Busted with Illegal plate
Discussion
vonhosen said:
That was no new law though, it was always necessary to use Sec 3 RTA (because as I say there being no specific legislated offence in relation to lane discipline). Of course that requires sufficient evidence of careless/inconsiderate driving & it also be sufficient to warrant a prosecution.
What it really requires is traffic police and we don’t have anything like enough.xjay1337 said:
Well, it's a bit hard because data for these offences is not openly published.
So I did what any smart person would do , and spent literally 3 minutes on Google.
Regarding number plates:
"But what happens if you’re caught out? Data supplied to us via a Freedom of Information Request from 34 out of England’s 39 police forces shows that an eye-watering 5,395 people were fined or prosecuted for possessing an illegal number plate in 2015"
(So 5,395 people were fined over 12 months.)
and then regarding middle lane hogging:
"However, despite the dangers associated with middle-lane hogging is appears only 135 people have been charged with the offence, according to a Freedom of Information request in September 2016."
(It doesn't stipulate a time frame this 135 were taken over, I would suspect this is ever/since the introduction of the law, I'll say it's over a year as well to be [very] fair)
So based upon these, nearly 4000% more people are prosecuted for an illegal number plate (in some way) than for middle lane hogging.
Now to me I find that wrong?
Middle lane hogging can cause road rage, speeding (to overtake), congestion and accidents.
While going through various statistics on the ONS in the course of finding the information above, I came to the following conclusions from my research
1) Police forces across the country are under a lot of pressure (budget cuts, etc) and their statistics are bad in terms of conviction rates etc.
2) Motoring related offences can bring in a lot of money and are easy and relatively cheap to enforce (IE if you are caught speeding that's at least £100 in the governments back pocket and a "conviction" for the police force).
3) Motorists are rightly or wrongly being given a pretty hard time vs other more serious crimes (IE burglary) .
Like I have said, you take your risk and you pay the price if you are caught.
But no-one can hand on heart say that the motorists is often targeted more than other "criminals".
Oh well, it doth not matter.
There are 37m vehicles on our roads, less than 5500 prosecutions in a year makes it statistically insignificant. There is no war on the motorist, it’s just a tabloid lie, roughly 4% of people are prosecuted for speeding each year despite most of us doing it some of the time and a lot of us doing most of the time. That’s a war we as disobedient motorists are winning. Traffic laws in this country are not really enforced unless you’re stupid enough to drive past a camera in breach of them or unlucky enough to find an unmarked car which is about as unlikely as finding a snow leopard in the wild these days.So I did what any smart person would do , and spent literally 3 minutes on Google.
Regarding number plates:
"But what happens if you’re caught out? Data supplied to us via a Freedom of Information Request from 34 out of England’s 39 police forces shows that an eye-watering 5,395 people were fined or prosecuted for possessing an illegal number plate in 2015"
(So 5,395 people were fined over 12 months.)
and then regarding middle lane hogging:
"However, despite the dangers associated with middle-lane hogging is appears only 135 people have been charged with the offence, according to a Freedom of Information request in September 2016."
(It doesn't stipulate a time frame this 135 were taken over, I would suspect this is ever/since the introduction of the law, I'll say it's over a year as well to be [very] fair)
So based upon these, nearly 4000% more people are prosecuted for an illegal number plate (in some way) than for middle lane hogging.
Now to me I find that wrong?
Middle lane hogging can cause road rage, speeding (to overtake), congestion and accidents.
While going through various statistics on the ONS in the course of finding the information above, I came to the following conclusions from my research
1) Police forces across the country are under a lot of pressure (budget cuts, etc) and their statistics are bad in terms of conviction rates etc.
2) Motoring related offences can bring in a lot of money and are easy and relatively cheap to enforce (IE if you are caught speeding that's at least £100 in the governments back pocket and a "conviction" for the police force).
3) Motorists are rightly or wrongly being given a pretty hard time vs other more serious crimes (IE burglary) .
Like I have said, you take your risk and you pay the price if you are caught.
But no-one can hand on heart say that the motorists is often targeted more than other "criminals".
Oh well, it doth not matter.
bad company said:
vonhosen said:
That was no new law though, it was always necessary to use Sec 3 RTA (because as I say there being no specific legislated offence in relation to lane discipline). Of course that requires sufficient evidence of careless/inconsiderate driving & it also be sufficient to warrant a prosecution.
What it really requires is traffic police and we don’t have anything like enough.Again maybe I am being naive but I think that having an illegal plate is very much a victimless crime but an easy prosecution and it frustrates me that other crimes (motoring or not) don't seem to be punished in the same way.
In the same way I am in full support of speed cameras and vans but not ones that hide underneath a motorway bridge on a sunny summers afternoon.
Again you take your chances and endure your punishment :-)
RogerDodger said:
This place is toxic. You posted one honest thread, with a picture, and in no time at all there are 3 pages of people quoting section 11.x of the road traffic act / MOT / DVS regs, section 2b.
You seem to be confused. Section 11 of the RTA 1988 has f
k all to do with number plates.As for DVS regs section 2b, I have no idea what that might be. Link?
The specific legislation is The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. All I did was quote it.
His yellow cap is a technical breach which all of the testers have chosen to ignore.
It hardly registers on my radar either tbh because it can't be anything other than R88.
Even if it is misread as R08 XXX it doesn't take a genius to figure out that is not a valid VRM.
There are plenty of other more serious issues regarding driving on our roads that need addressing.
Fermit and Sarah said:
Vaud said:
ghe13rte said:
As distance from the plate increases it will start to look more like an O than an 8.
Some ANPR cameras will read it as an 8 some a 0.
The car isn’t registered as R08 it is R88.
In some photography it wil result in multiple searches by police to get the correct vehicle.
If the keeper thinks it better to stroke his manhood while the police make multiple attempts to ID the car great, carry on.
You know it’s wrong and the police are hard-pushed to deal with “real crime” so why not just comply and stop taking the piss so you can drive with a hard-on FFS.
Right - there is no need for that screw to be yellow? The only reason for it not to be yellow is either laziness or a desire to obfuscate the plate.Some ANPR cameras will read it as an 8 some a 0.
The car isn’t registered as R08 it is R88.
In some photography it wil result in multiple searches by police to get the correct vehicle.
If the keeper thinks it better to stroke his manhood while the police make multiple attempts to ID the car great, carry on.
You know it’s wrong and the police are hard-pushed to deal with “real crime” so why not just comply and stop taking the piss so you can drive with a hard-on FFS.
Red Devil said:
You seem to be confused. Section 11 of the RTA 1988 has fk all to do with number plates.
As for DVS regs section 2b, I have no idea what that might be. Link?
The specific legislation is The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. All I did was quote it.
His yellow cap is a technical breach which all of the testers have chosen to ignore.
It hardly registers on my radar either tbh because it can't be anything other than R88.
Even if it is misread as R08 XXX it doesn't take a genius to figure out that is not a valid VRM.
There are plenty of other more serious issues regarding driving on our roads that need addressing.
lol mate ! :-)k all to do with number plates.As for DVS regs section 2b, I have no idea what that might be. Link?
The specific legislation is The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. All I did was quote it.
His yellow cap is a technical breach which all of the testers have chosen to ignore.
It hardly registers on my radar either tbh because it can't be anything other than R88.
Even if it is misread as R08 XXX it doesn't take a genius to figure out that is not a valid VRM.
There are plenty of other more serious issues regarding driving on our roads that need addressing.
I haven't confuse anything. I was making it up - taking the mick, you know. tongue in cheek.
The fact you missed the point really seals the deal :-)
Red Devil said:
RogerDodger said:
This place is toxic. You posted one honest thread, with a picture, and in no time at all there are 3 pages of people quoting section 11.x of the road traffic act / MOT / DVS regs, section 2b.
You seem to be confused. Section 11 of the RTA 1988 has fk all to do with number plates.As for DVS regs section 2b, I have no idea what that might be. Link?
The specific legislation is The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. All I did was quote it.
His yellow cap is a technical breach which all of the testers have chosen to ignore.
It hardly registers on my radar either tbh because it can't be anything other than R88.
Even if it is misread as R08 XXX it doesn't take a genius to figure out that is not a valid VRM.
There are plenty of other more serious issues regarding driving on our roads that need addressing.
Christmassss said:
Illegal plates don't bother me personally.
On my black RX7 I took the front one off the front as it blocked the radiator. On Christmas day driving up to my parents the police pulled me over. I explained the reason at which point they spent 20 mins discussing between themselves where the best place to put it would be whilst not restricting airflow.
To be fair to them the did actually come up with a good idea.
What other crimes do you turn a blind eye to, drink driving, using your mobile phone while driving?On my black RX7 I took the front one off the front as it blocked the radiator. On Christmas day driving up to my parents the police pulled me over. I explained the reason at which point they spent 20 mins discussing between themselves where the best place to put it would be whilst not restricting airflow.
To be fair to them the did actually come up with a good idea.
We have clear number plates of standard sizes, font and spacing for a reason. This is so they can identify vehicles easily and anpr can be used to track vehicles and identify criminals. Removing front plates and having non-compliant in some cases interfers with that. Whilst 99/100 people won't be criminals and don't need to be tracked if the police allow you, for instance, them then more people will do and criminals will use it avoid detection.
Also say your RX7 is stolen and police can't track it because of the lack of front plate?
I am sorry but the plate should not effect the airflow so much to effect performance or vehicle cooling thats the worst excuse I have ever heard. If you want special attention and spend your evenings chatting to police in laybys thats up to you but I don't have time so make sure my vehicles are complaint.
Block airflow on a RX7?
You removed a legal requirement probably because of a internet discussion on performance.
Why do people mess around with numberplates? Private plates, fine with the correct spacing but removing, sticking in the windscreen and spacing font messing about is lowrent.
You removed a legal requirement probably because of a internet discussion on performance.
Why do people mess around with numberplates? Private plates, fine with the correct spacing but removing, sticking in the windscreen and spacing font messing about is lowrent.
RogerDodger said:
Red Devil said:
You seem to be confused. Section 11 of the RTA 1988 has fk all to do with number plates.
As for DVS regs section 2b, I have no idea what that might be. Link?
The specific legislation is The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. All I did was quote it.
His yellow cap is a technical breach which all of the testers have chosen to ignore.
It hardly registers on my radar either tbh because it can't be anything other than R88.
Even if it is misread as R08 XXX it doesn't take a genius to figure out that is not a valid VRM.
There are plenty of other more serious issues regarding driving on our roads that need addressing.
lol mate ! :-)k all to do with number plates.As for DVS regs section 2b, I have no idea what that might be. Link?
The specific legislation is The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. All I did was quote it.
His yellow cap is a technical breach which all of the testers have chosen to ignore.
It hardly registers on my radar either tbh because it can't be anything other than R88.
Even if it is misread as R08 XXX it doesn't take a genius to figure out that is not a valid VRM.
There are plenty of other more serious issues regarding driving on our roads that need addressing.
I haven't confuse anything. I was making it up - taking the mick, you know. tongue in cheek.
RogerDodger said:
The fact you missed the point really seals the deal :-)
Whatever makes you happy, mate. 
surveyor_101 said:
...I don't have time so make sure my vehicles are complaint.
Presumably because your exhaust is too loud. 
PF62 said:
It always surprises me why people have butchered plates as it would seem such an easy 'hit' for the police and gives them the opportunity to stop the car whenever they fancy and see what they can find.
As much as I dislike chavplates, it’s not like the cops need an opportunity to pull you over anyway, they can pull you just for the fun of it. Mandalore said:
In your biased stupor, you left of the pictures of people like:
Shipman, West, Sutcliffe, Brady, etc.
I quoted 2 examples of innocent people who suffered at the hands of British "justice.Shipman, West, Sutcliffe, Brady, etc.
Explain the relevance of Shipmman, West et al to that for me.
Not biased... fact.
10 innocent people
Edited by ArmaghMan on Tuesday 16th October 14:05
832ark said:
PF62 said:
It always surprises me why people have butchered plates as it would seem such an easy 'hit' for the police and gives them the opportunity to stop the car whenever they fancy and see what they can find.
As much as I dislike chavplates, it’s not like the cops need an opportunity to pull you over anyway, they can pull you just for the fun of it. However, people need to consider if drawing attention to yourself is less likely or more likely to induce a stop.
surveyor_101 said:
What other crimes do you turn a blind eye to, drink driving, using your mobile phone while driving?
We have clear number plates of standard sizes, font and spacing for a reason. This is so they can identify vehicles easily and anpr can be used to track vehicles and identify criminals. Removing front plates and having non-compliant in some cases interfers with that. Whilst 99/100 people won't be criminals and don't need to be tracked if the police allow you, for instance, them then more people will do and criminals will use it avoid detection.
Also say your RX7 is stolen and police can't track it because of the lack of front plate?
I am sorry but the plate should not effect the airflow so much to effect performance or vehicle cooling thats the worst excuse I have ever heard. If you want special attention and spend your evenings chatting to police in laybys thats up to you but I don't have time so make sure my vehicles are complaint.
That's correct, a removal of my front number plate on this car, and my other RX7 does indeed mean that i enjoy drink driving. You have found me out. I will be sure to hand my self in at the soonest opportunity.We have clear number plates of standard sizes, font and spacing for a reason. This is so they can identify vehicles easily and anpr can be used to track vehicles and identify criminals. Removing front plates and having non-compliant in some cases interfers with that. Whilst 99/100 people won't be criminals and don't need to be tracked if the police allow you, for instance, them then more people will do and criminals will use it avoid detection.
Also say your RX7 is stolen and police can't track it because of the lack of front plate?
I am sorry but the plate should not effect the airflow so much to effect performance or vehicle cooling thats the worst excuse I have ever heard. If you want special attention and spend your evenings chatting to police in laybys thats up to you but I don't have time so make sure my vehicles are complaint.
If ANPR relied solely on front number plates for criminal purposes then all Motorbikes would be required to have them by law.
It reduced my water temperature by around 12 degrees, so well worth it imo.
Being pulled over by 2 incredibly nice officers once in 12 years of no front plates is 100% worth it. I
Sa Calobra said:
Block airflow on a RX7?
You removed a legal requirement probably because of a internet discussion on performance.
Why do people mess around with numberplates? Private plates, fine with the correct spacing but removing, sticking in the windscreen and spacing font messing about is lowrent.
I removed it to give a proven reduction in water temp -12 degrees. Totally worth it, especially in a rotary.You removed a legal requirement probably because of a internet discussion on performance.
Why do people mess around with numberplates? Private plates, fine with the correct spacing but removing, sticking in the windscreen and spacing font messing about is lowrent.
I thought this was a place for car enthusiasts who enjoy performance cars and getting performance and enjoyment out of their cars.
Feels more like a mixture of the Daily Mail and Mums net in here these days.
Christmassss said:
I removed it to give a proven reduction in water temp -12 degrees. Totally worth it, especially in a rotary.
I thought this was a place for car enthusiasts who enjoy performance cars and getting performance and enjoyment out of their cars.
Feels more like a mixture of the Daily Mail and Mums net in here these days.
It is. I thought this was a place for car enthusiasts who enjoy performance cars and getting performance and enjoyment out of their cars.
Feels more like a mixture of the Daily Mail and Mums net in here these days.
Removing numberplates belongs to the world of barrying cars. On the track fine, if you are trying to be careful with temperature at speed but driving down Basildon high Street or smashing out a hot lap at 70mph on the M6 isn't going to mean jot.
What I find sad is when people buy RX7s and mod them as though it's 'scene. As though some average Joe know better than the cars designer.
Sa Calobra said:
It is.
Removing numberplates belongs to the world of barrying cars. On the track fine, if you are trying to be careful with temperature at speed but driving down Basildon high Street or smashing out a hot lap at 70mph on the M6 isn't going to mean jot.
What I find sad is when people buy RX7s and mod them. As though some average Joe know better than the cars designer.
Not really, car designers are limited by financial constraints, modifying a car takes away those financial constraints and makes them better.Removing numberplates belongs to the world of barrying cars. On the track fine, if you are trying to be careful with temperature at speed but driving down Basildon high Street or smashing out a hot lap at 70mph on the M6 isn't going to mean jot.
What I find sad is when people buy RX7s and mod them. As though some average Joe know better than the cars designer.
For Example:
HSD coilovers = better than factory
Carl Hayward Turbos = Better than factory
V Mount set up = Much better than factory
Power FC = Significantly better than factory ECU
Wider Wheels = more traction
By reducing the water temperature my RX7 engine will last much longer than a standard one and has. Currently 148k miles in my white one.
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