Accused of dog theft - URGENT HELP NEEDED
Discussion
Apologies - I've skim read the pages (typical, I know).
Is it possible to go down the dissuasion path?
'Sure, please come and collect him/her. As you know, we've been paying the vet bills whilst you have been un-housed, so if you can settle up prior to collecting, that would be great. Total sum to date is £500 and we have also purchased vitamin tablets on the recommendation of the vet, these cost another £100 but we're happy to include in the £500.
We never realised the expense of owning a dog but after the RSPCA visited us due to the dogs condition, we were legally obliged to go to the vet. I think the vet mentioned that you'll need to take the dog to be checked regularly, shouldn't cost more than £80 per visit and you only need to go 6 times each year'.
Wishful thinking I know, but maybe worth a try!
Is it possible to go down the dissuasion path?
'Sure, please come and collect him/her. As you know, we've been paying the vet bills whilst you have been un-housed, so if you can settle up prior to collecting, that would be great. Total sum to date is £500 and we have also purchased vitamin tablets on the recommendation of the vet, these cost another £100 but we're happy to include in the £500.
We never realised the expense of owning a dog but after the RSPCA visited us due to the dogs condition, we were legally obliged to go to the vet. I think the vet mentioned that you'll need to take the dog to be checked regularly, shouldn't cost more than £80 per visit and you only need to go 6 times each year'.
Wishful thinking I know, but maybe worth a try!
Edited by Chessers on Saturday 14th July 00:54
There are a lot of variables here, and some good and bad advice. The only real issue here is the welfare of the dog. Ultimately, no- one involved will suffer the way the dog will if it is re-united with your relatives. It's a matter of doing all that is necessary to ensure that they don't get it back. If you have no other choice, tell them it ran away, pm me, and I'll come and collect it. The dog is the issue here.
Again, thanks for all of the replies.
Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
Heaveho said:
There are a lot of variables here, and some good and bad advice. The only real issue here is the welfare of the dog. Ultimately, no- one involved will suffer the way the dog will if it is re-united with your relatives. It's a matter of doing all that is necessary to ensure that they don't get it back. If you have no other choice, tell them it ran away, pm me, and I'll come and collect it. The dog is the issue here.
So where does that come in your ‘good or bad afvice’ category?DomesticM said:
Again, thanks for all of the replies.
Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
I would attempt to nip it in the bud, with your own reply. 'We have evidence of numerous neglect, and shall be in contact with the RSPCA if you don't back TFO.'Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
Plus also get the vets evidence.
Pica-Pica said:
Heaveho said:
There are a lot of variables here, and some good and bad advice. The only real issue here is the welfare of the dog. Ultimately, no- one involved will suffer the way the dog will if it is re-united with your relatives. It's a matter of doing all that is necessary to ensure that they don't get it back. If you have no other choice, tell them it ran away, pm me, and I'll come and collect it. The dog is the issue here.
So where does that come in your ‘good or bad afvice’ category?
So the dog gets ripped out of its home and lands god knows where. How will it feel?
Then what happens when it gets stolen and recovered, or runs away at the park and the dog warden catches it? Hint: Microchip takes it straight back to the original bad owner.
InitialDave said:
I wonder what they embellished their tale with while recounting it to plod.
You would think that there must be some lies in there. I would definitely be getting in touch with the police to at least check out the crime number is legit, and see what the allegations are.I am not sure (but i am sure someone with more knowledge will be along) what he means by 'taking it further' if he is suggesting he has already reported it to the police?
Just call the RSPCA. Explain the situation. Believe it not the RSPCA are rational people on occasion.
https://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/contactus/repor...
Or as everyone has said, offer them some money and see if they take it. Get a receipt.
They obviously have messages where you have discussed looking after the dog for a set period whilst they get their life in order. They obviously have pictures of them with the dog as well.
https://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/contactus/repor...
Or as everyone has said, offer them some money and see if they take it. Get a receipt.
They obviously have messages where you have discussed looking after the dog for a set period whilst they get their life in order. They obviously have pictures of them with the dog as well.
Edited by BobSaunders on Saturday 14th July 19:18
DomesticM said:
Again, thanks for all of the replies.
Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
Does the crime number appear genuine? It's clearly not theft in a million years and no one would issue one in these circumstances unless some serious Porky's have been told. I'd be tempted to just ignore it and wait for a knock on the door from the police. Explain the circs, back it up with whatever evidence you can gather. Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
I say call their bluff.
Greendubber said:
DomesticM said:
Again, thanks for all of the replies.
Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
Does the crime number appear genuine? It's clearly not theft in a million years and no one would issue one in these circumstances unless some serious Porky's have been told. I'd be tempted to just ignore it and wait for a knock on the door from the police. Explain the circs, back it up with whatever evidence you can gather. Last night they sent over the crime number. My uncle has given us 7 days to give the dog back before he takes it further. A bit of good luck is that when we first took the dog to the groomers about a month after he got here, the groomer said about how he was in such a bad state so we're going to get in contact with her to see if she will give a statement (anonymously obviously).
I say call their bluff.
No way they'd see that dog back if I had it.
Greendubber said:
Does the crime number appear genuine? It's clearly not theft in a million years and no one would issue one in these circumstances unless some serious Porky's have been told. I'd be tempted to just ignore it and wait for a knock on the door from the police. Explain the circs, back it up with whatever evidence you can gather.
I say call their bluff.
The crime number is to cover reference to the report, no matter what is reported.I say call their bluff.
NickGRhodes said:
Greendubber said:
Does the crime number appear genuine? It's clearly not theft in a million years and no one would issue one in these circumstances unless some serious Porky's have been told. I'd be tempted to just ignore it and wait for a knock on the door from the police. Explain the circs, back it up with whatever evidence you can gather.
I say call their bluff.
The crime number is to cover reference to the report, no matter what is reported.I say call their bluff.
If the crime number is for theft then the person reporting has clearly lied if the OPs account is legit (I have no reason to disbelieve it)
If a true account was given then there's no theft, the offence isn't complete = no crime number for a report of theft.
Greendubber said:
NickGRhodes said:
Greendubber said:
Does the crime number appear genuine? It's clearly not theft in a million years and no one would issue one in these circumstances unless some serious Porky's have been told. I'd be tempted to just ignore it and wait for a knock on the door from the police. Explain the circs, back it up with whatever evidence you can gather.
I say call their bluff.
The crime number is to cover reference to the report, no matter what is reported.I say call their bluff.
If the crime number is for theft then the person reporting has clearly lied if the OPs account is legit (I have no reason to disbelieve it)
If a true account was given then there's no theft, the offence isn't complete = no crime number for a report of theft.
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Greendubber said:
NickGRhodes said:
Greendubber said:
Does the crime number appear genuine? It's clearly not theft in a million years and no one would issue one in these circumstances unless some serious Porky's have been told. I'd be tempted to just ignore it and wait for a knock on the door from the police. Explain the circs, back it up with whatever evidence you can gather.
I say call their bluff.
The crime number is to cover reference to the report, no matter what is reported.I say call their bluff.
If the crime number is for theft then the person reporting has clearly lied if the OPs account is legit (I have no reason to disbelieve it)
If a true account was given then there's no theft, the offence isn't complete = no crime number for a report of theft.
I think someone got confused with the tale of woe that is the incident/log number. Very different to a crime number, a log number is created whenever anyone phones up an can have all manner of b
ks written on it. A crime number is different as it has have an offence to start with as well as specific details such as times/dates/MO etc.
Algarve said:
Pica-Pica said:
Heaveho said:
There are a lot of variables here, and some good and bad advice. The only real issue here is the welfare of the dog. Ultimately, no- one involved will suffer the way the dog will if it is re-united with your relatives. It's a matter of doing all that is necessary to ensure that they don't get it back. If you have no other choice, tell them it ran away, pm me, and I'll come and collect it. The dog is the issue here.
So where does that come in your ‘good or bad afvice’ category?So the dog gets ripped out of its home and lands god knows where. How will it feel?
Then what happens when it gets stolen and recovered, or runs away at the park and the dog warden catches it? Hint: Microchip takes it straight back to the original bad owner.
I spent two years bottle feeding abandoned puppies at home ( probably about 12 litters in total ) that were found thrown into litter bins, and re-homing dogs from appalling conditions when I lived in Crete, for a sanctuary run as a charity. They were flown out to owners in different countries, and we continue to receive feedback through friends who are still active out there on many of those we helped re-home. For several years we also provided financial support for one particular case that, partly because of breed and partly because of temperament due to the injuries he sustained at the hands of the locals, proved difficult to re-home. Doing stuff like that makes you focus on the importance of the welfare of the animal, and puts the supposed importance of the legalities into context. Suffice to say that many laws were circumnavigated in Crete in order to allow an animal the chance of a better life.
The initial upheaval is obviously unpleasant for any dog going through the re-homing process, but when done diligently, leads most to a significantly better life, and therefore worth the initial distress. Dogs are very resilient if given the chance to adapt to a better life, my own rescue collie that I've had for the last 8 years is testament to that. If you feel that your own experiences with re- homing animals may be more extensive than this, then offer those experiences to the op in the form of more of your advice.
Try to reign in the negativity and unpleasantness if you bother to reply. It's not what the thread is about.
Edited by Heaveho on Sunday 15th July 09:31
Edited by Heaveho on Sunday 15th July 09:37
E36GUY said:
They've got no money. There is no way they can 'take legal action.'
He can still make a complaint with the police. It isn't theft. It's a civil matter. I doubt the police would be interested in a dispute over a hound which has been with the OP for almost a year now. I think it more than fair, before the dog goes back to his scrounging owners, that various bills be settled. Good luckGassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff