Fraudulant Card Payment

[DannyScene]

JPJPJP said:

Did you get anywhere with this OP?

I've messaged a company in Leeds that someone posted on here however they haven't come back to me yet so I'll be chasing that up today

My manager called me into his office yesterday to sign a permission form for them to deduct money from my wages which I refused to do much to his disgust

I've also emailed HR for a copy of my contracts and they've advised that I started in march of whatever year and they didn't start using the document storage system until September so they couldn't provide me with one which seems odd

[stuart_83]

pavarotti1980 said:

Knowing a couple of people who work for ECP they seem to confirm the consensus that they are very poor employers

I can second this. Worked for them in their IT dept - left after two months as I couldn't stand it.

The whole company seems ingrained with a vile mentality towards the staff, and seems to genuinely attract a$$$holes.

[pavarotti1980]

stuart_83 said:

I can second this. Worked for them in their IT dept - left after two months as I couldn't stand it.

The whole company seems ingrained with a vile mentality towards the staff, and seems to genuinely attract a$$$holes.

Couple that with poor money and long hours as well. The people i know worked in warehouse so it may be different

[55palfers]

DannyScene said:

I've messaged a company in Leeds that someone posted on here however they haven't come back to me yet so I'll be chasing that up today

My manager called me into his office yesterday to sign a permission form for them to deduct money from my wages which I refused to do much to his disgust

I've also emailed HR for a copy of my contracts and they've advised that I started in march of whatever year and they didn't start using the document storage system until September so they couldn't provide me with one which seems odd

Did your manager try to get you to sign fr the full £450?

I say again, even if they were allowed to make the deduction, it should only be at cost price with no VAT.

Challenge him / her.

[Slaav]

DannyScene said:

I've messaged a company in Leeds that someone posted on here however they haven't come back to me yet so I'll be chasing that up today

My manager called me into his office yesterday to sign a permission form for them to deduct money from my wages which I refused to do much to his disgust

I've also emailed HR for a copy of my contracts and they've advised that I started in march of whatever year and they didn't start using the document storage system until September so they couldn't provide me with one which seems odd

That last bit does seem very odd and a little suspicious! My guess is that there is no mention anywhere of acceptable deductions, hence manager asking to to sign the form?

Look for another job before you need one! It is much easier to play hardball with a decent hand. People cave too easily if not.

Good luck.

[BMWBen]

DannyScene said:

JPJPJP said:

Did you get anywhere with this OP?

I've messaged a company in Leeds that someone posted on here however they haven't come back to me yet so I'll be chasing that up today

My manager called me into his office yesterday to sign a permission form for them to deduct money from my wages which I refused to do much to his disgust

I've also emailed HR for a copy of my contracts and they've advised that I started in march of whatever year and they didn't start using the document storage system until September so they couldn't provide me with one which seems odd

In that case I'd wager that they'll have a great deal of trouble proving that your employment contract makes any references to them being able to deduct your wages for fraudulent transactions, or that you've agreed to be bound by any operational procedures relating to card payments.

[Tankrizzo]

Well done for refusing to sign the permission, that can't have been easy with the pressure on you.

Tell your manager if he can point to the clause in your contract which says you're liable, you'll sign it. Bit difficult when they don't have the contract

[Durzel]

Make sure whatever contract they end up showing you is the one you've signed, rather than one hastily typed up by someone in the HR department which mysteriously has this deductions clause added.

[DannyScene]

Durzel said:

Make sure whatever contract they end up showing you is the one you've signed, rather than one hastily typed up by someone in the HR department which mysteriously has this deductions clause added.

I was thinking that


Unless they show me a contract that I have physically signed I will not be agreeing to any deductions on my wage

[DannyScene]

55palfers said:

Did your manager try to get you to sign fr the full £450?

I say again, even if they were allowed to make the deduction, it should only be at cost price with no VAT.

Challenge him / her.

Yes it was the full amount but split between the next 3 paydays

[Tankrizzo]

No offence Danny but your boss sounds like he's not got a fking clue what he's doing.

[creampuff]

DannyScene said:

I was thinking that


Unless they show me a contract that I have physically signed I will not be agreeing to any deductions on my wage

Mate, you DO NOT need to agree to any deductions at all, regardless of what your contract says or if you eventually get a copy of it. Your employer alone is liable. You are not liable.

It's quite disappointing that there are still large companies who attempt to illegally exploit their staff.

[The Mad Monk]

DannyScene said:

I've also emailed HR for a copy of my contracts and they've advised that I started in march of whatever year and they didn't start using the document storage system until September so they couldn't provide me with one which seems odd

Well, that's not a problem. Simply refer to your own copy of your contract of employment.

You obviously were given a copy which you have kept in a safe place.

Take a copy of your copy, leave the original at home, and take the copy into work and quote that to everyone. If they say, 'show us', you can let them have the second copy because you have the first copy at home.

[DannyScene]

The Mad Monk said:

DannyScene said:

I've also emailed HR for a copy of my contracts and they've advised that I started in march of whatever year and they didn't start using the document storage system until September so they couldn't provide me with one which seems odd

Well, that's not a problem. Simply refer to your own copy of your contract of employment.

You obviously were given a copy which you have kept in a safe place.

Take a copy of your copy, leave the original at home, and take the copy into work and quote that to everyone. If they say, 'show us', you can let them have the second copy because you have the first copy at home.

I never received a copy hence my emailing for one, sorry I thought that was obvious

[55palfers]

DannyScene said:

55palfers said:

Did your manager try to get you to sign fr the full £450?

I say again, even if they were allowed to make the deduction, it should only be at cost price with no VAT.

Challenge him / her.

Yes it was the full amount but split between the next 3 paydays

What an arseole.

[Foliage]

Make a formal complaint to head office, the direction you want to take with the complaint is that of your wanting to protect the company from behaving in an illegal manner and opening itself up to legal action.

I did this when a manager told me he was going to change my job role and that he was reducing my hourly rate in line with the new role. The manager had a meeting with senior HR, had to give me a verbal and written apology, he left the company shortly after.

[DannyScene]

Rather interestingly yesterday I was having back and forth with HR about my contract and receiving a copy, today however the replies have dried up but I know my latest email has been read

Now trying to work out for what reason they would stop replying

[geeks]

Leave! Get a new job and also pass this onto the local press on your way out the door.

I know sounds easy just leave and find a new job and I know (from past experience) it isn't that simple but honestly, why work for a company like that? Just get out would be my 2p!

[The Mad Monk]

DannyScene said:

The Mad Monk said:

DannyScene said:

I've also emailed HR for a copy of my contracts and they've advised that I started in march of whatever year and they didn't start using the document storage system until September so they couldn't provide me with one which seems odd

Well, that's not a problem. Simply refer to your own copy of your contract of employment.

You obviously were given a copy which you have kept in a safe place.

Take a copy of your copy, leave the original at home, and take the copy into work and quote that to everyone. If they say, 'show us', you can let them have the second copy because you have the first copy at home.

I never received a copy hence my emailing for one, sorry I thought that was obvious

Not obvious at all.

On Friday 17th August, you wrote:-

"I'm going to dig out my contract/terms of employment tonight and have a read through"

That suggests you had a copy at home.

But if you didn't, you didn't.

Hey ho.

[creampuff]

> Rather interestingly yesterday I was having back and forth with HR about my contract and receiving a copy, today however the replies have dried up but I know my latest email has been read

Any combination of reasons:
1 They are s
2 They are clueless
3 They just realised their proposed action was unlawful
4 They are trying to figure out some other way to fk you

But I'll repeat: you are not liable. Deductions from your pay for this is unlawful. Dismisssing you for enforcing your statutory rights is unlawful.