140mph convoy on M74
Discussion
TobyTR said:
The Selfish Gene said:
vonhosen said:
1. No Police attendance at all?
You'd have to have spoken to all local residents to know, not a neighbourhood watch co-ordinator.
2. No local newspaper at all?
3. We've been through this, one of two flats isn't sufficient, they couldn't provide sufficient to get a warrant.
1. no sorry, the police attended at the time. There was no follow up, no knocking on doors. Nothing. (apart from the letter with the victim support number) no public checking for footage for CCTV or dashcamYou'd have to have spoken to all local residents to know, not a neighbourhood watch co-ordinator.
2. No local newspaper at all?
3. We've been through this, one of two flats isn't sufficient, they couldn't provide sufficient to get a warrant.
2. local newspaper? definitely not. Just another victim support letter. no public checking for footage for CCTV or dashcam
3. One of two flats isn't sufficient - let's ignore the fact that's the easiest thing in the world for a thief to use to their advantage, there was still no public checking for footage for CCTV or dashcam
Let's not try and dilute my point in relation to this thread.
The police did literally the bare minimum and didn't remotely try to solve the three crimes (in 6 months) I've mentioned.
They did not, at any time, go public and request the general public supply any footage. IN three crimes which very much had a victim.
The 140mph incident didn't have any victims. The police response is embarrassing.
I like many others would rather they focus their energies on tangible crime with victims. Like my good self (and many others) can easily show examples of.
As for this they wanted CCTV to identify registrations of the cars committing the offences. I have already said that I am not the biggest fan of speed limits and challenged the 140 is dangerous no matter what, but in reality a lot of the public want this kind of thing dealt with. I seriously doubt that the charges will be speeding.
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? If the anti social morons that did this feel so invincible, one day they will find they are not, I have seen it first hand, maybe a blow out, maybe a deer runs out onto carriageway, but they end up in a tangled mess crying for their Mums and begging for Police and Paramedics to arrive and save their sorry arses. If you can afford that sort of car you can afford a decent track day on circuit. We have done most in UK, F1 circuit at Spa, Imola, Zandvort, Mugello, Monza, the Ring on closed days etc...we have several cars, the fav being a Noble M400 ......you need to be a "driver" for that, there is no gadgetry, no electronics to help you.....any one can use their right foot down and point in a straight line! They must be so proud that they can hold a steering wheel and move their right ankle in a downward movement!
sue57 said:
If the anti social morons that did this feel so invincible, one day they will find they are not, I have seen it first hand, maybe a blow out, maybe a deer runs out onto carriageway, but they end up in a tangled mess crying for their Mums and begging for Police and Paramedics to arrive and save their sorry arses. If you can afford that sort of car you can afford a decent track day on circuit. We have done most in UK, F1 circuit at Spa, Imola, Zandvort, Mugello, Monza, the Ring on closed days etc...we have several cars, the fav being a Noble M400 ......you need to be a "driver" for that, there is no gadgetry, no electronics to help you.....any one can use their right foot down and point in a straight line! They must be so proud that they can hold a steering wheel and move their right ankle in a downward movement!
Wow, you don't post very often do you? 
They allegedly did it, nobody crashed, nobody died - what is your issue exactly?
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Edited by TobyTR on Tuesday 14th August 02:19
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Or no unit attended his burglary immediately?
They weren't allocated to you speeding, you just decided to offend in front of them when they were patrolling.
If the burglar had done that they'd have dealt with him.
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Or no unit attended his burglary immediately?
They weren't allocated to you speeding, you just decided to offend in front of them when they were patrolling.
EU_Foreigner said:
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Or no unit attended his burglary immediately?
They weren't allocated to you speeding, you just decided to offend in front of them when they were patrolling.
I see little point in a traffic officer spending an hour or more tied up with a burglary that the burglar is long gone & them not being able to investigate a serious RTA, perform a life saving escort etc as a result because they are no longer available as they are at a burglary.
You don't just inappropriately send absolutely any resource to any call because it happens to be close to it. You send a suitable resource having prioritised the calls within the resources available in that unit.
You are advocating British Gas sending an electrician to a plumbing job because he happens to be close to it, rather than sending the first available plumber, having looked at all the plumbing jobs & dealing with them in order of priority amongst all the plumbing jobs.
Mr Tidy said:
They allegedly did it, nobody crashed, nobody died .
1) As stated in a previous post ' Nothing Happened ' is not an excuse when commiting an illegal or stupid act.2) The excuse that ' It was 3am and the roads were clear ' when 'done' for speeding is getting a little tiresome. Please change the record. (a little heavy metal would be nice).
nonsequitur said:
1) As stated in a previous post ' Nothing Happened ' is not an excuse when commiting an illegal or stupid act.
2) The excuse that ' It was 3am and the roads were clear ' when 'done' for speeding is getting a little tiresome. Please change the record. (a little heavy metal would be nice).
I felt the same when told ‘we probably wont be able to catch these guys. Not enough evidence’ from the DC and his ‘team’ when discussing my car theft. 2) The excuse that ' It was 3am and the roads were clear ' when 'done' for speeding is getting a little tiresome. Please change the record. (a little heavy metal would be nice).
Speeding is victimless, crashing not so much. Either way it’s a bit of an own goal for the police to use these limited resources, which we all have to fund, deploying tax vans on motorway bridges.
yonex said:
nonsequitur said:
1) As stated in a previous post ' Nothing Happened ' is not an excuse when commiting an illegal or stupid act.
2) The excuse that ' It was 3am and the roads were clear ' when 'done' for speeding is getting a little tiresome. Please change the record. (a little heavy metal would be nice).
I felt the same when told ‘we probably wont be able to catch these guys. Not enough evidence’ from the DC and his ‘team’ when discussing my car theft. 2) The excuse that ' It was 3am and the roads were clear ' when 'done' for speeding is getting a little tiresome. Please change the record. (a little heavy metal would be nice).
Speeding is victimless, crashing not so much. Either way it’s a bit of an own goal for the police to use these limited resources, which we all have to fund, deploying tax vans on motorway bridges.
vonhosen said:
We don't all effectively fund the vans on bridges, those caught speeding do, which is a minority of the population.
So not one penny of my contributions go towards the vans, or any part of them? It’d also be nice not to have to hear ‘we have limited resources’ and ‘moral is very low’ , if we’re gettingball the really annoying things out of the way
yonex said:
vonhosen said:
We don't all effectively fund the vans on bridges, those caught speeding do, which is a minority of the population.
So not one penny of my contributions go towards the vans, or any part of them? It’d also be nice not to have to hear ‘we have limited resources’ and ‘moral is very low’ , if we’re gettingball the really annoying things out of the way
vonhosen said:
What happened is people have cut their contributions & then complain they have to wait longer fro someone to come to their burglary etc.
You mean government, not people. It’s onbvious what’s more important, that’ll be speeding. Not the publics safety in their homes or the moral of officers. If there was any actual concern over road safety the authorities would run SAC for licence renewals. As it is nobody benefits and the general public just become ever more fed up with the police. yonex said:
vonhosen said:
What happened is people have cut their contributions & then complain they have to wait longer fro someone to come to their burglary etc.
You mean government, not people. It’s onbvious what’s more important, that’ll be speeding. Not the publics safety in their homes or the moral of officers. If there was any actual concern over road safety the authorities would run SAC for licence renewals. As it is nobody benefits and the general public just become ever more fed up with the police. I prefer speed enforcement not impacting on other resources by draining the budget for those things.
Local authorities would, i imagine, love for speed enforcement to be passed to them, they could really go to town & ramp up enforcement levels (as happened with parking & other minor traffic infringements when they moved to them).
vonhosen said:
yonex said:
vonhosen said:
What happened is people have cut their contributions & then complain they have to wait longer fro someone to come to their burglary etc.
You mean government, not people. It’s onbvious what’s more important, that’ll be speeding. Not the publics safety in their homes or the moral of officers. If there was any actual concern over road safety the authorities would run SAC for licence renewals. As it is nobody benefits and the general public just become ever more fed up with the police. I prefer speed enforcement not impacting on other resources by draining the budget for those things.
Local authorities would, i imagine, love for speed enforcement to be passed to them, they could really go to town & ramp up enforcement levels (as happened with parking & other minor traffic infringements when they moved to them).
EU_Foreigner said:
vonhosen said:
yonex said:
vonhosen said:
What happened is people have cut their contributions & then complain they have to wait longer fro someone to come to their burglary etc.
You mean government, not people. It’s onbvious what’s more important, that’ll be speeding. Not the publics safety in their homes or the moral of officers. If there was any actual concern over road safety the authorities would run SAC for licence renewals. As it is nobody benefits and the general public just become ever more fed up with the police. I prefer speed enforcement not impacting on other resources by draining the budget for those things.
Local authorities would, i imagine, love for speed enforcement to be passed to them, they could really go to town & ramp up enforcement levels (as happened with parking & other minor traffic infringements when they moved to them).
Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
EU_Foreigner said:
You talk about budget / cost etc for the traffic enforcement. From a PR point, that is disastrous as you will end up with potentially speed traps everywhere as it is cost neutral but nobody to respond to your burglary. As far as the public is concerned, they see Police presence everywhere but not where they want to see them.
You see a police presence everywhere ?Where do you live (or see this presence) ?
How many traffic cars/ bikes do you see ?
How many of those are doing speed enforcement ?
Another poster complained about seeing a motorway patrol on a bridge and assumed they were doing speed enforcement.
The patrol could have been there for any number of reasons.
People's perception is often inaccurate.
Red 4 said:
EU_Foreigner said:
You talk about budget / cost etc for the traffic enforcement. From a PR point, that is disastrous as you will end up with potentially speed traps everywhere as it is cost neutral but nobody to respond to your burglary. As far as the public is concerned, they see Police presence everywhere but not where they want to see them.
You see a police presence everywhere ?Where do you live (or see this presence) ?
How many traffic cars/ bikes do you see ?
How many of those are doing speed enforcement ?
Another poster complained about seeing a motorway patrol on a bridge and assumed they were doing speed enforcement.
The patrol could have been there for any number of reasons.
People's perception is often inaccurate.
M23 - on bridge doing speed checks (assumed).
Does not matter if they do the actual checks, it is all about perception. The perception is that a lot of resources are about.
Point to note - I have no points and have never been stopped so have no axe to grind, this is just my opinion / perception what is happening around me based on my observations.
vonhosen said:
What a load of tosh.
Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
Is it "the public" or is it just a couple of people? I come back to my point, if you were to ask "the public" if they had to make a choice, either traffic or crime, I don't think it will be traffic.Look at the actual number of staff doing speed enforcement & you see it isn't absolutely everywhere. Very few staff, lots of offending.
There are far more staff dealing with serious crime, more staff for fewer offences than speeding.
Whilst speed enforcement is in the Police remit & with the public calls for them to target it, there will always be some staff doing it. It's just they've found a cost neutral way to do it without using many staff.
Of course if it was taken from Police & given to councils it could really explode (as evidenced by the other minor traffic matters that were passed to them).
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