Wales again 1.5metres filming

[anonymous-user]

Pica-Pica said:

What has noise got to do with it?

Have you ever ridden a bicycle on the road?

[Pica-Pica]

yonex said:

Pica-Pica said:

What has noise got to do with it?

Have you ever ridden a bicycle on the road?

Yes. You may come back with a supplementary. (That wasn’t a real question now, was it?)

[donkmeister]

This st again so soon?

The HC doesn't prescribe a distance. The statement it makes is ambiguous (possibly deliberately) about whether it means you act as if the bike is as wide as a car or whether you ensure the distance between the bike and car is as if you are overtaking a car. No, the picture in the HC doesn't prove it one way or the other but someone will disagree.

The underlying theme of the HC is "people should act considerately to other road users whether they are walking, pedalling, trotting or driving, taking into account the safety and wellbeing of all". That's it. A well-meaning but ill-informed copper doesn't change a thing.

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[Stella Tortoise]

Wales and cycling.

This will bring out the worst in a vocal minority of posters.

[anonymous-user]

Pica-Pica said:

Yes. You may come back with a supplementary. (That wasn’t a real question now, was it?)

Then why all the daft questions?

[V8RX7]

james7 said:

I assume this 1.5m distance applies all the time to everyone?

So 2 or 3 abreast cyclists, there still needs to be a 1.5m gap? If not why not?
That would make some overtakes impossible due to some road width.

Cyclists riding the other direction, the bow wave would after all be greater, if thats what this is actually about. So stopping your car when a cyclist is coming the other way, and within that distance, then restarting when they have passed.

Central london, lots of cars would be breaking the law because the cyclist decided they wanted to be closer when overtaking, then traffic starts moving etc.

^^^ Some valid points

It simply won't work in cities - it's already frustrating when you've waited to safely overtake a cyclist and then they catch up at the lights and filter through stationary traffic and hold you up again. If they pull up next to you in multi lane traffic there might be less than 30cm - are we supposed to stop until they move off ?

I generally meet cyclists on country lanes, they understandably don't ride in the potholes so I wouldn't be able to overtake them for miles - at least tractors periodically move over.

[Master Bean]

I use the phrase 20s plenty in my overtakes. That's 20cm.

[Pica-Pica]

yonex said:

It’s positive in a way, but a wholesale change of attitude is what’s needed in respect to cyclists in the UK.

Passing a cyclist at speed at less than a metre isn’t very smart, but happens to me all the time.

Not by me it doesn’t. If available, I use the other side of the road. I also indicate when I pass a cyclist to give some clue to someone behind (slow down, indicate, make an exaggerated move out, that indicates you ar passing a slow, and not yet visible road user. The same also for runners and walkers in the road.

[Byker28i]

timbo999 said:

Pica-Pica said:

No, for their own safety! If they wobble when the car overtakes, they may also wobble when they pass on the left. Can’t have it one way and not the other.

Cars weigh 1500kg and do 30/40/50/60 mph, cycles weigh 100kg and do 10/15/20/25 mph - you work it out...

Mass x Velocity = right of way? A rule I generally used when riding a motorbike with tttish drivers

[Byker28i]

Stella Tortoise said:

Wales and cycling.

This will bring out the worst in a vocal minority of posters.

It's raining - stops both hobbies in Wales

[Byker28i]

yellowjack said:

For anyone who hasn't bothered reading the article in full (and unless you're especially thick or have the world's shortest recorded attention span then why wouldn't you, as it's VERY brief)...

the BBC article said:

During a late-morning pilot in Whitchurch, officers stopped six vehicles and also seized one after discovering it was being driven without insurance.

...and...

the BBC article also said:

Operation Close Pass was originally developed by West Midlands Police in September 2016.
Officers say it led to a 20% reduction in cyclists being killed or seriously injured on the roads in just one year.
The scheme is now being piloted for the first time on Welsh roads - where 115 cyclists were killed or seriously injured in 2016.

...so ultimately it's a winner all ends up? Illegal vehicles seized, illegal drivers prosecuted. Uninsured drivers cost those of us who properly insure ours millions in additional premiums annually. There are thousands of them on the roads too, probably tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands.

West Midlands Police estimated a 20% reduction in KSIs in one year. If true, and the campaign in Wales nets the same sort of results, then that'd be 23 cyclists (or alternatively 23 PEOPLE) NOT killed or seriously injured PER YEAR. On what planet is that NOT a good thing? Even if it delays you from getting home by 40 seconds and you miss the opening credits of Coronation Street?

Anyone who argues against such a campaign must surely be some form of sociopath. But then, when incidents like this...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44396411
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wal...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamsh...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-3642...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-188254...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/3...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wal...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foy...

...are far from rare, and are seldom isolated incidents, it's easy to see that there are a large number of mentalist morons who hate cyclists enough to want to cause them harm. At least near me, the "anti-cyclist booby-trap" tends to just be a log dragged onto the trail, but I swear that if I catch someone in the act of deliberately endangering me, or others, then the milk of human kindness that I'm advocating will swiftly run dry...

Which is entirely right, drivers need to be reeducated if they are antisocial towards other road users.

Now all we need to do is to educate the cyclists, well not all cyclists obviously, just those lycra clad road terrorists

[PAULJ5555]

timbo999 said:

Cars weigh 1500kg and do 30/40/50/60 mph, cycles weigh 100kg and do 10/15/20/25 mph - you work it out...

And thats the reason it will never work sharing the same road.

[yellowjack]

Master Bean said:

I use the phrase 20s plenty in my overtakes. That's 20cm.

Then you won't mind me passing you at the lights as close as I'm comfortable with then? FWIW I'm comfortable with fitting my shoulders through a gap, but my handlebars are wider. Best you stock up on those door mirrors, eh...

... - see how silly this willy-waving gets? And you don't. I don't believe you for a moment that you pass at 20 cm. Because that's about the length of the short side of a mouse-mat. Less than the distance from the average adult's wrist to their elbow. And less than some door mirrors protrude. Besides which, anything less than 70 cm is utterly stupid, as that's how far out a cyclist's arm will reach when signalling right. Or punching a dent into the roof of your car if you've just passed them at 20 cm distance, you fanciful clown. This is PistonHeads, not Jackanory...

[yellowjack]

Byker28i said:

Which is entirely right, drivers need to be reeducated if they are antisocial towards other road users.

Now all we need to do is to educate the cyclists, well not all cyclists obviously, just those lycra clad road terrorists

Terrorists? Since when was anyone, ever, "terrorised" by someone who weighs 70 kg wet, perched atop an 8 kg plastic bike? Especially if thepoor "terrorised" individual is sat in over 1000 kg of sheet metal and protective safety cells?

By "terrorised" what the poor snowflakes really mean is "mildly inconvenienced for between a handful of seconds and a couple of minutes". Anything else makes no sense at all.

It's like me claiming to have been terrorised by a six-year-old girl handing me a daisy when I'm stood guard at an army barracks in webbing and helmet, wielding a loaded rifle. "lycra clad terrorists"...

[anonymous-user]

PAULJ5555 said:

And thats the reason it will never work sharing the same road.

The reason it 'doesn't work' is purely down to those that don't respect others. Sad really. Amazes me everytime that these threads get started that the same things get highlighted.

[Ares]

timbo999 said:

Cars weigh 1500kg and do 30/40/50/60 mph, cycles weigh 100kg and do 10/15/20/25 mph - you work it out...

100kg cycle....jeez, what bikes are you riding?

My bike is c7kg. I don't even reach 70kg with me on it.

[Ares]

V8RX7 said:

james7 said:

I assume this 1.5m distance applies all the time to everyone?

So 2 or 3 abreast cyclists, there still needs to be a 1.5m gap? If not why not?
That would make some overtakes impossible due to some road width.

Cyclists riding the other direction, the bow wave would after all be greater, if thats what this is actually about. So stopping your car when a cyclist is coming the other way, and within that distance, then restarting when they have passed.

Central london, lots of cars would be breaking the law because the cyclist decided they wanted to be closer when overtaking, then traffic starts moving etc.

^^^ Some valid points

It simply won't work in cities - it's already frustrating when you've waited to safely overtake a cyclist and then they catch up at the lights and filter through stationary traffic and hold you up again. If they pull up next to you in multi lane traffic there might be less than 30cm - are we supposed to stop until they move off ?

I generally meet cyclists on country lanes, they understandably don't ride in the potholes so I wouldn't be able to overtake them for miles - at least tractors periodically move over.

It requires common sense to interpret, understand and implement. It's at that point many fall foul.

[Ares]

Stella Tortoise said:

Wales and cycling.

This will bring out the worst in a vocal minority of posters.

Did you see the Tour de France?

[Ares]

PAULJ5555 said:

timbo999 said:

Cars weigh 1500kg and do 30/40/50/60 mph, cycles weigh 100kg and do 10/15/20/25 mph - you work it out...

And thats the reason it will never work sharing the same road.

As long as both parties engage a few brains cells, it works fine.

[Ares]

Master Bean said:

I use the phrase 20s plenty in my overtakes. That's 20cm.

I look forward to meeting your wing mirror and handing it back to you.