Busted with Class A
Discussion
Drumroll said:
La Liga said:
Drumroll said:
Whilst some states in America have legalised cannabis, there is currently insufficient data to say what affect it has had. Certainly there is still "illegal" cannabis around. There is also some evidence (again not enough actual evidence) that making it legal has encouraged more people to take it up.
Another problem with legalising some drugs is what "strength" would they be?(Too strong and there is a greater risk of death. Not strong enough and people would go to the illegal stuff. or take more of it.) With the "claim culture" we seem to have, how long before your local pharmacist is sued because somebody had a "bad trip" or worse.
Very easy to say, legalise drug taking, but there are many things that would have to be looked at. I do not believe that many have really thought about.
We have much more data than the US around cannabis. Another problem with legalising some drugs is what "strength" would they be?(Too strong and there is a greater risk of death. Not strong enough and people would go to the illegal stuff. or take more of it.) With the "claim culture" we seem to have, how long before your local pharmacist is sued because somebody had a "bad trip" or worse.
Very easy to say, legalise drug taking, but there are many things that would have to be looked at. I do not believe that many have really thought about.
Holland (decriminalised rather than legal IIRC) and Uruguay. We also have Canada joining them: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4580625...
We, unfortunately, went the wrong way. We decided to change it back from a class C to a B...
The other thing that gets muddled up regarding cannabis (more then any other herbal medicine) is that it's use is more "recreational" than medicinal.
One of the big questions that even the Canadians haven't sorted out is drugs impaired driving/operating machinery etc. how alcohol metabolises in the body is by comparison to cannabis easier to understand (note earlier comment about clinical data) So whilst I am comfortable with not driving until at least the morning after if I have had a drink. When would I be OK to drive after having cannabis.
I couple of years ago I had to sack a member of staff who failed a random drugs test at work. The debate and appeal was over what level is acceptable. That would not change if cannabis was legal.
I'm certainly no expert, but I imagine there is some reliable medical data on the effects of cannabis. When I talk about legalising it, I am talking about recreational use.
They may not have figured out the technical issues around limits for driving etc, but that's simply providing a structure around something that already occurs. People already drive / operate machinery having used cannabis.
You may well find your work policy would have to change if the substance were legal. For example in the police the limit for alcohol is 12 (breath) IIRC, but the limit for cannabis is 0. If cannabis were legal then clearly that policy would need to be revised.
In any event, these are small-fry bureaucratic matters (the latter two, not medical data). We're talking about potentially large economic and crime benefits.
La Liga said:
In any event, these are small-fry bureaucratic matters (the latter two, not medical data). We're talking about potentially large economic and crime benefits.
This is the problem with the pro lobby (which I assume you are part of) all you see is the "need" to legalise your chosen drug, Without thinking through all the implications. You can't just make something legal like this, without setting limits. Not just testing for impairment but the quality of the actual product.The economic and crime benefits that you believe are justification, again have not been proven. They are in reality just figures used to support your case.
Do you seriously believe that if cannabis was made legal all the illegal activity surrounding the supply of cannabis would suddenly (or even slowly) disappear?
Having said the above I do believe that cannabis should be a class C drug.
La Liga said:
the effect on organised crime etc.
I wonder what the criminals will turn to if all/some drugs are legalised? They are going to have to make money somehow.....I am very much for controlled legalisation of cannabis, but am not sure about the next substances on the scale, such as methamphetamine, E, etc., let alone allowing people to openly inject heroine in public.....
Many moons ago I smoked pot quite regularly, & have tried coke, magic mushrooms & other substances, so I have some experience of effects & consequences.
I must stress that I do not partake today & haven't for many years!
Drumroll said:
This is the problem with the pro lobby (which I assume you are part of) all you see is the "need" to legalise your chosen drug, Without thinking through all the implications. You can't just make something legal like this, without setting limits. Not just testing for impairment but the quality of the actual product.
Yet other countries / parts of other countries have done just that without disaster / people killing one another on the roads / churning themselves up in machinery on any scale. If Canada and parts of the US can manage it (some in the US since 2012), I'm sure we can too.
Focusing on some minor administrative / bureaucratic aspect, as if it's some fundamental barrier that can't be resolved, is not seeing the wood from the trees.
I don't care for any specific drug. I care for rational and evidence-based policy around which substances are legal and which are prohibited.
Drumroll said:
The economic and crime benefits that you believe are justification, again have not been proven. They are in reality just figures used to support your case.
How do you know it's not been proven? There is a lot of material online looking at the economic aspect of legalisation. Many seem to conclude there's a net benefit - have you read them all? There are also ones which conclude crime has reduced (such as reduced violent crime at states near the Mexican border.
Drumroll said:
Do you seriously believe that if cannabis was made legal all the illegal activity surrounding the supply of cannabis would suddenly (or even slowly) disappear?
Yes, just like it did when prohibition was ended in the US. The demand would change overnight, and the risk / reward for grower, supplier and consumer would also profoundly change.
Biker 1 said:
La Liga said:
the effect on organised crime etc.
I wonder what the criminals will turn to if all/some drugs are legalised? They are going to have to make money somehow.....I am very much for controlled legalisation of cannabis, but am not sure about the next substances on the scale, such as methamphetamine, E, etc., let alone allowing people to openly inject heroine in public.....
Many moons ago I smoked pot quite regularly, & have tried coke, magic mushrooms & other substances, so I have some experience of effects & consequences.
I must stress that I do not partake today & haven't for many years!
We have an irrational classification and grading system. We need to start by looking at that and consider what should and should not be prohibited.
Professor David Nutt is very interesting to listen to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkcO_wJ9yKo. He's the chap who got sacked by the government because he told them what they didn't want to hear about their drugs policy.
DWS said:
OP, IMHO you are a knob! As for the others on here who condone taking this drug you are also Knobs.
If it were up to me anyone obtaining/using Class A drugs should be prosecuted. You are all losers!
I have never taken any Illegal drugs in my life and don't intend to do so, only because I know I would like them.
Yes, I drink (probably too much) but illegal drugs, Never, not even a spliff. There is much more in life to give you a high than Drugs.
Naïve? Probably. Just MHO.
I would say your naïve to the extreme and must live a very, very sheltered life. I would re-think you reasons for calling the OP a 'knob'. Would you class somebody who enjoys a couple of drinks at the weekend an Alcoholic? I think you would be absolutely shocked to your naïve core if you knew how many people partake in 'illegal' drugs of some sort. I know plenty of very pleasant people who take part in some way, you wouldn't believe it if you saw them. One has an MBE from the queen for instance. People who have made significant contributions to the world also do (not fans of all of them) Richard Branson, Steve Jobs and pretty much every band from the 60s, 70s etc. Even Nigella fessed up to having the odd toot!If it were up to me anyone obtaining/using Class A drugs should be prosecuted. You are all losers!
I have never taken any Illegal drugs in my life and don't intend to do so, only because I know I would like them.
Yes, I drink (probably too much) but illegal drugs, Never, not even a spliff. There is much more in life to give you a high than Drugs.
Naïve? Probably. Just MHO.
People who enjoy a couple of drinks aren't alcoholics!
People who take illegal drugs aren't junkies!
Its a big world out there, suggest you open your eyes a little further. Up to the OP what he does with his life, he took risk, didn't pay off, fessed up, The end.
GC8 said:
Cannabis was reclassified, but that was it. The largest seen change for a casual observer was that dirty estate-rats walked around town centres smoking cannabis with a smug demeanor, leaving a sickly smell wherever they went.
I live in suburban north London. On my road, and most of the roads I use around here, one can smell cannabis 365 days a year. There are very few "dirty estate-rats" here; mainly just suburban middle-class families minding their own business.The so-called war on drugs was a lost cause before it even began. It may be news to some, but even lawmakers, law enforcers and law dealers use drugs recreationally sometimes. Some of them even sell drugs - shock horror!
Four Litre said:
DWS said:
OP, IMHO you are a knob! As for the others on here who condone taking this drug you are also Knobs.
If it were up to me anyone obtaining/using Class A drugs should be prosecuted. You are all losers!
I have never taken any Illegal drugs in my life and don't intend to do so, only because I know I would like them.
Yes, I drink (probably too much) but illegal drugs, Never, not even a spliff. There is much more in life to give you a high than Drugs.
Naïve? Probably. Just MHO.
I would say your naïve to the extreme and must live a very, very sheltered life. I would re-think you reasons for calling the OP a 'knob'. Would you class somebody who enjoys a couple of drinks at the weekend an Alcoholic? I think you would be absolutely shocked to your naïve core if you knew how many people partake in 'illegal' drugs of some sort. I know plenty of very pleasant people who take part in some way, you wouldn't believe it if you saw them. One has an MBE from the queen for instance. People who have made significant contributions to the world also do (not fans of all of them) Richard Branson, Steve Jobs and pretty much every band from the 60s, 70s etc. Even Nigella fessed up to having the odd toot!If it were up to me anyone obtaining/using Class A drugs should be prosecuted. You are all losers!
I have never taken any Illegal drugs in my life and don't intend to do so, only because I know I would like them.
Yes, I drink (probably too much) but illegal drugs, Never, not even a spliff. There is much more in life to give you a high than Drugs.
Naïve? Probably. Just MHO.
People who enjoy a couple of drinks aren't alcoholics!
People who take illegal drugs aren't junkies!
Its a big world out there, suggest you open your eyes a little further. Up to the OP what he does with his life, he took risk, didn't pay off, fessed up, The end.
No matter what you think there a lot of horrible people behind the production of class As including murder and exploitation.
I'm not naive but I think your response above is simplistic to the point it's offensive.
Lots of cops think drugs like cannabis should be legalised however many citizens don't want the stinking rubbish in their society for a myriad of reasons.
NGee said:
Why? What is sad about that?
There is another thread running on here at the moment where several posters are getting castigated for having an extra bolt or the wrong spacing on their number plate. Apparently one of the most henious crimes in the world.
However, here we have someone who volutarily wishes to get involved in a disgusting and dangerous industry that causes death and misery for millions across the world, and they are treated as some kind of hero because 'they only had a little bit'.
That 'little' bit' has cost ALL of us money, yes even you C70R.
Why do you think car/house insurance is so high? Because druggies will nick anything for their next fix.
Why do think local/national taxes are so high? Because it costs a lot of money to educate, punish and care for druggies.
Why do you think the roads are full of potholes? Because the money is being spent by the NHS.
Why do you think the NHS is falling to pieces? Because far too many resourses are being spent on looking after druggies.
I do realise that this is a fairly simplistic view and that their are obviously various other reasons why nothing seems to work nowadays and everything costs so much. But in my opinion the illegal drug trade is one of the main reasons and the world would be a better place if illegal drugs were eradicated. Although I also realise this is fantasy land and it isn't going to happen!
So next time you read about, or see, someone with 'just a little bit' of illegal drugs then just remember, unless you are the one driving around in the black BMW with tinted windows, it is costing YOU money. Don't feel sorry for them, just shoot them, solve a lot of problems!
I'm with DWS on this one.
Sad? GobsThere is another thread running on here at the moment where several posters are getting castigated for having an extra bolt or the wrong spacing on their number plate. Apparently one of the most henious crimes in the world.
However, here we have someone who volutarily wishes to get involved in a disgusting and dangerous industry that causes death and misery for millions across the world, and they are treated as some kind of hero because 'they only had a little bit'.
That 'little' bit' has cost ALL of us money, yes even you C70R.
Why do you think car/house insurance is so high? Because druggies will nick anything for their next fix.
Why do think local/national taxes are so high? Because it costs a lot of money to educate, punish and care for druggies.
Why do you think the roads are full of potholes? Because the money is being spent by the NHS.
Why do you think the NHS is falling to pieces? Because far too many resourses are being spent on looking after druggies.
I do realise that this is a fairly simplistic view and that their are obviously various other reasons why nothing seems to work nowadays and everything costs so much. But in my opinion the illegal drug trade is one of the main reasons and the world would be a better place if illegal drugs were eradicated. Although I also realise this is fantasy land and it isn't going to happen!
So next time you read about, or see, someone with 'just a little bit' of illegal drugs then just remember, unless you are the one driving around in the black BMW with tinted windows, it is costing YOU money. Don't feel sorry for them, just shoot them, solve a lot of problems!
I'm with DWS on this one.
te more like. Are you a salad dodger? Married? Is she the same? What about the untold multi billions fat bds cost the NHS? Have a glass of wine or three to unwind? Same again, what about the £££ they cost us all?Might as well include yourself in this, as a car lover, you are doing far more damage than narcotics and alcohol related issues combined..
If you really want the global drug trade vanished, how do you propose to replace the vast profits ours and other governments historically earned directly and indirectly from the drugs trade?
"druggies"? Shoot them all! As long as you have all the fat b
ds, piss heads and car drivers, smokers and the likes of, lined up along side them. Your crushed up bones would fill up some of them pot holes at least. I would think a sizable percentage of the country's workforce would now be deceased, grinding the country to a halt. On the positive side, the banking sector will be no more, all them beak head bond traders etc won't be able to to rinse the rest of us any more.
If you want to lay blame for your wows, then point the appropriate portion in the right direction.. (no ducking)
(if you are trolling, then the other poster was indeed correct, you are sad)
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