140mph convoy on M74
Discussion
JNW1 said:
So you're seriously suggesting TobyTR can't tell the difference between a marked and an unmarked police traffic car? You'll be asking him to produce of photo of the car that stopped him with a tin of custard next to it next!!
Joking aside I'm not sure why you think it's so unlikely to have been an unmarked car at that time on a morning; aren't they manned by the same officers who drive marked traffic cars and with a shift system doesn't that mean there's the potential for them to operate 24/7?
I am saying that night shift it is really unusual for the traffic bases to run unmarked cars. Different priorities and less officers. Joking aside I'm not sure why you think it's so unlikely to have been an unmarked car at that time on a morning; aren't they manned by the same officers who drive marked traffic cars and with a shift system doesn't that mean there's the potential for them to operate 24/7?
TobyTR said:
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Or no unit attended his burglary immediately?
They weren't allocated to you speeding, you just decided to offend in front of them when they were patrolling.
If the burglar had done that they'd have dealt with him.
But they were allocated to me speeding - Police Constables don't have the power to issue speeding fines, traffic officers at 2am do.
And they weren't tasked to get you for speeding (if they had been sent to your burglary they would have been tasked to that) they just respond to you speeding in front of them.
TobyTR said:
So do you work for the Police? Because you take a defensive stance with every post and haven't posted anything objective so far
No I don't work for the Police & I'm just being factual which provides a bit of balance to the inaccuracy.jm doc said:
vonhosen said:
No I don't work for the Police & I'm just being factual which provides a bit of balance to the inaccuracy.
Used to though didn't you Von??
He asked present tense only though, so I provided the accurate answer to the question asked.
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Or no unit attended his burglary immediately?
They weren't allocated to you speeding, you just decided to offend in front of them when they were patrolling.
If the burglar had done that they'd have dealt with him.
But they were allocated to me speeding - Police Constables don't have the power to issue speeding fines, traffic officers at 2am do.
And they weren't tasked to get you for speeding (if they had been sent to your burglary they would have been tasked to that) they just respond to you speeding in front of them.
TobyTR said:
So do you work for the Police? Because you take a defensive stance with every post and haven't posted anything objective so far
No I don't work for the Police & I'm just being factual which provides a bit of balance to the inaccuracy.TobyTR said:
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
vonhosen said:
TobyTR said:
Graveworm said:
TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. It seems the majority have been through this, myself included.
I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
They would have the ability to easily report and initially investigate a burglary I am sure. But they can't routinely attend burglaries etc because that takes them off the road for too long. If there is a serious RTA or something that needs their skills then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a burglary. I was once pulled over at 2am for doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway. Meanwhile, a good friend's home was broken into that same night about 5 miles from where I was pulled over. However, when he spoke to Police "no units were able to attend".
Traffic officers have to serve as Constables for a number of years before transferring over to Road Policing, so there's no reason why resources could be better allocated to more serious (proper) crimes with victims. And there's no reason why the cops that pulled me over couldn't attend a burglary.
By the way how did they pull you over if the dual carriageway was empty
? you could spin that perspective and say "if there was a serious home invasion with life-threatening injuries, then the complaint would definitely be why were they allocated to a speeding driver doing 85 on an empty dual-carriageway at 2am" - see what I did there? The unmarked police car followed me the entire length of the dual-carriageway and signalled me to stop at the end.
Or no unit attended his burglary immediately?
They weren't allocated to you speeding, you just decided to offend in front of them when they were patrolling.
If the burglar had done that they'd have dealt with him.
But they were allocated to me speeding - Police Constables don't have the power to issue speeding fines, traffic officers at 2am do.
And they weren't tasked to get you for speeding (if they had been sent to your burglary they would have been tasked to that) they just respond to you speeding in front of them.
TobyTR said:
So do you work for the Police? Because you take a defensive stance with every post and haven't posted anything objective so far
No I don't work for the Police & I'm just being factual which provides a bit of balance to the inaccuracy.Their respective forces may choose not to but there is nothing to stop non traffic officers reporting people for speeding.
Public perception is not negative public wide, sure there will be sections where the perception is poor (it's always been the case that some will be disgruntled - you can't please all of the people all of the time), but public satisfaction surveys, public confidence surveys etc don't back up that that's a majority position.
I do agree though that a burglary should have a scene visit.
vonhosen said:
Well they are speaking rubbish.
Their respective forces may choose not to but there is nothing to stop non traffic officers reporting people for speeding.
Public perception is not negative public wide, sure there will be sections where the perception is poor (it's always been the case that some will be disgruntled - you can't please all of the people all of the time), but public satisfaction surveys, public confidence surveys etc don't back up that that's a majority position.
I do agree though that a burglary should have a scene visit.
But does a PC have the authority to give an on-the-spot speeding fine? Rather than merely report the driver for speeding and a telling-off. From what they told me, a PC bod doesn't have the power to issue a speeding infringement notice there and then.Their respective forces may choose not to but there is nothing to stop non traffic officers reporting people for speeding.
Public perception is not negative public wide, sure there will be sections where the perception is poor (it's always been the case that some will be disgruntled - you can't please all of the people all of the time), but public satisfaction surveys, public confidence surveys etc don't back up that that's a majority position.
I do agree though that a burglary should have a scene visit.
I'd like to see the results of these public confidence surverys, because everything I read and hear about says the opposite
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for what Police Officers have to see and deal with on a daily basis
I have a few good friends who are, including the ex. I couldn't do the job and would end up with PTSD. But, the decisions made by senior brass and resourcing leaves a lot to be desiredTobyTR said:
I'd like to see the results of these public confidence surverys, because everything I read and hear about says the opposite
Here you go: https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/ne...Report said:
76 percent of people are satisfied with policing according to a new report published by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary today.
Don't believe that the anti-police echo chambers of Twitter and PH represent anything like the average person's view of the police.mackay45 said:
Jimmy No Hands said:
Very late to the party here but the orange GTR nearly hit me; just clicked when I saw this topic. Saw several C63's and M2's/3's/4's also slightly ahead of the GTR + others. Never seen driving like it on public roads. Undertaking, weaving, all at 100+ easily.
I was pulling into L1 from the middle and the GTR undercut everyone and had to move over to the hard shoulder, was way too fast for me to see.
Absolute bell ends!
That's just not true! I was pulling into L1 from the middle and the GTR undercut everyone and had to move over to the hard shoulder, was way too fast for me to see.
Absolute bell ends!
Edited by Shrubrocketeer on Thursday 16th August 20:23
TobyTR said:
But does a PC have the authority to give an on-the-spot speeding fine? Rather than merely report the driver for speeding and a telling-off. From what they told me, a PC bod doesn't have the power to issue a speeding infringement notice there and then.
I'd like to see the results of these public confidence surverys, because everything I read and hear about says the opposite
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for what Police Officers have to see and deal with on a daily basis I have a few good friends who are, including the ex. I couldn't do the job and would end up with PTSD. But, the decisions made by senior brass and resourcing leaves a lot to be desired
Not such thing as on the spot fine in England and Wales. If you mean a fixed penalty notice then that is what they should do for speeding, if it is within the guidelines. Reporting for speeding would mean the driver is probably facing a more severe penalty so that wouldn't be fair. It does vary from force to force, it's usually that Traffic police are the ones usually trained to use speed measuring devices but that isn't what you described. I'd like to see the results of these public confidence surverys, because everything I read and hear about says the opposite
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for what Police Officers have to see and deal with on a daily basis
I have a few good friends who are, including the ex. I couldn't do the job and would end up with PTSD. But, the decisions made by senior brass and resourcing leaves a lot to be desiredjohnwilliams77 said:
Shrubrocketeer said:
The GTR was caught about 15 minutes later further down the motorway and has been reported for dangerous driving.
GoodOne plod area not talking to the other, or were they fishing for more dashcam footage to nail them with?
C70R said:
TobyTR said:
I'd like to see the results of these public confidence surverys, because everything I read and hear about says the opposite
Here you go: https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/ne...Report said:
76 percent of people are satisfied with policing according to a new report published by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary today.
Don't believe that the anti-police echo chambers of Twitter and PH represent anything like the average person's view of the police.TobyTR said:
C70R said:
TobyTR said:
I'd like to see the results of these public confidence surverys, because everything I read and hear about says the opposite
Here you go: https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/ne...Report said:
76 percent of people are satisfied with policing according to a new report published by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary today.
Don't believe that the anti-police echo chambers of Twitter and PH represent anything like the average person's view of the police.https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/pu...
In relation to local Policing 25% said the service had got worse (compared with 20% in 2016 and 18% in 2015). An increasing proportion said they had not seen a uniformed police presence on foot in their local area in the past year (44% compared with 41% in 2016 and 36% in 2015).
Edited by Bigends on Friday 17th August 12:07
Edited by Bigends on Friday 17th August 12:21
TobyTR said:
C70R said:
TobyTR said:
I'd like to see the results of these public confidence surverys, because everything I read and hear about says the opposite
Here you go: https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/ne...Report said:
76 percent of people are satisfied with policing according to a new report published by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary today.
Don't believe that the anti-police echo chambers of Twitter and PH represent anything like the average person's view of the police.It's a public body, accountable to Parliament, and subject to judicial review.
Do you have any better sources?
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