Fraudulant Card Payment

[essayer]

Watch out, the manager will be vindictive. Stay squeaky clean till you find somewhere else, or they do!

[DannyScene]

Arrived into work this morning after a fun weekend and my manager has yet again taken me to one side and asked if I'm going to sign the deduction document or are they taking it all in a lump sum, its my choice apparently.

I advised I'd be choosing not to sign either yet again based on the fact nobody can give me a clear cut answer on where it says I'm liable.

I feel like this is really starting to hinder my performance at work now, struggling to find motivation to fight daily to achieve target for a company who wont fight in the slightest for me.

[The Mad Monk]

DannyScene said:

Arrived into work this morning after a fun weekend and my manager has yet again taken me to one side and asked if I'm going to sign the deduction document or are they taking it all in a lump sum, its my choice apparently.

I advised I'd be choosing not to sign either yet again based on the fact nobody can give me a clear cut answer on where it says I'm liable.

I feel like this is really starting to hinder my performance at work now, struggling to find motivation to fight daily to achieve target for a company who wont fight in the slightest for me.

As Granny might have said "The writing is on the wall".

[bad company]

DannyScene said:

Arrived into work this morning after a fun weekend and my manager has yet again taken me to one side and asked if I'm going to sign the deduction document or are they taking it all in a lump sum, its my choice apparently.

I advised I'd be choosing not to sign either yet again based on the fact nobody can give me a clear cut answer on where it says I'm liable.

I feel like this is really starting to hinder my performance at work now, struggling to find motivation to fight daily to achieve target for a company who wont fight in the slightest for me.

You should advise him that it would be illegal for them to make such a deduction. They already know that and are trying to intimidate you into signing their document.

[essayer]

I would now raise a formal grievance with your employer. This is bullying. Your manager is trying to trick you into signing for a debt you are not responsible for.

You can look on the ACAS website for sample letters.

Ask HR for the procedure, and consider asking a colleague to be your witness in any meetings that will arise.

[bad company]

essayer said:

I would now raise a formal grievance with your employer. This is bullying. Your manager is trying to trick you into signing for a debt you are not responsible for.

You can look on the ACAS website for sample letters.

Ask HR for the procedure, and consider asking a colleague to be your witness in any meetings that will arise.

That would certainly bring matters to a head but potentially destroy the op’s relationship with his manager.

[buymeabar]

Given the fact the op's manager is trying to shaft him I'd suggest that the relationship has already broken down.

Op: fight this hard and brush off your CV.

[MRichards99]

Think I'd be looking for a new job now, though I can appreciate that this might be difficult. Reading this thread over the past week made me realise how lucky some of us are. Try and keep your head down!

[bad company]

buymeabar said:

Given the fact the op's manager is trying to shaft him I'd suggest that the relationship has already broken down.

Op: fight this hard and brush off your CV.

I suspect the pressure is coming from above the op’s manager. There’s always those who think they’re too important and must be obeyed irrespective of the law.

[blueg33]

Op

Have you actually spoken to ACAS or an Employment lawyer? It strikes me that you are not being pro-active enough. You need to state your case clearly and concisely, citing the relevant legislation etc.

You need to do this in writing.

I also think your manager is bullying you and that raises additional legislation that is there to protect you.

Does the company have a whistle blowing policy or a bullying policy?

[Slaav]

I think the OP has had enough advice on what to do on this subject.

OP, have you taken any of the advice given so far? Have you spoken formally to anyone? CAB even? Let alone a lawyer....

Have you emailed or stated in writing that you don't consent to a deduction?

Have you even emailed your boss/Manager and asked on what basis they want to deduct the payment? Ask for EVRYTHING in writing!!!

In fact, (and sorry if this sounds rather harsh...) have you done anything bar posting on this motoring forum? CV? Looked at other jobs? Anything?

[blueg33]

Slaav said:

I think the OP has had enough advice on what to do on this subject.

OP, have you taken any of the advice given so far? Have you spoken formally to anyone? CAB even? Let alone a lawyer....

Have you emailed or stated in writing that you don't consent to a deduction?

Have you even emailed your boss/Manager and asked on what basis they want to deduct the payment? Ask for EVRYTHING in writing!!!

In fact, (and sorry if this sounds rather harsh...) have you done anything bar posting on this motoring forum? CV? Looked at other jobs? Anything?

This was my point. From here it looks like the Op is being too timid.

[bad company]

blueg33 said:

This was my point. From here it looks like the Op is being too timid.

Bear in mind that the firm haven't done much wrong yet. They've intimated that they will make a deduction from his wages but haven't done so. I don't think they would dare to unless the op was daft enough to sign the authority and it doesn't look like he will.

I think the op should make it very clear to his manager that he won't be signing any authority to deduct wages and that if the firm do so he will be suing them. Not nice but that 'should' be an end to the matter without the need for expensive lawyers.

[DannyScene]

blueg33 said:

Slaav said:

I think the OP has had enough advice on what to do on this subject.

OP, have you taken any of the advice given so far? Have you spoken formally to anyone? CAB even? Let alone a lawyer....

Have you emailed or stated in writing that you don't consent to a deduction?

Have you even emailed your boss/Manager and asked on what basis they want to deduct the payment? Ask for EVRYTHING in writing!!!

In fact, (and sorry if this sounds rather harsh...) have you done anything bar posting on this motoring forum? CV? Looked at other jobs? Anything?

This was my point. From here it looks like the Op is being too timid.

Yes I've spoken with acas and taken their advice which was pretty much 'wait and see if they deduct from your wages' then we can start proceedings based on their next move.

Left me feeling less sure of myself than I did before I rung them to be honest as I was almost expecting them to assign someone or to be proactive in helping me rather than 'just roll over and we'll go from there', they were certainly more interested in claiming my money back once it had been taken than preventing it in the first place

[DannyScene]

Slaav said:

I think the OP has had enough advice on what to do on this subject.

OP, have you taken any of the advice given so far? Have you spoken formally to anyone? CAB even? Let alone a lawyer....
Yes - acas, not much help


Have you emailed or stated in writing that you don't consent to a deduction?
Yes - heard nothing back bar another attempt at me signing the document


Have you even emailed your boss/Manager and asked on what basis they want to deduct the payment? Ask for EVRYTHING in writing!!!
Yes - again sod all information coming back from this other than 'its for that card payment'


In fact, (and sorry if this sounds rather harsh...) have you done anything bar posting on this motoring forum? CV? Looked at other jobs? Anything?
Yes - updated CV to include my roll to the present day, applied for a few other jobs but none that I really want more just in case this kicks off

[BrabusMog]

DannyScene said:

blueg33 said:

Slaav said:

I think the OP has had enough advice on what to do on this subject.

OP, have you taken any of the advice given so far? Have you spoken formally to anyone? CAB even? Let alone a lawyer....

Have you emailed or stated in writing that you don't consent to a deduction?

Have you even emailed your boss/Manager and asked on what basis they want to deduct the payment? Ask for EVRYTHING in writing!!!

In fact, (and sorry if this sounds rather harsh...) have you done anything bar posting on this motoring forum? CV? Looked at other jobs? Anything?

This was my point. From here it looks like the Op is being too timid.

Yes I've spoken with acas and taken their advice which was pretty much 'wait and see if they deduct from your wages' then we can start proceedings based on their next move.

Left me feeling less sure of myself than I did before I rung them to be honest as I was almost expecting them to assign someone or to be proactive in helping me rather than 'just roll over and we'll go from there', they were certainly more interested in claiming my money back once it had been taken than preventing it in the first place

Just make sure that you don't cave in and sign anything that comes from your company asking to take the money from you.

I hate to be blunt but you really need to look for a new job ASAP, if they take the money and you go down the ACAS route then you're going to have issues with your current employer until you eventually throw in the towel. If they don't take the money I'd imagine your line manager (and probably his) will really turn the screws. I've seen it happen to someone, it's not nice, but it does happen.

[DannyScene]

blueg33 said:

This was my point. From here it looks like the Op is being too timid.

Just to add to the 'being too timid' post, I don't want to risk making things worse for myself, at the moment the worst thing that could happen is I have to pay £100 odd per month for 3 months and clear the balance, if I start kicking off and thrusting pseudo lawyer information at my manager claiming I'm not paying because of xyz and being vocal I feel I'm leaving myself open to being jobless eventually.

Maybe wrong but I think refusing to sign and waiting for them to prove to me why I have to pay is the sensible choice, I could of course be hugely wide of the mark with that

[essayer]

I think that’s sensible. If you’re being bullied the right thing is to report it. I think you work for a biggish company?, so there should at least be some HR procedures in there somewhere. You’ve worked there long enough to have rights.

[blueg33]

DannyScene said:

blueg33 said:

This was my point. From here it looks like the Op is being too timid.

Just to add to the 'being too timid' post, I don't want to risk making things worse for myself, at the moment the worst thing that could happen is I have to pay £100 odd per month for 3 months and clear the balance, if I start kicking off and thrusting pseudo lawyer information at my manager claiming I'm not paying because of xyz and being vocal I feel I'm leaving myself open to being jobless eventually.

Maybe wrong but I think refusing to sign and waiting for them to prove to me why I have to pay is the sensible choice, I could of course be hugely wide of the mark with that

I understand that, and thought it is what you would say. The problem you have with steering clear of the confrontation is that the pressure builds on you and as you have said it makes it demotivating to come into work etc. If you end up missing targets as a result then you may have given them the ammunition to let you go anyway (if thats the way they are inclined).

We had a bullying issue at work recently, as senior management, we were not aware it was going on until the victim made a formal complaint. We would have liked to have known earlier so we could nip it in the bud. In this instance, the bully, a Director and quite senior, no longer works for us. The victim, a mid level manager is doing a better job than she was under the management of the bully.

In your case, I wonder if senior management actually know what's going on. Its possible tyhat they do and the instruction is coming from them, but maybe they dont, so its worth considering the whilstle blowing/anti bulltying policies. Your employer is a large company so I would expect them to have this stuff in place.

[bad company]

DannyScene said:

Maybe wrong but I think refusing to sign and waiting for them to prove to me why I have to pay is the sensible choice, I could of course be hugely wide of the mark with that

You’re not wrong at all there op. As ACAS advised there’s not much that can be done when no money has actually been deducted. As I said previously I would just be making it very clear to your manager that you’ll not be signing their authority to deduct from your wages.