Police view of lane hoggers

[anonymous-user]

Graveworm said:

What merge point?? You mean the end of the lane? Without signage that's all it is. I understand merging I also understand merge in Turn which is not the same thing.

Look I really am not looking to change anyone's minds, the CPS, the Highways agency, the IAM and trafpol have a different view but the chances are no one will fall foul or have any grief if they do either.
Mathematically it's way better overall, the more people who use the outer lane, but it's not currently what is the "Right" way. Once there is a situation on the approach to the end of a lane where someone you are behind will have to "Let you in" it becomes inconsiderate.

It is the right way.

[Graveworm]

RogerDodger said:

I'm not "getting an advantage over you". (pushing in is what you mean)
You are waiting longer because you sit in line, innapropriately, because you are not man enough to do what makes more sense. If it is an issue, why not pull out and follow me?

Well "Pulling out" to follow you is definitely not in accordance with the highway code "Do not switch lanes to overtake queuing traffic."

[Car-Matt]

Graveworm said:

Well "Pulling out" to follow you is definitely not in accordance with the highway code "Do not switch lanes to overtake queuing traffic."

Your not overtaking though are you? To me that suggests don't go on the opposite carriageway to beat a queue all you are doing is using a lane provided for that purpose.....

[Car-Matt]

Graveworm said:

Car-Matt said:

So Graveworm has explained in minute detail how he doesn't understand merging

LOL

If there's an empty lane up to the merge point on the right and a 1\2 mile queue on the left i'm using the right hand lane.

If traffic is moving at merge point then its moving and I can merge, if the traffic is stationary then someone having to wait to let me in isn't causing them to alter their speed or direction as they are stationary anyway so by definition they don't have a vector.

If the people on the left don't like having to wait for me to merge then perhaps they should consider using all the lanes so the selfish twunts don't clog up the roads......the tarmac is there for a reason, use it

Look I really am not looking to change anyone's minds, the CPS, the Highways agency, the IAM and trafpol have a different view .

I disagree

[Car-Matt]

Take the theoretical situation......two cars side by side at 30 mph on a dual carriageway that blends to one lane.........according to you one of them is going to have to commit an offence to merge.........

[Graveworm]

Car-Matt said:

Graveworm said:

Well "Pulling out" to follow you is definitely not in accordance with the highway code "Do not switch lanes to overtake queuing traffic."

Your not overtaking though are you? To me that suggests don't go on the opposite carriageway to beat a queue all you are doing is using a lane provided for that purpose.....

Seriously?? A lane is different from a carriageway, it says "Do not switch lanes" how could that possibly be as you suggest?

[Graveworm]

Car-Matt said:

Take the theoretical situation......two cars side by side at 30 mph on a dual carriageway that blends to one lane.........according to you one of them is going to have to commit an offence to merge.........

Either one lane ends or hopefully arrows on the road will indicate which lane has priority. And if both are doing the same speed then the offside vehicle should generally not be there as it is not overtaking. However all things being equal, if there is other traffic then they should merge in turn at slow speed.

Edited by Graveworm on Wednesday 20th June 20:54

[Car-Matt]

Graveworm said:

Either one lane ends or arrows on the road will indicate which lane has priority. And if both are doing the same speed then the offside vehicle should not be there as it is not overtaking.

Incorrect, the lanes may come together in a city centre from separate places then merge, I also know many merges where there is no signed priority.

Also when you are considering being inconsiderate, which Inconsiderate wins out of using the right hand lane or queuing in the left and blocking a junction further down the road?

[Graveworm]

Car-Matt said:

Incorrect, the lanes may come together in a city centre from separate places then merge, I also know many merges where there is no signed priority.

Do you have an example?

[Graveworm]

Car-Matt said:

Incorrect, the lanes may come together in a city centre from separate places then merge, I also know many merges where there is no signed priority.

Urban dual carriageway? Do you have an example?

[Pothole]

bad company said:

Greetings from the USA. Here drivers overtake both sides and it works ok.

I wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?

How do they deal with roundabouts?

[Car-Matt]

So the RAC even tell you that it is intended that you merge at the point of lane closure

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/driving-advice/...

[Car-Matt]

9C4VFX68+3G code from google, top of Mucklows Hill in Halesowen

No signage telling one lane to give way.....just a sign with two arrows on joining into one...as per page 115 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Makes no mention of priority....



Regards the Highway code, there are no examples of signs giving priority at a merge? Also changing lanes unnecessarily, I’d argue it was unnecessary to change from the right hand lane to the left to join the back of the queue if the right lane is empty...

Edited by Car-Matt on Wednesday 20th June 21:39

[Car-Matt]

What I would say is that if everybody was considerate and left an appropriate gap then there would be space to merge with no arguments and nobody having to give way as the gao should be there....but we are talking about the stupid British Public

[cmaguire]

I am not going to talk about merge-in-turn because it shouldn't be a problem.

It seems to me that nearly all the problems encountered on the road now can all be traced at source to be a direct result of the resistance most road users have to any semblance of speed. Ultimately they are either scared of it or incapable of it.

I blame the authorities. They have totally fked everything up with their continuous program of speed reduction and the associated dishonesty they peddle alongside it.


The only exception to this is social media. Facebook is a wker's paradise, don't do it or anything similar unless your other hand is free to massage your cock.

[Car-Matt]

In fact I’m finding it difficult to find any official published signs that indicate which lane has priority apart from multi lane slip roads where the right lane takes priority over the left on joining the main carriageway


Would you mind pointing out the official signage that tells us which lane has priority please?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

[Graveworm]

Car-Matt said:

9C4VFX68+3G code from google, top of Mucklows Hill in Halesowen

No signage telling one lane to give way.....just a sign with two arrows on joining into one...as per page 115 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Makes no mention of priority....



Regards the Highway code, there are no examples of signs giving priority at a merge? Also changing lanes unnecessarily, I’d argue it was unnecessary to change from the right hand lane to the left to join the back of the queue if the right lane is empty...

Edited by Car-Matt on Wednesday 20th June 21:39

If it's this one then clearly the sign and the marks on the road indicate outer lane ends and the vehicle joining the nearside lane should do so without causing a vehicle in that lane to slow or change course. However again they should merge in turn at slow speeds.

[Graveworm]

Car-Matt said:

In fact I’m finding it difficult to find any official published signs that indicate which lane has priority apart from multi lane slip roads where the right lane takes priority over the left on joining the main carriageway


Would you mind pointing out the official signage that tells us which lane has priority please?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

The sign or arrows on the road show which lane is joining which. The existing lane always has priority in the absence of anything indicating the contrary.

[Car-Matt]

Graveworm said:

Car-Matt said:

In fact I’m finding it difficult to find any official published signs that indicate which lane has priority apart from multi lane slip roads where the right lane takes priority over the left on joining the main carriageway


Would you mind pointing out the official signage that tells us which lane has priority please?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

The sign or arrows on the road show which lane is joining which. The existing lane always has priority in the absence of anything indicating the contrary.

Did you make that up? All it actually shows is the road layout? The published .gov link makes no mention of priority to a lane? Can you link to some official guidance?

[Flibble]

Pothole said:

bad company said:

Greetings from the USA. Here drivers overtake both sides and it works ok.

I wonder how that would work at home if they simply made it legal?

How do they deal with roundabouts?

Badly.