't keep up including some of the legal types on here, I said if there are repeater signs then it's not a 30mph limit in place. Are you saying this is incorrect?
Yes that is incorrect. There are many places where 30mph repeaters are necessary and allowed, for example in villages where street lighting is insufficient. Ergo, the presence of repeaters does not mean that the speed limit is higher than 30mph. Limit entry - https://goo.gl/maps/3JFHRGJsgG22
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/wVdzbQKdrA82
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/ZSvCdEqLwqF2
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/SpMr8Sj5xGB2
Repeater - https://goo.gl/maps/nutCzNjf9t72
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...
As several posters mentioned, the type of sign in his pic is not one prescribed by the regulations even where repeaters are allowed.
The only surprise is that he had any doubt.
BertBert said:
Agtlaw then said that was superceeded in 2016.
The 2016 amendment to the Direction that he referred to relates to the relaxation regarding terminal signs and the requirement to place repeaters.See page 48 here - http://tsrgd.co.uk/pdf/tsrgd/tsrgd2016-circular-01...
The prohibition of repeaters on a road with a system of street lighting has not changed.
BertBert said:
The debate is really only about 30 mph repeaters in 30 mph limits (as indicated by the presence of street lights).
Any true petrolhead would be fully aware that there is nothing to debate. 
BertBert said:
Not 30 mph limits that need repeaters to be valid.
The bald assertion that '...if there are repeater signs then it's not a 30mph limit in place' is misleading.The level of ignorance amongst the general motoring public is bad enough as it is without adding to it.
The days of PH being a forum populated almost exclusively by the aforementioned petrolheads has long gone.
So if 30 mph repeaters are prohibited in restricted roads what does that mean? Does it mean that if the council put up 30mph repeaters (in the prohibited circumstances), what if anything would be the penalty and who would be penalised?
Also how bad does speed limit signage have to be (in any speed signage circumstance) to make the specific speed limit unenforceable?
Bert
Also how bad does speed limit signage have to be (in any speed signage circumstance) to make the specific speed limit unenforceable?
Bert
ashleyman said:
The limited view of the camera appears to show there is not adequate guidance.The problem in the video though is the person asking the questions doesn’t know where signs need to be nd more importantly, where they don’t need to be. For instance, there is no need to place a sign round a corner on a separate road if the road has the same speed limit as the one you emerge from. If the limit is different there needs to be a sign shortly after the junction, that can be one sign on the left.
The video starts without passing the start of the limit so is that compliant or not? Omitting the terminal, if there is one is open to interpretation, who omit it on such a well made video?
The 20 repeater where the speed enforcement was taking place is so far away from the road that it fails to provide adequate guidance to drivers on the relevant road. It seemed to be placed on a parallel road that provided access to the houses, did it?
There is little point in raising it with the police, they are not responsible for the signs although they should check that they provide adequate guidance. The local highways authority, the council, are the right authority to sort the signs out.
It needs to be remembered that the signs always look a lot smaller on a video with a wide angle lens than they do in real life...unless you wear special glasses that cause things to look smaller.
Video poor, signs apparently poor, overall it appears the signs need to be sorted but the video highlights issues where they don’t exist too.
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