Transit Tourneo Speed limit
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S11Steve said:
That same schedule also states that Dual Purpose vehicles and Car Derived Vans must not exceed 2040kg GVW - the Torneo is well above that if it is to be classed as either DPV or CDV.
This is where things do get messy - (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects) - A Transit Tourneo was originally constructed as a goods vehicle, but converted to carry passengers.
There have been a number of cases around the definition of this in the past, notably with the Berlingo Multsspace and Caddy Life vans.
The Ford Fiesta van is classed as a Car Derived Van, but the Ford Courier is not, as it was constructed as a van from the outset - but as it is under 2040kg, the car speed limits do apply.
Despite the V5 classing them as either M1 or N1, we advise that the lower speed limits apply in all of our correspondence when it comes to anything other than a car..
The tourneo is classed as a car and an Mpv. The transit is not. There’s hundreds if not thousands of these on the road and there are only a few mistakes like this which are easily sorted. Why this happens occasionally I don’t know. It has been suspected this may be a manual process on some mobile speed cameras but no one truly knows. This isn’t a grey area, it is clearly set out as listed above by SS2.This is where things do get messy - (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects) - A Transit Tourneo was originally constructed as a goods vehicle, but converted to carry passengers.
There have been a number of cases around the definition of this in the past, notably with the Berlingo Multsspace and Caddy Life vans.
The Ford Fiesta van is classed as a Car Derived Van, but the Ford Courier is not, as it was constructed as a van from the outset - but as it is under 2040kg, the car speed limits do apply.
Despite the V5 classing them as either M1 or N1, we advise that the lower speed limits apply in all of our correspondence when it comes to anything other than a car..
SS2. said:
speedking31 said:
SS2. said:
If it's a passenger vehicle (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects), has seats for up to no more than 8 passengers (not including the driver) and has an unladen weight of less than 3.05 tonnes, then special (ie lower) speed limits do not apply.
See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
FTFY.See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
S11Steve said:
SS2. said:
If it's a passenger vehicle (a vehicle constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects), has seats for up to 8 passengers (not including the driver) and has an unladen weight of less than 3.05 tonnes, then special (ie lower) speed limits do not apply.
See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
That same schedule also states that Dual Purpose vehicles and Car Derived Vans must not exceed 2040kg GVW - the Torneo is well above that if it is to be classed as either DPV or CDV.See Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.
With RTRA 1984 being silent on special speed limits for this class of vehicle, it means that lower limits do not apply.
TooMany2cvs said:
SS2. said:
But, by the criteria defined in the OP, the Tourneo isn't a DPV or a CDV, nor is it a derivative of another vehicle type
It's pretty damn hard to suggest a Tourneo is anything other than a Transit with seats.You can get a Mercedes Atego chassis and then turn it into a truck (goods vehicle) or a small coach (passenger vehicle). Whichever it becomes dictates the rules and regs it needs to meet.
We have lots of 9 seaters (driver plus 8 passengers) at work as well. We class them all as cars in terms of speed limits.
StevenB said:
it is registered as an type M1 MPV and max weight is 3000kg on the reg. documnet, so our understanding is the lower limits don't apply. trying to find that in a document for clarification
Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Schedule 6.This guy had the same problem as you with same vehicle.
Sent them copy of V5, matter dropped with apologies.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.ph...
StevenB said:
it is registered as an type M1 MPV and max weight is 3000kg on the reg. documnet, so our understanding is the lower limits don't apply. trying to find that in a document for clarification
Schedule 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 defines which vehicles are subject to lower speed limits for their class.The Regulations are silent on a passenger vehicle, with seating for 8 passengers (not including the driver) and weighing less than 3.05 tonnes. The fact that such a vehicle type is not listed within Schedule 6 confirms that lower speed limits do not apply.
S11Steve said:
Generally all vehicles over 3.5t need to have a tachograph fitted - but there are some exceptions. - https://www.gov.uk/tachographs
Your driver from the airport will have been working under slightly different legislation that covers the carriage of passengers for hire or reward, but not necessarily in a 3.5t vehicle. https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/passenger-carryin...
Was a merc sprinter minibus! (Airline connections was the company)Your driver from the airport will have been working under slightly different legislation that covers the carriage of passengers for hire or reward, but not necessarily in a 3.5t vehicle. https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/passenger-carryin...
surveyor_101 said:
anonymous said:
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Guy at works has just got a transit custom with rear seats and windows, believe its a 6 seater.Is that DPV and so car limits or it a commercial?
Road Vehicles Construction and Use Regs 1986 said:
Dual purpose vehicles
A `Dual purpose vehicle' is one that is constructed or adapted for the carriage of both passengers and goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2,040 kg; and which either-
(i) is so constructed or adapted so that the driving power of the engine, is, or by the use of the appropriate controls can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or-
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely-
(A) the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(B) the area to the rear of the driver's seat must-
(i) be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers, and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered backrests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle;and
(ii) be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an aggregate area of not less than 1,850cm2 on each side and not less than 770cm2 at the rear; and-
(C ) the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the backrests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in the first paragraph of item (B) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the backrests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.
A `Dual purpose vehicle' is one that is constructed or adapted for the carriage of both passengers and goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2,040 kg; and which either-
(i) is so constructed or adapted so that the driving power of the engine, is, or by the use of the appropriate controls can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or-
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely-
(A) the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(B) the area to the rear of the driver's seat must-
(i) be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers, and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered backrests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle;and
(ii) be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an aggregate area of not less than 1,850cm2 on each side and not less than 770cm2 at the rear; and-
(C ) the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the backrests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in the first paragraph of item (B) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the backrests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.
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