Speeding question

[johnaachen]

If you pull onto a dual carriageway and there no speed limit signs are you expected to believe that the speed limit is 70mph? If there was a speed limit sign after some distance could you be caught speeding in the interim time before the first 50mph sign as you assumed it was 70mph?

Asking for a friend

[jamei303]

no

[TooMany2cvs]

johnaachen said:

If you pull onto a dual carriageway and there no speed limit signs are you expected to believe that the speed limit is 70mph?

If you're coming off another NSL road, and there's no repeaters on the dual carriageway...

C'mon, let's see where we're talking about...

[johnaachen]

Coming out of Clandon Regis golf club and onto dual carriageway...speed camera van in lay-by about 900m after I joined just after a 50mph sign. I am querying whether I could be caught BEFORE the 50mph sign...
https://goo.gl/maps/hPbKenK7rEA2

[imdeman87]

johnaachen said:

Coming out of Clandon Regis golf club and onto dual carriageway...speed camera van in lay-by about 900m after I joined just after a 50mph sign. I am querying whether I could be caught BEFORE the 50mph sign...
https://goo.gl/maps/hPbKenK7rEA2

It's 50mph (even if leaving the Golf Club).

[johnaachen]

imdeman87 said:

It's 50mph (even if leaving the Golf Club).

how would you know though until you saw the sign? Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

[davek_964]

Did you teleport your car to the golf club car park?

Because if not, there is a 50mph speed limit sign on the dual carriageway literally at the entrance to the golf club. There is zero defence for not knowing it was a 50mph limit.

Edited by davek_964 on Saturday 22 September 14:58

[TooMany2cvs]

You mean the bus stop just as the second lane merges?

<uses google's measuring tool>
That's 550m from the golf club entrance, not 900m - and Streetview shows two 50mph repeaters in that distance. The first one is about 360m from the end of the golf club slip. There's another 50 repeater for traffic on the road just about after the start of the gc slip, so about they're 400m apart. That's well within the maximum allowable distance - 700m, isn't it?

So, basically, you pulled into the golf club, forgot what the limit was while you were there, clogged it out, and... oops.

Looking back to the A25 junction, it's clear joining the A246, and there's repeaters between there and the golf club.

Bang to rights...

[imdeman87]

johnaachen said:

how would you know though until you saw the sign? Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

Because you saw the repeater sign before you entered the club.

[TooMany2cvs]

johnaachen said:

Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

No, it's solely to remind you not to turn right.

[johnaachen]

Thanks for all replies. I don’t think that I was going fast and it’s more of a hypothetical question out of interest...say I hadn’t been driving to the golf club? I wouldn’t have been aware of speed limit then? Or if d stayed overnight at the club/hotel whatever then surely you can’t be expected to remember the limit?

My 900m was just a really rough estimation from google maps...

[Evanivitch]

johnaachen said:

how would you know though until you saw the sign? Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

No, it's not. It's an indication that 2 directions of traffic are seperated by a dividing feature.

A NSL sign and a central divider would indicate it was a 70 mph dual carriageway.

Would you consider it the responsibility of the highways agencies to provide signage at every private entrance to a carriageway or do you perhaps think that responsibility should sit with the institution?

[TooMany2cvs]

johnaachen said:

I don’t think that I was going fast

If you weren't doing more than 50mph, it's not a problem...

johnaachen said:

and it’s more of a hypothetical question out of interest...say I hadn’t been driving to the golf club? I wouldn’t have been aware of speed limit then? Or if d stayed overnight at the club/hotel whatever then surely you can’t be expected to remember the limit?

How far away would you say is reasonable to expect somebody to be able to read a 450mm diameter speed limit reminder sign? Bearing in mind the legal minimum for reading an 80mm tall, 57mm wide number plate character is 20m?

Let's be a bit on the conservative side, and say 60m - just under 3 seconds at 50mph.

So to be doing a nickable speed by the time you can read that first reminder sign after the gate, you must have accelerated to ~60mph in the 300m from the end of the short slip. It's not Santa Pod, is it?

If you have an issue with it, ask the golf club to install a 50 sign by their gate. There's zero legal requirement on the council to install additional signage there.

[johnaachen]

Evanivitch said:

johnaachen said:

how would you know though until you saw the sign? Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

No, it's not. It's an indication that 2 directions of traffic are seperated by a dividing feature.

A NSL sign and a central divider would indicate it was a 70 mph dual carriageway.

Would you consider it the responsibility of the highways agencies to provide signage at every private entrance to a carriageway or do you perhaps think that responsibility should sit with the institution?

That might be considered excessive!

[johnaachen]

TooMany2cvs said:

johnaachen said:

I don’t think that I was going fast

If you weren't doing more than 50mph, it's not a problem...

johnaachen said:

and it’s more of a hypothetical question out of interest...say I hadn’t been driving to the golf club? I wouldn’t have been aware of speed limit then? Or if d stayed overnight at the club/hotel whatever then surely you can’t be expected to remember the limit?

How far away would you say is reasonable to expect somebody to be able to read a 450mm diameter speed limit reminder sign? Bearing in mind the legal minimum for reading an 80mm tall, 57mm wide number plate character is 20m?

Let's be a bit on the conservative side, and say 60m - just under 3 seconds at 50mph.

So to be doing a nickable speed by the time you can read that first reminder sign after the gate, you must have accelerated to ~60mph in the 300m from the end of the short slip. It's not Santa Pod, is it?
It’s definitely not in an X reg RAV4!

If you have an issue with it, ask the golf club to install a 50 sign by their gate. There's zero legal requirement on the council to install additional signage there.

[TooMany2cvs]

johnaachen said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So to be doing a nickable speed by the time you can read that first reminder sign after the gate, you must have accelerated to ~60mph in the 300m from the end of the short slip. It's not Santa Pod, is it?

It’s definitely not in an X reg RAV4!

There y'go. Not an issue. Unless you missed seeing both repeaters before the layby just after the village sign...

[Pica-Pica]

imdeman87 said:

johnaachen said:

how would you know though until you saw the sign? Is the dual carriageway sign not an indication of the speed limit at the exit of the club?

Because you saw the repeater sign before you entered the club.

However, if you are a stranger to the area, and were driven to the club, and you then drove out, you may not know. That should have a speed limit sign at the club exit, or along the route, before you could gain speed.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Saturday 22 September 17:00

[TooMany2cvs]

Pica-Pica said:

That should have a speed limit sign at the club exit

Better talk to the golf club management, then.

Pica-Pica said:

or along the route, before you could gain speed.

Within 360m?

[Pica-Pica]

TooMany2cvs said:

Pica-Pica said:

That should have a speed limit sign at the club exit

Better talk to the golf club management, then.

Pica-Pica said:

or along the route, before you could gain speed.

Within 360m?

Maybe.
As I said, before speed is obtained.

[Cudd Wudd]

O/t, but what are those white boxes painted on the dual carriageway just by the slip road into the golf course? I think there are normally a second set further down the road, but cannot easily navigate the map on this small screen.

Is it to do with the police calculating speed between points? Sorry if this is obvious.