Busted with Illegal plate
Discussion
HantsRat said:
Gave a chap a ticket the other month for this. He started stating that everyone does it. In the 10 minutes of checks and filling out the ticket not 1 vehicle passed with an illegal plate and this was on a busy motorway. He soon shut up.
So stopping on the hard shoulder for a number plate offence?Seems a bad calln in terms of the risks of stopping 3ft from a busy motorway.
Also in that 20 minutes you were dealing with this chap, how many uninsured drivers, banned/unlicensed drivers, cars without MOT , middle lane hoggers or tail gaters passed?
Honestly do whatever you do, but in terms of severity of crime it's literally the least dangerous thing you can do in a car to have an "illegal" plate.
There are certainly bigger fish to fry. That's the reason people get annoyed because it harms no-one. And more serious offences get missed because the already stretched force are f
king around dilly dallying over an illegal number plate.Chamon_Lee said:
some absolutely disgusting behavior on here, OP has been abused to no end for (if he is telling the truth) removing a space.
People need to get a grip and get on with their life.
Very strange how upset people are getting over it. Cant say I have ever had the need or desire to close a space on a personal plate but never have a felt the need to abuse someone who has. Bloody hell!
I think it's the fact that he's breaking the law and then is having a whinge about it and seemingly asking people to tell him the type of vans to avoid that is annoying people.People need to get a grip and get on with their life.
Very strange how upset people are getting over it. Cant say I have ever had the need or desire to close a space on a personal plate but never have a felt the need to abuse someone who has. Bloody hell!
It's like someone saying they were caught shoplifting and then asking on a general forum if people can tell them where the cameras are in each store so they don't get caught again.
Might not have been the OP's intention to come over like that and I agree that a lot of the replies are very wide of the mark but I just don't get why it needed to be posted in the first place.
xjay1337 said:
There are certainly bigger fish to fry. That's the reason people get annoyed because it harms no-one. And more serious offences get missed because the already stretched force are fking around dilly dallying over an illegal number plate.
So if you take that to the logical extreme every policeman in the country should be working full time on solving murders as everything is less serious.king around dilly dallying over an illegal number plate.The key word here is illegal.
Kraken said:
So if you take that to the logical extreme every policeman in the country should be working full time on solving murders as everything is less serious.
The key word here is illegal.
Lots of things are illegal.The key word here is illegal.
Many of them get over looked.
I personally think that Middle Lane hogging is significantly more dangerous, widespread and annoying to the general public than an illegal number plate.
Yet this is not tackled often by police, certainly not to the same level as number plate offences.
In the grand scheme of things number plate offences are not in any way dangerous and to have an illegal plate does not increase anyones risk of an accident. It's purely a legislative exercise.
So no, your statement is completely out of kilter with my point / straw man.
Chamon_Lee said:
some absolutely disgusting behavior on here, OP has been abused to no end for (if he is telling the truth) removing a space.
People need to get a grip and get on with their life.
Very strange how upset people are getting over it. Cant say I have ever had the need or desire to close a space on a personal plate but never have a felt the need to abuse someone who has. Bloody hell!
I totally agree. Started reading this thread and am appalled at the attitude and behaviour of the holier than thou brigade. I think flaming has become a sport for a regular bunch on here. What a load of miserable, rude, simple minded old gits!People need to get a grip and get on with their life.
Very strange how upset people are getting over it. Cant say I have ever had the need or desire to close a space on a personal plate but never have a felt the need to abuse someone who has. Bloody hell!
p.s. I have the tiniest of plates on my enduro , but that is so it doesn't slice my legs when I come off it (as you do when green laning). Eat me . :-)
xjay1337 said:
HantsRat said:
Gave a chap a ticket the other month for this. He started stating that everyone does it. In the 10 minutes of checks and filling out the ticket not 1 vehicle passed with an illegal plate and this was on a busy motorway. He soon shut up.
So stopping on the hard shoulder for a number plate offence?Seems a bad calln in terms of the risks of stopping 3ft from a busy motorway.
Also in that 20 minutes you were dealing with this chap, how many uninsured drivers, banned/unlicensed drivers, cars without MOT , middle lane hoggers or tail gaters passed?
Honestly do whatever you do, but in terms of severity of crime it's literally the least dangerous thing you can do in a car to have an "illegal" plate.
There are certainly bigger fish to fry. That's the reason people get annoyed because it harms no-one. And more serious offences get missed because the already stretched force are f
king around dilly dallying over an illegal number plate.Chamon_Lee said:
some absolutely disgusting behavior on here, OP has been abused to no end for (if he is telling the truth) removing a space.
People need to get a grip and get on with their life.
It does amaze me the vitriol that is spouted on here, I guess when you don't have much in your life, you take it out on others. People need to get a grip and get on with their life.
RogerDodger said:
I totally agree. Started reading this thread and am appalled at the attitude and behaviour of the holier than thou brigade. I think flaming has become a sport for a regular bunch on here. What a load of miserable, rude, simple minded old gits!
I suspect it’s a load of young gits. Other than that I agree.xjay1337 said:
Lots of things are illegal.
Many of them get over looked.
I personally think that Middle Lane hogging is significantly more dangerous, widespread and annoying to the general public than an illegal number plate.
Yet this is not tackled often by police, certainly not to the same level as number plate offences.
In the grand scheme of things number plate offences are not in any way dangerous and to have an illegal plate does not increase anyones risk of an accident. It's purely a legislative exercise.
So no, your statement is completely out of kilter with my point / straw man.
The flip side of this is: why do people both altering their number plate? It's illegal and a waste of resources policing it.Many of them get over looked.
I personally think that Middle Lane hogging is significantly more dangerous, widespread and annoying to the general public than an illegal number plate.
Yet this is not tackled often by police, certainly not to the same level as number plate offences.
In the grand scheme of things number plate offences are not in any way dangerous and to have an illegal plate does not increase anyones risk of an accident. It's purely a legislative exercise.
So no, your statement is completely out of kilter with my point / straw man.
Ignoring a prevalent illegality isn't an excuse for committing the offence in the first place tbh.
I'm largely on the same train of thought as XJAY, ChamonLee and Roger Dodger. This place does seem to get holier-than-thou about 'crap plates'. Sure, there are crap plates. I'd personally only take real offense at those on an absolute piss-take, changing the shape of digits, or making them nigh on impossible to decipher. Someone mentioned an example of 'J4YNE' (IIRC) would the spacing cause people to not be able to remember it, or cause ANPR to have a melt down? Of course not, and I think unlikely. Would it 'offend' me? Would it heck.
And I agree with certain posters, the collective lynch mobbing on the OP is not desirable behaviour, and not a great advert for PH.
Hans Rat raises an interesting angle from the side of a law enforcer, but I would welcome a suggestion on how 'wrong' the plate was (and I anticipate 'so it's only a bit illegal' sneers...) IE if some one was taking the absolute piss, or if it was J4 YNE making her plate J4YNE. If the latter then I'd agree, there should be more important battles to be picked, the examples cited of tail-gators and lane hoggers are certainly more pressing IMO.
Confession time, and I've made no secret of it, I have a private plate, and by the letter of the law it's illegal. My 'crime' is making R88 look a little bit more like ROB by the inclusion of a screw-cap to the middle horizontal of the front 8. I've had the plate for 8 odd years, and only ever received one fine for it. At this point I would like to stress that this was issued by a policeman, who IMO, was disgruntled at not being able to pin a no insurance on my ex and I. She was driving third party on her own cars fully comp, ANPR told him (he was sat roadside, presumably ANPR'ing traffic) that a 'male' was insured. He stated 'ANPR won't pick it up'. You can imagine the rest of the conversation in light of the small but important detail that ANPR had told him the cars insurance status!
The only other time I've been tugged in the last 10 years involved me driving at 87mph, on a bullet straight near empty A46 dual near Lincoln, and an unmarked 5 series. I did the crime/ paid the fine and all that, no issue there, but I did ask why he thought my crime warranted his attention more than the transit I'd passed who had no lane discipline and no idea what indicators were. He 'didn't see them'. Again, just an example of which battles should matter.
Flame me for the plate if you wish, but no other copper has felt the need to 'have words' with me about it in the last 8 years, over a likely 150k miles, so it can't be deemed to much of a heinous crime by those in the force.
To answer the OP's question, no I'm not aware of any such automated plate fine device, but that's not to say they don't exist.
To SOME other posters, you are gifted with a powerful tool, your own mind. You don't need to simply follow the PH rhetoric about the 'rules' around 'crap plates'.
Just my thoughts.
And I agree with certain posters, the collective lynch mobbing on the OP is not desirable behaviour, and not a great advert for PH.
Hans Rat raises an interesting angle from the side of a law enforcer, but I would welcome a suggestion on how 'wrong' the plate was (and I anticipate 'so it's only a bit illegal' sneers...) IE if some one was taking the absolute piss, or if it was J4 YNE making her plate J4YNE. If the latter then I'd agree, there should be more important battles to be picked, the examples cited of tail-gators and lane hoggers are certainly more pressing IMO.
Confession time, and I've made no secret of it, I have a private plate, and by the letter of the law it's illegal. My 'crime' is making R88 look a little bit more like ROB by the inclusion of a screw-cap to the middle horizontal of the front 8. I've had the plate for 8 odd years, and only ever received one fine for it. At this point I would like to stress that this was issued by a policeman, who IMO, was disgruntled at not being able to pin a no insurance on my ex and I. She was driving third party on her own cars fully comp, ANPR told him (he was sat roadside, presumably ANPR'ing traffic) that a 'male' was insured. He stated 'ANPR won't pick it up'. You can imagine the rest of the conversation in light of the small but important detail that ANPR had told him the cars insurance status!
The only other time I've been tugged in the last 10 years involved me driving at 87mph, on a bullet straight near empty A46 dual near Lincoln, and an unmarked 5 series. I did the crime/ paid the fine and all that, no issue there, but I did ask why he thought my crime warranted his attention more than the transit I'd passed who had no lane discipline and no idea what indicators were. He 'didn't see them'. Again, just an example of which battles should matter.
Flame me for the plate if you wish, but no other copper has felt the need to 'have words' with me about it in the last 8 years, over a likely 150k miles, so it can't be deemed to much of a heinous crime by those in the force.
To answer the OP's question, no I'm not aware of any such automated plate fine device, but that's not to say they don't exist.
To SOME other posters, you are gifted with a powerful tool, your own mind. You don't need to simply follow the PH rhetoric about the 'rules' around 'crap plates'.
Just my thoughts.
Edited by Fermit and Sarah on Sunday 14th October 11:29
Edited by Fermit and Sarah on Sunday 14th October 11:43
Edited by Fermit and Sarah on Sunday 14th October 11:46
Fermit and Sarah said:
Hans Rat raises an interesting angle from the side of a law enforcer, but I would welcome a suggestion on how 'wrong' the plate was (and I anticipate 'so it's only a bit illegal' sneers...) IE if some one was taking the absolute piss, or if it was J4 YNE making her plate J4YNE. If the latter then I'd agree, there should be more important battles to be picked, the examples cited of tail-gators and lane hoggers are certainly more pressing IMO.
So he shouldn't have pulled the car with the bad plate, because he might have been able to tug a lane hogger/tailgater if he hadn't been busy with the plate offence? "I'm sorry sir, but nobody can attend your burglary because there might be a murder reported while they're dealing with it."We've been around the "I can read it, so what;s the problem?" endlessly. I can read my daughters writing, but I wouldn't recommend that on number plates. The plates and numbering system are designed for maximum readability under poor conditions. With a one-second glimpse of a plate at 50 metres at night in the pissing rain you need all the help you can get.
As for 3/4 size plates, they're only legible at 3/4 of the distance of a standard plate.
silentbrown said:
Fermit and Sarah said:
Hans Rat raises an interesting angle from the side of a law enforcer, but I would welcome a suggestion on how 'wrong' the plate was (and I anticipate 'so it's only a bit illegal' sneers...) IE if some one was taking the absolute piss, or if it was J4 YNE making her plate J4YNE. If the latter then I'd agree, there should be more important battles to be picked, the examples cited of tail-gators and lane hoggers are certainly more pressing IMO.
So he shouldn't have pulled the car with the bad plate, because he might have been able to tug a lane hogger/tailgater if he hadn't been busy with the plate offence? "I'm sorry sir, but nobody can attend your burglary because there might be a murder reported while they're dealing with it."We've been around the "I can read it, so what;s the problem?" endlessly. I can read my daughters writing, but I wouldn't recommend that on number plates. The plates and numbering system are designed for maximum readability under poor conditions. With a one-second glimpse of a plate at 50 metres at night in the pissing rain you need all the help you can get.
As for 3/4 size plates, they're only legible at 3/4 of the distance of a standard plate.
We've all seen driving standards (or lack of them) on the Motorways. I have personally had an admission from a copper (customer) that he wouldn't bother pulling over a lane hogger, as THAT is not a great use of his time. Who would bother you more, Jayne with her vanity plate causing no one any real bother, or Nervous Nelly doing 50mph, needlessly in the middle lane getting in everyones way.
If it was a plate which had been bastardised to within an inch of it's life, causing ANPR and others real issues I'd support HR's actions. If it were J4YNE I'd prefer him to be tackling more pressing issues.
Fermit and Sarah said:
To SOME other posters, you are gifted with a powerful tool, your own mind. You don't need to simply follow the PH rhetoric about the 'rules' around 'crap plates'.
Just my thoughts.
As I fall into the category of "SOME other posters" Of course I have my own mind. That happens to take a different view about illegal plates. That's all, not following some sort of rhetoric, not someone who never breaks the "rules of the road". Nor do I believe those that do have illegal plates, are the source of all the worlds problems and should be put to the torch. Just my thoughts.
Edited by Fermit and Sarah on Sunday 14th October 11:29
It is purely a different viewpoint, to me most of the rhetoric (lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.) is coming from those who "support" the OP
xjay1337 said:
HantsRat said:
Gave a chap a ticket the other month for this. He started stating that everyone does it. In the 10 minutes of checks and filling out the ticket not 1 vehicle passed with an illegal plate and this was on a busy motorway. He soon shut up.
So stopping on the hard shoulder for a number plate offence?Seems a bad calln in terms of the risks of stopping 3ft from a busy motorway.
Also in that 20 minutes you were dealing with this chap, how many uninsured drivers, banned/unlicensed drivers, cars without MOT , middle lane hoggers or tail gaters passed?
Honestly do whatever you do, but in terms of severity of crime it's literally the least dangerous thing you can do in a car to have an "illegal" plate.
There are certainly bigger fish to fry. That's the reason people get annoyed because it harms no-one. And more serious offences get missed because the already stretched force are f
king around dilly dallying over an illegal number plate.As all you ever seem to do in every one of your numerous posts, is winge and complain that nobody agrees with you.
Do you really think that anyone actually cares what your personal and mostly wrong opinion is?
xjay1337 said:
HantsRat said:
Gave a chap a ticket the other month for this. He started stating that everyone does it. In the 10 minutes of checks and filling out the ticket not 1 vehicle passed with an illegal plate and this was on a busy motorway. He soon shut up.
Also in that 20 minutes you were dealing with this chap, how many uninsured drivers, banned/unlicensed drivers, cars without MOT , middle lane hoggers or tail gaters passed?And more serious offences get missed because the already stretched force are f
king around dilly dallying over an illegal number plate.
Drumroll said:
Fermit and Sarah said:
To SOME other posters, you are gifted with a powerful tool, your own mind. You don't need to simply follow the PH rhetoric about the 'rules' around 'crap plates'.
Just my thoughts.
As I fall into the category of "SOME other posters" Of course I have my own mind. That happens to take a different view about illegal plates. That's all, not following some sort of rhetoric, not someone who never breaks the "rules of the road". Nor do I believe those that do have illegal plates, are the source of all the worlds problems and should be put to the torch. Just my thoughts.
Edited by Fermit and Sarah on Sunday 14th October 11:29
It is purely a different viewpoint, to me most of the rhetoric (lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.) is coming from those who "support" the OP
Kuji said:
XJ.
As all you ever seem to do in every one of your numerous posts, is winge and complain that nobody agrees with you.
Do you really think that anyone actually cares what your personal and mostly wrong opinion is?
You obviously care enough to comment.As all you ever seem to do in every one of your numerous posts, is winge and complain that nobody agrees with you.
Do you really think that anyone actually cares what your personal and mostly wrong opinion is?
I am not winging or complaining
If you have a counter point to make I am happy to listen.
If you are only going to attack me personally than any of my points (which I feel are made fairly and in consideration of other peoples viewpoints) then I would suggest you stop.
cj2013 said:
xjay1337 said:
Lots of things are illegal.
Many of them get over looked.
I personally think that Middle Lane hogging is significantly more dangerous, widespread and annoying to the general public than an illegal number plate.
Yet this is not tackled often by police, certainly not to the same level as number plate offences.
In the grand scheme of things number plate offences are not in any way dangerous and to have an illegal plate does not increase anyones risk of an accident. It's purely a legislative exercise.
So no, your statement is completely out of kilter with my point / straw man.
The flip side of this is: why do people both altering their number plate? It's illegal and a waste of resources policing it.Many of them get over looked.
I personally think that Middle Lane hogging is significantly more dangerous, widespread and annoying to the general public than an illegal number plate.
Yet this is not tackled often by police, certainly not to the same level as number plate offences.
In the grand scheme of things number plate offences are not in any way dangerous and to have an illegal plate does not increase anyones risk of an accident. It's purely a legislative exercise.
So no, your statement is completely out of kilter with my point / straw man.
Ignoring a prevalent illegality isn't an excuse for committing the offence in the first place tbh.
I know it's illegal, and I will take the fine if I get one. (I haven't yet in 5 years).
Same reason we ALL speed from time to time and we ALL do illegal things.
It's very easy to sit there and preach , when 99% of the people who are saying how wrong it is, think of the children, blah blah, all do equally illegal things (if not more dangerous) themselves.
I detest hypocrisy.
I believe in Karma and that one day the middle lane hogger who is texting and driving will get their come-uppence, when I have been pulled over to deal with the plates.
Edited by xjay1337 on Sunday 14th October 13:23
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