speed camera obsession

[ghe13rte]

Graveworm said:

Crackie said:

Hardly surprising given Germany's larger population and that they have more ' available' vehicles on their roads; > 61% more.

The UK is safer per 100,000 cars, per 100,000 people and the most relevant metric per Billion km. driven. For the last figure only Sweden is slightly safer than us in the world 3.5 vs 3.6 (Germany is 4.9). However what is worrying people is that, recently, we have not been improving at the same rate as other countries.

It isn’t worrying, it is expected. See below.

The UK is on the red part of the graph while the countries that are improving faster are well behind us in terms of reduction.

[Graveworm]

ghe13rte said:

It isn’t worrying, it is expected. See below.

The UK is on the red part of the graph while the countries that are improving faster are well behind us in terms of reduction.

Of course but that curve is an exponential curve so everyone reduces by half over the same period. The actual numbers are greater but the percentage reduction should be comparable.

[The Selfish Gene]

Graveworm said:

OK as anyone can tell I am not a fan of the current speed limits and over emphasis of their enforcement. But equally I know how fast I am travelling without having to look at the speedo. But even if I didn't then heads up displays and audible warnings (For cars and bikes) exist which amongst other things can tell you if you are exceeding the limit or indeed the average speed where it applies. So I can't accept that this is a real issue for anyone who should be driving.

I think it depends on how close you sail to the wind and where you ride.

I will count tonight or tomorrow morning how many tax cameras I go through on a daily basis - but trust me, when you're jumping between two different bikes, and an additional two different cars - you don't always know if you're doing 35 in a 30 - without a quick glance.

Not without riding under the limit the entire time - which is ridiculous. As the limits are ridiculous

I thought about it this morning - I was filtering at 35mph , and it felt like I was standing still.....................

also HUD for a motorbike? In helmet? Linky - i'm buying it today!

[BertBert]

up_shift said:

that's kind of the point thoug - time looking down is time not looking at the mirrors and blindspots Like I say, only playing devil's advocate, we can argue until the cows come home on how much it actually takes your attention away (again - hence the quest for some hard figures etc) , but if theres a reason for steering wheel controls and conveniences to stop you looking down, you have to wonder if it's risky encouraging the same action more regularly (even if split seconds, I guarantee that on a motorbike or even a car with a speedo in the centre of dash it will cause more eye fatigue and take longer to check than on cars with a HUD) but:

But really, it doesn't distract, it's not a zero sum game. It is so so easy to know how fast you are going in relation to the speed limit and to verify it with the speedo.

And I was thinking last night, driving home from work about the amount of time taken and how often to check your speed your driving instructor told you. I think that conversation was more appropriate for mirror checks. eg https://www.defensivedriving.com/blog/how-often-sh... are you sure it was speed that they were talking about?

Bert

[vonhosen]

The Selfish Gene said:

Graveworm said:

OK as anyone can tell I am not a fan of the current speed limits and over emphasis of their enforcement. But equally I know how fast I am travelling without having to look at the speedo. But even if I didn't then heads up displays and audible warnings (For cars and bikes) exist which amongst other things can tell you if you are exceeding the limit or indeed the average speed where it applies. So I can't accept that this is a real issue for anyone who should be driving.

I think it depends on how close you sail to the wind and where you ride.

I will count tonight or tomorrow morning how many tax cameras I go through on a daily basis - but trust me, when you're jumping between two different bikes, and an additional two different cars - you don't always know if you're doing 35 in a 30 - without a quick glance.

Not without riding under the limit the entire time - which is ridiculous. As the limits are ridiculous

I thought about it this morning - I was filtering at 35mph , and it felt like I was standing still.....................

also HUD for a motorbike? In helmet? Linky - i'm buying it today!

https://eye-lights.com/pages/home-eng

[BertBert]

ghe13rte said:

It isn’t worrying, it is expected. See below.

The UK is on the red part of the graph while the countries that are improving faster are well behind us in terms of reduction.

By the way that is not a graph of that function. The function is exponentially increasing not decreasing.
Bert

[WJNB]

We 'ain't seen nothing.
More & more use the roads because the rail network is crumbling as is other forms of public transport.
We continue to be over-populated.
Satellites will soon monitor EVERY vehicle for speeding, dangerous driving & parking offences. It will be the BIG BROTHER that generations have feared.
If your 60 years+ you will have enjoyed the best of motoring even if it was in humble vehicles.. God help you if you're younger & hope to travel.

[The Selfish Gene]

WJNB said:

We 'ain't seen nothing.
More & more use the roads because the rail network is crumbling as is other forms of public transport.
We continue to be over-populated.
Satellites will soon monitor EVERY vehicle for speeding, dangerous driving & parking offences. It will be the BIG BROTHER that generations have feared.
If your 60 years+ you will have enjoyed the best of motoring even if it was in humble vehicles.. God help you if you're younger & hope to travel.

are you assuming (satellite comment) that every vehicle will be fitted with a tracker?

[The Selfish Gene]

vonhosen said:

https://eye-lights.com/pages/home-eng

thanks Von - I like that a lot..............looking into it (website is crapping out on IE11) - I'll have to do it on my Mac at home

[JNW1]

The Selfish Gene said:

WJNB said:

We 'ain't seen nothing.
More & more use the roads because the rail network is crumbling as is other forms of public transport.
We continue to be over-populated.
Satellites will soon monitor EVERY vehicle for speeding, dangerous driving & parking offences. It will be the BIG BROTHER that generations have feared.
If your 60 years+ you will have enjoyed the best of motoring even if it was in humble vehicles.. God help you if you're younger & hope to travel.

are you assuming (satellite comment) that every vehicle will be fitted with a tracker?

Not sure I'd go quite as far as WJNB in the near future but it's pretty clear which way the wind's blowing and personally I think the assertion we'll be watched more and more by Big Brother is almost certainly correct. Of course there will always be those who say if you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to fear but the danger is you end-up with state control for the sake of it and that's not a desirable place to be IMO....

[The Selfish Gene]

I have felt for awhile that something like this may happen.

I'm sure in the early days there will be ways to block the tracker, remove it etc

I tend to agree that I'm pleased I started driving when I was 17 and now at 43, will push the boundaries as long as I am able but eventually it'll be ruined for everyone - I'm thinking hopefully not in the next 30 years.

[singlecoil]

JNW1 said:

The Selfish Gene said:

WJNB said:

We 'ain't seen nothing.
More & more use the roads because the rail network is crumbling as is other forms of public transport.
We continue to be over-populated.
Satellites will soon monitor EVERY vehicle for speeding, dangerous driving & parking offences. It will be the BIG BROTHER that generations have feared.
If your 60 years+ you will have enjoyed the best of motoring even if it was in humble vehicles.. God help you if you're younger & hope to travel.

are you assuming (satellite comment) that every vehicle will be fitted with a tracker?

Not sure I'd go quite as far as WJNB in the near future but it's pretty clear which way the wind's blowing and personally I think the assertion we'll be watched more and more by Big Brother is almost certainly correct. Of course there will always be those who say if you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to fear but the danger is you end-up with state control for the sake of it and that's not a desirable place to be IMO....

Who do you think is going to be doing all this watching, and why would they want to? Despite what you might think, people really aren't all that interesting.

[The Selfish Gene]

to limit us all to the ridiculously low speed limits with cash penalties when we stray over it even for a second

[Crackie]

Graveworm said:

Crackie said:

Hardly surprising given Germany's larger population and that they have more ' available' vehicles on their roads; > 61% more.

The UK is safer per 100,000 cars, per 100,000 people and the most relevant metric per Billion km. driven. For the last figure only Sweden is slightly safer than us in the world 3.5 vs 3.6 (Germany is 4.9). However what is worrying people is that, recently, we have not been improving at the same rate as other countries.

I was not suggesting that UK wasn't safer than Germany; I was pointing out the number of deaths being 40% higher in Germany isn't relevant in context.

I completely agree that deaths per billion km is the important metric; most of the data in the Wiki link is relatively old though ( 2013), Norway now have the safest roads.

[singlecoil]

The Selfish Gene said:

to limit us all to the ridiculously low speed limits with cash penalties when we stray over it even for a second

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

[JNW1]

singlecoil said:

JNW1 said:

The Selfish Gene said:

WJNB said:

We 'ain't seen nothing.
More & more use the roads because the rail network is crumbling as is other forms of public transport.
We continue to be over-populated.
Satellites will soon monitor EVERY vehicle for speeding, dangerous driving & parking offences. It will be the BIG BROTHER that generations have feared.
If your 60 years+ you will have enjoyed the best of motoring even if it was in humble vehicles.. God help you if you're younger & hope to travel.

are you assuming (satellite comment) that every vehicle will be fitted with a tracker?

Not sure I'd go quite as far as WJNB in the near future but it's pretty clear which way the wind's blowing and personally I think the assertion we'll be watched more and more by Big Brother is almost certainly correct. Of course there will always be those who say if you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to fear but the danger is you end-up with state control for the sake of it and that's not a desirable place to be IMO....

Who do you think is going to be doing all this watching, and why would they want to? Despite what you might think, people really aren't all that interesting.

We've already got a lot more watching of what happens on our roads courtesy of technology than we had (say) 10 years ago and my guess is that will only become more the case in future; you think otherwise?

[Dave Finney]

The Selfish Gene said:

WJNB said:

... Satellites will soon monitor EVERY vehicle ...

are you assuming (satellite comment) that every vehicle will be fitted with a tracker?

Every new vehicle must have a tracker and microphone fitted along with a data link to the authorities. It's called Ecall:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/2...

[singlecoil]

JNW1 said:

singlecoil said:

JNW1 said:

The Selfish Gene said:

WJNB said:

We 'ain't seen nothing.
More & more use the roads because the rail network is crumbling as is other forms of public transport.
We continue to be over-populated.
Satellites will soon monitor EVERY vehicle for speeding, dangerous driving & parking offences. It will be the BIG BROTHER that generations have feared.
If your 60 years+ you will have enjoyed the best of motoring even if it was in humble vehicles.. God help you if you're younger & hope to travel.

are you assuming (satellite comment) that every vehicle will be fitted with a tracker?

Not sure I'd go quite as far as WJNB in the near future but it's pretty clear which way the wind's blowing and personally I think the assertion we'll be watched more and more by Big Brother is almost certainly correct. Of course there will always be those who say if you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to fear but the danger is you end-up with state control for the sake of it and that's not a desirable place to be IMO....

Who do you think is going to be doing all this watching, and why would they want to? Despite what you might think, people really aren't all that interesting.

We've already got a lot more watching of what happens on our roads courtesy of technology than we had (say) 10 years ago and my guess is that will only become more the case in future; you think otherwise?

I'm sure you realise you didn't answer my question.

[The Selfish Gene]

singlecoil said:

The Selfish Gene said:

to limit us all to the ridiculously low speed limits with cash penalties when we stray over it even for a second

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

don't agree SingleC - as they're already doing that with average cameras everywhere they can get away with it (at great cost, and massive road network inconvenience when they are installing them)

I don't see it being an absurb or remotely extreme to envisage going to the next level of GPS tracking to provide the same tax revenue and take away more human rights.

It's already been happening with insurance companies for quite some time.

Average speed cameras are easy enough to get around (particularly on a motorbike) but a GPS system would require a bit more thought (and would easily be do'able for awhile)

the problem would be , anyone NOT COMPLYING WITH ZE RULES would stand out like a sore thumb - and then the army of incar camera s would mop up the rest.

still , freedom was overrated anyway wasn't it.

[singlecoil]

The Selfish Gene said:

singlecoil said:

The Selfish Gene said:

to limit us all to the ridiculously low speed limits with cash penalties when we stray over it even for a second

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

don't agree SingleC - as they're already doing that with average cameras everywhere they can get away with it (at great cost, and massive road network inconvenience when they are installing them)

I don't see it being an absurb or remotely extreme to envisage going to the next level of GPS tracking to provide the same tax revenue and take away more human rights.

It's already been happening with insurance companies for quite some time.

Average speed cameras are easy enough to get around (particularly on a motorbike) but a GPS system would require a bit more thought (and would easily be do'able for awhile)

the problem would be , anyone NOT COMPLYING WITH ZE RULES would stand out like a sore thumb - and then the army of incar camera s would mop up the rest.

still , freedom was overrated anyway wasn't it.

I'm glad you are making your point into a joke because there really isn't any way in which it could be taken seriously.