Police view of lane hoggers
Discussion
bad company said:
Greetings from the USA. Here drivers overtake both sides and it works ok.
I wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?
As long as you’re not flying up the inside and weaving in and out of traffic to try and get ahead I’m certain you can undertake in the uk when faced with a lane hogger. I wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?
bad company said:
Greetings from the USA. Here drivers overtake both sides and it works ok.
I wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?
I found driving in Canada so much less stressful as you just don't get the same self appointed traffic police or dopey tI wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?
ts sat in the overtaking lane. Sadly I suspect it'd cause accidents here as both those driver types would migrate from blocking the overtaking lanes to pulling across on people undertaking them.
having driven for years in the UK, I was relieved when my work visa came through.
having driven in Auckland for 6 months now, I wish the standards of driving were s high as the UK.
they are awful, dive into tiny gaps, drive right up your chuff even in torrential rain, no lane discipline at all.
commute to work is lovely
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the slip road thing is that if they are signalling they are coming out whether you like it or not.
as for the way the roads are laid out, who would think it a good idea to merge the 2 lanes of cars on a motorway slip lane, 50 yards before they join said motorway, cue much braking and cars joining at 60kms, not 100.
as for the one car per lane lights on the slip road, someone needs pain inflicting on them.
having driven in Auckland for 6 months now, I wish the standards of driving were s high as the UK.
they are awful, dive into tiny gaps, drive right up your chuff even in torrential rain, no lane discipline at all.
commute to work is lovely
.the slip road thing is that if they are signalling they are coming out whether you like it or not.
as for the way the roads are laid out, who would think it a good idea to merge the 2 lanes of cars on a motorway slip lane, 50 yards before they join said motorway, cue much braking and cars joining at 60kms, not 100.
as for the one car per lane lights on the slip road, someone needs pain inflicting on them.
I don't know about other areas, but Surrey RPU are in the habit of stopping MLMs. This was one of their Tweets from earlier this evening as the MLM's reasoning was really quite special:
Some more from this year:
https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/97250521...
https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/99721233...
https://twitter.com/surreyroadcops/status/99269815...
Sadly some of the replies just go to show that no matter how many resources are thrown at MLMs, it's a problem that's not going to go away any time soon.
Some more from this year:
https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/97250521...
https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/99721233...
https://twitter.com/surreyroadcops/status/99269815...
Sadly some of the replies just go to show that no matter how many resources are thrown at MLMs, it's a problem that's not going to go away any time soon.
Bennyjames28 said:
Please also mention the people who purposely block a clear open lane of road with a merge in turn at the end of it, you know to stop others who know the high way code from "pushing in".
So the blocking is stupid and wrong but "Merge in turn" can often get "Misinterpreted" as fly along a stationary line of traffic and then I will force my way in. The highway code before merge in turn says. "If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over." So even when merging you should go from lane 3 to lane 2 without anyone changing course or speed. That can't happen with queueing traffic. It's also made clear that merge in turn is for when the traffic is "MOVING" slowly so wherever possible you do the merging before the queue starts not once the lane finishes.PhilboSE said:
mr rusty said:
Lotusgone said:
but on the M25 it's dreadful.
don't totally agree. When you have 4 lanes that are all doing near enough the same speed with some lanes arbitrarily speeding and slowing down, keeping left is not so practical, "undertaking" is forced on you because the outer lanes start going slower than the inner lanes and in many cases it is safer to just stay in lane. How many times have you tried to slip into a space left at the same time as someone in a nearside lane is trying to slip right into the same space. Staying in lane helps to avoid the hazards of lane switching. It's a case of the practice taking over the theory of keeping L."Changing lanes to gain an advantage" is the offence i.e. switching to the inside, undertaking, then moving back over. But maintaining steady progress in lane 2, whilst going faster than lane 3, is not in itself an offence. You still need to be aware that the outer lane hogger may not expect you to do this, however.
2) Just as undertaking isn't a specific legislated offence, neither is failing to keep left unless overtaking. Both fall under the catch all that is careless/inconsiderate driving.
vonhosen said:
1) Correct undertaking isn't a specific legislated offence, but it's still undertaking whether you change lanes to pass on the left or do so without changing lanes. The highway code states that you SHOULD NOT undertake (it doesn't say MUST NOT because there is no specific offence) but does outline some limited circumstances where it considers it OK to undertake (or pass on the left).
2) Just as undertaking isn't a specific legislated offence, neither is failing to keep left unless overtaking. Both fall under the catch all that is careless/inconsiderate driving.
As usual spot on. From the latest CPS charging standards they will still regard overtaking on the nearside careless driving. 2) Just as undertaking isn't a specific legislated offence, neither is failing to keep left unless overtaking. Both fall under the catch all that is careless/inconsiderate driving.
From the same guidelines behaviour that they will regard as inconsiderate driving includes
Misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
Unnecessarily remaining in an overtaking lane;
bad company said:
Greetings from the USA. Here drivers overtake both sides and it works ok.
I wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?
I’m sure it would cause accidents for a short while....but ultimately I think it works great (from my driving in the States over many years!) & would help prevent angst over that hogging!I wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?
Could I request “turn left on a red” as well (from your turn right book of handy driving techniques) please
mikeiow said:
I’m sure it would cause accidents for a short while....but ultimately I think it works great (from my driving in the States over many years!) & would help prevent angst over that hogging!
Could I request “turn left on a red” as well (from your turn right book of handy driving techniques) please
I would love the turn left on red but since US roads are 4 times as dangerous as UK it might not be a convincing argument. Could I request “turn left on a red” as well (from your turn right book of handy driving techniques) please
Graveworm said:
So the blocking is stupid and wrong but "Merge in turn" can often get "Misinterpreted" as fly along a stationary line of traffic and then I will force my way in. The highway code before merge in turn says. "If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over." So even when merging you should go from lane 3 to lane 2 without anyone changing course or speed. That can't happen with queueing traffic. It's also made clear that merge in turn is for when the traffic is "MOVING" slowly so wherever possible you do the merging before the queue starts not once the lane finishes.
You seem to have “Misinterpreted” merge in turn. Graveworm said:
mikeiow said:
I’m sure it would cause accidents for a short while....but ultimately I think it works great (from my driving in the States over many years!) & would help prevent angst over that hogging!
Could I request “turn left on a red” as well (from your turn right book of handy driving techniques) please
I would love the turn left on red but since US roads are 4 times as dangerous as UK it might not be a convincing argument. Could I request “turn left on a red” as well (from your turn right book of handy driving techniques) please
I like the turn right on red law BUT. On this trip I’ve been hit by a car doing this. I was walking on the ‘sidewalk’ and started to cross the road when the crossing signal came on. A car was waiting at a red traffic light, driver looking to his left for a gap in the traffic, when he saw one he just went without checking for pedestrians. He hit me, I shouted and banged on his bonnet so he stopped before I was badly hurt. I was a bit shaken though. Bloody dangerous.
Lotusgone said:
Before I email various Chief Plods/Commissioners about why they aren't doing anything about the numbskulls that populate the middle lane, or in the case of four-lane motorways, the third lane, has anyone already done this?
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Because they have no money/staff to do it..
I remember it being posting in a similar thread that MLM's are only a problem for drivers that wish to exceed the limit. As a result they help keep speeds down on the motorway, this helps reduce the cost of speed enforcement. Why would they spend money enforcing something that would lead to them spending more time and money having to enforce something else.
You only generally only see a traffic officer on the motorway these days when there has been an incident, they have far more important things to worry about with the limited resources they have
mr rusty said:
don't totally agree. When you have 4 lanes that are all doing near enough the same speed with some lanes arbitrarily speeding and slowing down, keeping left is not so practical, "undertaking" is forced on you because the outer lanes start going slower than the inner lanes and in many cases it is safer to just stay in lane. How many times have you tried to slip into a space left at the same time as someone in a nearside lane is trying to slip right into the same space. Staying in lane helps to avoid the hazards of lane switching. It's a case of the practice taking over the theory of keeping L.
That reads like an excuse for picking a lane and staying in it, for the duration of the trip, irrespective of whether there is pace in the 1,2,3 lanes to the left.I very rarely have a problem in switching lanes and I have never had a problem interacting with other drivers when I do. Anyone who does, has observation problems. The new law was introduced because such people are deemed irresponsible and substandard.
Traffic flows a lot better, if people keep and the road as whole is used to its full potential. And that IS a fact.
Faz50 said:
Graveworm said:
So the blocking is stupid and wrong but "Merge in turn" can often get "Misinterpreted" as fly along a stationary line of traffic and then I will force my way in. The highway code before merge in turn says. "If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over." So even when merging you should go from lane 3 to lane 2 without anyone changing course or speed. That can't happen with queueing traffic. It's also made clear that merge in turn is for when the traffic is "MOVING" slowly so wherever possible you do the merging before the queue starts not once the lane finishes.
You seem to have “Misinterpreted” merge in turn. 
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