speed camera obsession

[RowntreesCabana]

singlecoil said:

It's not my fault if your choice of words is sloppy, but rest assured I'm not taking you to task for that. The problem here is your choice of words led me to believe you hold an attitude and that attitude was what I was questioning.

You see, the thing is that cameras don't watch people or anything else, only people or animals can watch others. Cameras simply convert focused light rays into images that are then recorded or sent to screens where watching can take place. For instance, the person monitoring a bank of CCTV screens might well be watching a person walking through a town square. Because of what you wrote, that is what I thought you meant, so naturally I asked who you thought was doing this watching and pointed out that, as people are not very interesting, they probably wouldn't be.

Jesus Christ!

Edited by RowntreesCabana on Friday 28th September 09:39

[TooMany2cvs]

0000 said:

Actually, it's not a colossal amount of data. It wouldn't even be big data.

Nearly 38m vehicles registered in the UK, over 30m of them cars.
Over 520bn vehicle-kilometres travelled annually in the UK, over 400bn of them cars.

How often do you want to sample this information? Once a km? More often?
How much information do you want to store for each sample point? Location (to what accuracy?) and vehicle ID as a minimum?

[0000]

I don't want to sample it at all!

You wouldn't store location per sample event but bucket the IDs, or at least a reference to them, probably by a site ID rather than a WGS84 or similar.

[singlecoil]

Crackie said:

singlecoil said:

and even if it was it's a piss poor business model as the more people who are caught and have to pay in the less will be in future.

What do you mean?

Let me see if I can simplify it even further-

Imagine a business that relies on random people choosing to buy their produce of services, for the purpose of this analogy let's say it's a shop selling chocolate and cranberry cookies.

Nobody has to buy them but they can choose to if they wish. Some people choose to buy a cookie. The shop gets the money. But they also say you can only come back three more times, and then you can't have any more cookies for a year. And if you have more than one cookie at a time you will be allowed even less visits to the shop.

Now that is not a good business model if the shop wants to make a profit, especially as the cost of providing the cookies is substantial. And even worse, the cookies leave a horrible taste in your mouth, and you tell your friends about that.

[BertBert]

singlecoil said:

Let me see if I can simplify it even further-

Imagine a business that relies on random people choosing to buy their produce of services, for the purpose of this analogy let's say it's a shop selling chocolate and cranberry cookies.

Nobody has to buy them but they can choose to if they wish. Some people choose to buy a cookie. The shop gets the money. But they also say you can only come back three more times, and then you can't have any more cookies for a year. And if you have more than one cookie at a time you will be allowed even less visits to the shop.

Now that is not a good business model if the shop wants to make a profit, especially as the cost of providing the cookies is substantial. And even worse, the cookies leave a horrible taste in your mouth, and you tell your friends about that.

Aha, but the cookie shop is smarter than that as they have found a recipe for white chocolate and cranberry cookies which you can have alongside the normal chocolate and cranberry ones. In my case, as I have a rare disorder which means I am incapable of keeping to the speed limits I have done both courses - the normal SAC and the Motorway Awareness one

[singlecoil]

BertBert said:

singlecoil said:

Let me see if I can simplify it even further-

Imagine a business that relies on random people choosing to buy their produce of services, for the purpose of this analogy let's say it's a shop selling chocolate and cranberry cookies.

Nobody has to buy them but they can choose to if they wish. Some people choose to buy a cookie. The shop gets the money. But they also say you can only come back three more times, and then you can't have any more cookies for a year. And if you have more than one cookie at a time you will be allowed even less visits to the shop.

Now that is not a good business model if the shop wants to make a profit, especially as the cost of providing the cookies is substantial. And even worse, the cookies leave a horrible taste in your mouth, and you tell your friends about that.

Aha, but the cookie shop is smarter than that as they have found a recipe for white chocolate and cranberry cookies which you can have alongside the normal chocolate and cranberry ones. In my case, as I have a rare disorder which means I am incapable of keeping to the speed limits I have done both courses - the normal SAC and the Motorway Awareness one

I realise that there's a smiley at the end of your post but it in no way refutes what I've said, if that was your intention ?

[The Selfish Gene]

SingleC - you definitely have an agenda. Always shutting down and misdirecting threads like this.

[singlecoil]

The Selfish Gene said:

SingleC - you definitely have an agenda. Always shutting down and misdirecting threads like this.

Well, if that's how you feel about it I'll leave you to it. Have fun.

[0000]

[The Selfish Gene]

are you a policeperson?

[Crackie]

singlecoil said:

Let me see if I can simplify it even further-

Imagine a business that relies on random people choosing to buy their produce of services, for the purpose of this analogy let's say it's a shop selling chocolate and cranberry cookies.

Nobody has to buy them but they can choose to if they wish. Some people choose to buy a cookie. The shop gets the money. But they also say you can only come back three more times, and then you can't have any more cookies for a year. And if you have more than one cookie at a time you will be allowed even less visits to the shop.

Now that is not a good business model if the shop wants to make a profit, especially as the cost of providing the cookies is substantial. And even worse, the cookies leave a horrible taste in your mouth, and you tell your friends about that.

Quite a good analogy 3/10...…...I think its done a fantastic job of deflecting from just how dim your previous posts were...…….you've fooled everyone.

Fewer visits to the shop btw, not less visits.

[gothatway]

Crackie said:

Quite a good analogy 3/10...…...I think its done a fantastic job of deflecting from just how dim your previous posts were...…….you've fooled everyone.

Problem is, when SC decided on his/her username he/she misplaced a couple of letters ... he/she meant to type SingleCell

[BertBert]

singlecoil said:

I realise that there's a smiley at the end of your post but it in no way refutes what I've said, if that was your intention ?

It wasn't

[Crackie]

singlecoil said:

The Selfish Gene said:

SingleC - you definitely have an agenda. Always shutting down and misdirecting threads like this.

Well, if that's how you feel about it I'll leave you to it. Have fun.

Credit where credit is due; 9/10 for the flounce.

[one_eighty]

ghe13rte said:

I read them. ETSC are keen on speed enforcement too: https://etsc.eu/how-traffic-law-enforcement-can-co...

Do you read them?

If you find people going a bit fast around you stressful then I suggest that perhaps you take the public transport (especially train). There, problem solved.

[Ken Figenus]

one_eighty said:

ghe13rte said:

I read them. ETSC are keen on speed enforcement too: https://etsc.eu/how-traffic-law-enforcement-can-co...

Do you read them?

If you find people going a bit fast around you stressful then I suggest that perhaps you take the public transport (especially train). There, problem solved.

I just hate this EU style dictat: "Efficiency is also higher if the vehicle owner and not the vehicle driver is held liable, since it is easier and faster to identify the owner than the driver." Punishing and fining anyone is better than no one - even if its actually the wrong person. Divide and conquer for an easier admin life...

No wonder Continental Europe has had more fascists dictators in 50 years than the UK has had in 500. Sometimes we really do do things better...

[ManualOnly]

Graveworm said:

The UK is safer per 100,000 cars, per 100,000 people and the most relevant metric per Billion km. driven. For the last figure only Sweden is slightly safer than us in the world 3.5 vs 3.6 (Germany is 4.9). However what is worrying people is that, recently, we have not been improving at the same rate as other countries.

Statistics about speed cameras in Sweden for 2017:
1600 cameras
40.449.568 speeding offences
11.237.415 speeding offences at least +3,75 mph (+6 km/h) over the limit = camera will take a picture if it´s switched on.
Police can not investigate more than 290.000 cases/year
~65.000 got fined which is ~20% of total drivers who got "flashed".
If you hide your face there is zero risk to get fined Don´t know what these 65.000 was doing but probably deserves a fine.
I have more than 100 photos on my conscience and have never heard from the police. Same with friends.
20 so far this year and counting.

[0000]

ManualOnly said:

Police can not investigate more than 290.000 cases/year

Good old-fashioned proportionality.

[one_eighty]

Ken Figenus said:

I just hate this EU style dictat: "Efficiency is also higher if the vehicle owner and not the vehicle driver is held liable, since it is easier and faster to identify the owner than the driver." Punishing and fining anyone is better than no one - even if its actually the wrong person. Divide and conquer for an easier admin life...

No wonder Continental Europe has had more fascists dictators in 50 years than the UK has had in 500. Sometimes we really do do things better...

Yeah I don't like this procedure. They should do the hard work to prove the accused was driving. Poor sods

[ManualOnly]

0000 said:

Good old-fashioned proportionality.

Last time I heard there was 60 people working at the speed camera unit.
How often is the cameras in the UK switched on? In Sweden the possibility that the camera is switch on is around 2,5%. Always fun when it happens